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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:02:15 PM   
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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:04:15 PM   
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I have had .38'S with more recoil, and if they can't handle a .45 they shouln't be in a combat MOS.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:05:16 PM   
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What if it's not an ISIS incident: what if the shooter was sexually repressed to the point where he lashed out at anyone like him?

He is an ISIS supporter, because he told the police that he did this for ISIS. He wanted ISIS to know that, he has done this in their name! And ISIS also took credit for his work.

ISIS been encouraging Muslim lone wolves all over the world, to take action on their own accord. Plot their own damage.

So ISIS may not be in direct contact with this man instructing him what to do, but the goal is, plan their own shit, do the deed, and let ISIS know his with them! Doing this, because he heard their call to action.

I don't know why people are in such denial that this is Islam related. And death penalty for homosexuals are practically instilled in 13 Muslim nations, inclusive of the one the killer heritage is from.

So this guy may specifically choose to target specifically gay people. But to believe this isn't something taught by his religion would be false. 13 WHOLE countries, most of them Arabic ones, who read the original Arabic interpretation and accord their laws according to those interpretation, says Islam is against gay people.

What I want to know is what is liberals bright idea on how to tackle lone wolves attack? I'm guessing, just let them keep doing it, and we shall return the attack with more love and worship of Muslim people. Kill them with kindness. Very noble, but seriously..., Jesus got crucified for that!

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:06:47 PM   
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Lewis and clark had one in 1803 on the voyage of discovery, which was paterened from an austrian design of the 1600's.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:08:20 PM   
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What if it's not an ISIS incident: what if the shooter was sexually repressed to the point where he lashed out at anyone like him?



Let's suppose, just for the moment, that this "what if ...?" is correct. I don't think it is, but let's just go with that.

There's an obsession, in this country, that motive matters. Certainly it's an element of proving a person guilty of a crime in court (or a tool for investigation, obviously). That aside, what his motivation was is unimportant.

For whatever reason, this scumbag went into a night club and killed 49 human beings because he wanted to. That's the long-and-short of it. He made a conscious decision to go into this place and kill as many people as he possibly could.

Now, add in the fact that videos of his father, speaking in support of the Taliban (which became Al Qaeda ... which became ISIS) have surfaced. Then, add in the fact that before he fired his first shot, he made a 9-1-1 call to inform law enforcement what he was about to do (terrorists NEED for people to know who is killing them). Then, add in the "Allah w u akbar" that several people (and the police) were able to hear.

He may not have been a member of ISIS (although, he made a couple of trips to the Middle East), but it certainly appears that was inspired (or emboldened) by ISIS.

What this should be is a wake up call to all of the politically correct ass-lickers that haven't figured out that while we may not be looking for war, war has found us. It is time to stop pussy-footing around, call a spade a spade and wipe these pieces of medieval shit from the face of the earth.

Someone said something very interesting today on one of the talking heads shows. This PPL bint was trying to say that there are other religions whose texts say some pretty harsh things about homosexuality. She's right, of course. In fact, she identified them as "the Abrahamic religions".

She was stopped in her tracks by a guy that said: "The difference is: two of those three religions have stopped throwing homosexuals off buildings and claiming that they're showing the dead homosexuals 'mercy' ".

Fuck Islam and everything it stands for. Pricks!



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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:24:42 PM   
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Now, add in the fact that videos of his father, speaking in support of the Taliban (which became Al Qaeda ... which became ISIS) have surfaced.

What pisses me off, people who support Taliban should stay with Taliban in Afghanistan. WTF did he move to the US for? Stupid governing body that even bans music and dancing. And stones women to death for getting raped. And obviously gays are not spared. WTF would a Taliban supporter move to the US!
While I don't agree with Trump banning all Muslims, I think there gotta be a smarter more targeted ban, like anybody with any records of contact with ISIS should be banned or deported. In my country, anybody who even tweets any support of ISIS or verbally voice their support of ISIS gets arrested. And of course we have been doing very good in preventing people flying to join ISIS in their fight from leaving the country and jailing them for it. But anybody with Taliban ties should be banned at the very least! Taliban is like pure evil!

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:26:12 PM   
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The LA Times is reporting the shooter used gay dating apps and had visited the bar numerous times. Apparently he also beat his (ex)wife for little to no reason but she did not file charges against him.

What if it's not an ISIS incident: what if the shooter was sexually repressed to the point where he lashed out at anyone like him?


A If she had filed charges against him, or if the FBI had believed him when he admitted that he had made the proviolence statements that had led his co-workers to call them this would never have happened.


He wouldn't have been able to legally acquire a firearm but I think it's a huge leap to say it would not have happened. Perhaps he would resort to building a bomb, running over people in a vehicle, or any number of other acts of desperation/terrorism.

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B If that's what it turns out to be that's what it turns out to be.


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C So far all we have to go on is that he said he was a soldier of ISIS and ISIS says he was a soldier of ISIS. But hey lets grasp at any straw to move it away from Islamic terror.


He proclaimed his allegiance to ISIS after/during the attack and ISIS gladly welcomed him into the fold afterwards. I don't think anyone is reporting a direct ISIS connection at this point so it's really all conjecture.

It could be that his father was a sympathizer of sorts and intensely religious. Perhaps he grew up knowing he was gay and tried desperately to hide it; the wife-beating could have been misplaced anger as a classmate said the shooter asked him out years prior and was gay. Disgusted by himself and unable to come to terms with his sexuality he seeks refuge in any group that will take him, perhaps one that would impress his father.

EDIT: To me this doesn't feel like a traditional terrorist attack. Since when do terrorists target homosexuals instead of the populace at large? Knowing how many Americans feel towards gays why would ISIS target them instead of a "better" target, like a mall or a place with women and children? Killing gays isn't going to make Americans at large afraid because they're a somewhat despised minority whose deaths are easily brushed off; the death of 50 homosexuals isn't something that's going to keep Middle America up with fear at night.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:32:37 PM   
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I don't think anyone is reporting a direct ISIS connection at this point so it's really all conjecture.

This is because of your lack of understanding how lone wolf operation works. Our government is soooo aware of this lone wolf thingy, that they gave full explanation in our papers over here, and this is way way way before this happened, and nothing to do with this incident. And gave out public warning to all lone wolves, that they will be tapped, monitor and arrested if there is even any sign of them plotting anything. In my country, they don't have to commit the terrorist act to be considered guilty. They just need to think about commiting it, and prevention is much better than stupid aftermath like this. And I think it's fantastic. Really really go tough on these guys. Poor FBI got too much red tape. I believe in the same situation, just for him saying any inflammatory remarks, would have already got him behind bars in my country. But FBI needs more to get him, so he was let off.

But lone wolves do not have direct contact with ISIS. They heard and read ISIS call to Jihad. They answered it by operating on their own. Their success is completely reliant on not having any evidence of contact with ISIS. They will only let ISIS know this is in response to their call to Jihad WHEN they are gonna do it the act, and usually they already know it's a suicide mission. So everything consistent. This man informing the police that this is for ISIS, before he goes in and does his thing, knowing that his not coming out alive. That's his way of informing ISIS that his with them! Acting on his own. Doing their work!

This is the threat of lone wolves, because they will be ordinary people, living ordinary lives. I mean, this dude got a toddler son. Same thing like the other California Muslim couple. They got super young children they should be responsible for, yet they chose to sacrifice their life over their stupid religion. And most people see a whole family nucleus and would think loving father which he probably is, and won't think terrorist. This is what lone wolves do.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:37:36 PM   
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If he was firing full auto his firearm was illegal, any semi auto fires fast, but he wouldn't be aiming. And yes there is no reason to ban them from the citizenry. Do you realize that this is 100 year old technology?
The Constitution is over 225 years old. The second amendment was written with muskets in mind. You have to be completely incompetent to think that the founding fathers intended the citizens to arm themselves with AR-15's.




By that argument, television, movies, the Internet, and radio aren't protected by the first amendment.


I disagree. The intent behind protecting free speech must have been to safeguard the free exchange of ideas and information, not sound waves and scribbles on paper per se. Technology may since have introduced new mediums of expression, but that hasn't changed the anything essential about how those ideas and information are expressed and used (through whatever medium). Since the nature of the speech hasn't changed with the new technology, it's still protected.

By contrast, technology has fundamentally changed the nature of "arms" and how they are used. Even if you choose to ignore the militia bit.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:46:23 PM   
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I don't think anyone is reporting a direct ISIS connection at this point so it's really all conjecture.


This is because of your lack of understanding how lone wolf operation works.


I'm pretty sure I understand how lone wolf operations work but thanks for your continued condescension.

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Our government is soooo aware of this lone wolf thingy, that they gave full explanation in our papers over here, and this is way way way before this happened, and nothing to do with this incident. And gave out public warning to all lone wolves, that they will be tapped, monitor and arrested if there is even any sign of them plotting anything. In my country, they don't have to commit the terrorist act to be considered guilty.


Your country also lacks the rights this country has, mostly because, again, you live in a totalitarian shithole. I believe I've mentioned this previously.

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They just need to think about commiting it, and prevention is much better than stupid aftermath like this.


What you're describing is thoughtcrime. There are numerous books about it, one called Nineteen Eighty Four. Assuming it's not banned by your dictatorship you should read it.

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And I think it's fantastic. Really really go tough on these guys. Poor FBI got too much red tape. I believe in the same situation, just for him saying any inflammatory remarks, would have already got him behind bars in my country. But FBI needs more to get him, so he was let off.


Say all you want about "it doesn't happen here" but I'd gladly trade the possibility of me being killed for the rights I, and millions of other Americans, enjoy.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:52:53 PM   
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I have had .38'S with more recoil, and if they can't handle a .45 they shouln't be in a combat MOS.


You have never held a combat mos yet you feel qualified to dictate who may.



It stands to reason that if you can't handle the tools you can't do the job.
I was a NG MP in 1981. Most of my life outside the military was spent with cops.
The fact remains that I fired the P220 Sig Sauers the Sheriff's department used and I have had .38 specials with more recoil. If you can't handle one you can't handle the other. Not only that but the dept had gone over to the .45s because the city police had just bounced 30+ 9mms off of someones windshield, and it was just before the LA shoot out were the 9s wouldn't do anything against the body armor. If you can only use a firearm that won't do you any good you shouldn't be out there, and you shouldn't get the firearms that will do the job taken away from the people who can use them.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:55:03 PM   
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I have had .38'S with more recoil, and if they can't handle a .45 they shouln't be in a combat MOS.


You have never held a combat mos yet you feel qualified to dictate who may.



And you have never had a rational thought but feel qualified to dictate who does.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:55:18 PM   
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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 10:56:03 PM   
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Thank you for letting us know that you're okay.

As dcnovice posted: warmest sympathies to you.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 11:00:02 PM   
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Your country also lacks the rights this country has, mostly because, again, you live in a totalitarian shithole. I believe I've mentioned this previously.

And we don't have 50 dead gay people. At least our people are protected from being dead against their will! We recently have a gay event called pink dot, and it feels good to know that gay people can gather together and have fun together without getting killed.
Real Freedom to me is not getting killed and able to live to pursue your hopes and dreams. Which those 50 dead gay people, most are so young, cannot do now.
I feel good knowing that many similar guys like Mateen are put behind bars in my country before he could commit their terrorist acts. I like our preventive action better. We are rounding them all up and jailing them before they can kill.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 11:01:30 PM   
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Of course he didn't anounce he was following ISIS before the attack, that would have complecated things.
Of course ISIS didn't claim him before the attack for the same reason.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 11:05:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		He wouldn't have been able to legally acquire a firearm but I think it's a huge leap to say it would not have happened.

Earlier I pointed out the night club in NJ where dozens, maybe as many as 100
were killed simply by puting a chain on one door and and setting off gasoline at the other.

If the FBI had done thier job he might well have been in jail.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 11:08:44 PM   
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B If that's what it turns out to be that's what it turns out to be.



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I would think this is self explainitory.
How ever even if we find that he was sexually repressed it doesn't mean that he wasn't a Jihadist. It is still terrorism.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 11:09:53 PM   
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If the FBI had done thier job he might well have been in jail.

FBI can't do their job because of red tape. Political Correctness. I believe with current laws, there is nothing they can do better. I am sure they followed what is permitted, and in their investigation, they don't have enough to detain him permanently. Some things are double edge swords. This is one of them.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/13/2016 11:11:52 PM   
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Your country also lacks the rights this country has, mostly because, again, you live in a totalitarian shithole. I believe I've mentioned this previously.

And we don't have 50 dead gay people. At least our people are protected from being dead against their will! We recently have a gay event called pink dot, and it feels good to know that gay people can gather together and have fun together without getting killed.
Real Freedom to me is not getting killed and able to live to pursue your hopes and dreams. Which those 50 dead gay people, most are so young, cannot do now.
I feel good knowing that many similar guys like Mateen are put behind bars in my country before he could commit their terrorist acts. I like our preventive action better.



Would your press be able to report if your government disallowed such freedom of assembly? From what I'm reading, the notion of being able to freely assemble is relatively new in your "partly free" utopia.

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The internet is widely accessible, but authorities monitor online material and block some content through directives to licensed service providers. Singaporeans’ increasing use of social-networking websites has sparked interest in social activism and opposition parties, contributing to opposition electoral gains. The Media Development Authority requires news websites to apply for individual licenses that are subject to annual renewal, post a financial bond with the regulator, and respond to removal orders within 24 hours. Major websites are prohibited from “advocating homosexuality or lesbianism.”
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The LGBT community in Singapore faces significant legal obstacles. Section 377A of the penal code criminalizes consensual sex between adult men, which is punishable by up to two years in prison. The law is not actively enforced, but the Court of Appeals upheld its constitutionality in October.
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Are you sure you want to proclaim the freedoms homosexuals enjoy (illegally, apparently)?

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