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Greta75 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 12:55:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You do not know the logistics of the situation. It may not have been possible at all, and only one armed among all those people ? Even if you can get behind the shooter if he is adept at this kind of shit he is watching their eyes and those will tell him your position and you are dead. Why do you think I do not rob banks n shit ? this shit is not easy. T^T My imagination is, everybody will be in chaos, 350 in a crowded club, all trapped inside, they are too busy running and shrieking everywhere to give him a reaction if they saw someone else with a gun behind him. I mean most will be too busy frantically trying to find a place to hide, to even notice.

Termyn8or -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 12:56:18 AM)
If there was an armed guard at the door that could have happened. T^T

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 12:57:43 AM)
I bow to your superior tactical approach to this. Let's wait and see if the cop lived through it and what HIS version of events is though shall we ? I admit to not being anybody's hero and yes, even though I was trained in the military ( and a damn good regiment too), there is no way I am going to try and sneak up behind some crazy with a quick-firer and a heavy-duty hand-gun with just a pistol of some sort in my hand. I think all I might succeed in doing is annoying him and heavens !!! who KNOWS where that might lead ??

BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 12:58:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 you have never been in a combat situation, have you greta ? Sneaking up behind an armed and determined enemy went out even in Hollywood movies back in the 50's or 60's I think.........about the time Alan Ladd and Audie Murphy died. It really doesn't work unless you have been intensively trained in that form of combat Obviously I haven't. But if his too busy trying to kill as many people infront of him as possible, and so focus on that. Why would sneaking from behind catch his attention at all? That dude is probably not combat trained too. The policemen would have more training. In that situation you do what you can.

Greta75 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 1:01:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 I bow to your superior tactical approach to this. Let's wait and see if the cop lived through it and what HIS version of events is though shall we ? I admit to not being anybody's hero and yes, even though I was trained in the military ( and a damn good regiment too), there is no way I am going to try and sneak up behind some crazy with a quick-firer and a heavy-duty hand-gun with just a pistol of some sort in my hand. I think all I might succeed in doing is annoying him and heavens !!! who KNOWS where that might lead ?? How about head shot from a distance of hiding place?

BamaD -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 1:12:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or How come not one patron, bouncer, cashier or other employee had a gun to stop this MF ? Let me ask this, how many times has an Orlando police station been shot up or robbed ? Anyone care to field that one ? Could it be that there are people (cops) with guns there and most know how to use them ? Are liberals going to come in here and say police stations should be gun free zones ? We are talking a bar here. So what it is a Gay bar, they make money. And if they had over a hundred people there on a Sunday they are making good fucking money. Banks, pawn shops, jewelry stores etc., they will guard their money with weapons. However Gays tend to be more on the liberal side because they believe the government will protect them. Well the government didn't protect about 50 of them the other day... I cannot imagine running a business that deals in alot of cash without someone armed there in case shit happens. You gotta be fucking kidding me. If not a target for radical Muslims or other crazoids they would be a target for robbers. I think the cashiers should be armed and trained, give them the money and when they are leaving shoot them in the back of the fucking head. And then take the money back so the cash drawer balances. When someone decides to be a real criminal, and I am not talking about selling a bag of weed or cheating on their taxes, they have crossed a line and defined themself as an animal. They need to be put down like a rabid dog. And we do not need any assholes trying to take away our tools to do that job. You want the animals to live, take them into your home, let them around your kids, because you know the death penalty is so terrible they will be let out of that terrible prison where the poor babies suffer so much. Part and parcel of liberalism, still want it ? In Cleveland there were fagbashers. They went in groups around Gay bars and beat up Gays just because they were Gay. You see, this did not make the news but I was here and actually knew a few. Know what happened ? The Gays got tough. Started working out and taking martial arts classes and it became quite difficult to beat them up. Well if you got a Gay bar and someone comes and shoots a bunch of your customers, you gotta be pretty fucking dense not to realize how useful guns are. They got signs in bars in Ohio to the effect that if you are carrying a gun in this liquor establishment you are guilty of Ohio code this or that but I am pretty sure that does not apply to employees, and in fact if you are confronted by a police officer who finds out you have a CCW he is not even allowed to ask you if you are packing. However the owner of a public business can make it illegal to pack in his business, which is the stupidest thing I ever heard. If the sign is visible on the door they can have you arrested. But some people are like that. A bar with over 100 people in it ? I would have an armed guard at the door. This is a fucking gold mine, and a candy store. Pat down all the people coming in for weapons. The armed guard is trained in assault tactics and should be able to effectively kill anyone trying to bring weapons in who is not an employee. And if they shoot, they only kill 1 person, not fucking 50. T^T If you have an armed employee how about putting him in something akin to a projection both. That way an attacker doesn't just walk up and start things by shooting him while he is checking out the person ahead of the attacker. Light round like a .223 and a night scope since the bar would be dark. Just a thought.

MasterBrentC -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 1:28:12 AM)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, "When there is only SECONDS between life and death, the police are MINUTES away."

Lucylastic -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 2:03:23 AM)
TO JVoV and all the people who dont give a shit about the gun stroking thread that this has become, I would like to send my love and support to every single victim, and the family and friends of every victims, who only a couple of people have mentioned. in this 18 page thread. Here is CNNs Anderson Cooper with a list and brief words about each one. http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/06/14/anderson-cooper-reads-orlando-victims-names-ac.cnn

Dvr22999874 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 2:11:18 AM)
A head shot from a distance ? Now that's a good idea except for the fact that the place was like the crowd scene from Ben Hur and they would have been milling about like mad rabbits. If he took that head shot and missed, who would have collected it ?And remember, there is just a slim chance that the gunman just might not have stood still to wait for that shot. I like Bamas idea of a bulletproof cubicle by the door and after this shit-fight, I can see large crowd venues might just pick up on the idea.

Greta75 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 2:36:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 A head shot from a distance ? Now that's a good idea except for the fact that the place was like the crowd scene from Ben Hur and they would have been milling about like mad rabbits. If he took that head shot and missed, who would have collected it ?And remember, there is just a slim chance that the gunman just might not have stood still to wait for that shot. I like Bamas idea of a bulletproof cubicle by the door and after this shit-fight, I can see large crowd venues might just pick up on the idea. Well, from what I understand about swat teams. At least there was an incident recounted about the terrorist hijack of an Singapore Airline planes and from the recounting of the survival air steward. He said when the team came in, they just started spraying bullets everywhere, not caring if they were hitting civilians or the terrorist. To be fair, in that case, they had about 9 or 10 terrorist in that plane? Also in that incident, they questioned all the terrorist alive, but shot them all dead later. The steward said in the news, was reported the terrorist all died in cross fire, but that was not the case, they got them all alive and were interrogating them. I saw some online talk about wondering how many of the casualties are caused by the swat team. So I guess even when the professionals step in, to get the guy, they need to risk some casualties for a fast closure.

pleasnpetrichor -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 2:45:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer I think the thing to do, recalling again your opening comment that you know little about political science, is stop being lazy and go away and learn something about it, pleasenpetrichor. It's not my job to teach you the basics of the subject, after all. Also, I'm especially reluctant to try to teach anyone such as Awareness or you, yourself - who, I suspect, would be extremely resistant at learning what I have to teach anyway. Peon, I owe you an apology: I'm sorry, and you're absolutely right. I know nothing about it, and my time would be better spent listening instead of mouthing off to those who know much better than myself, and educating myself instead of expecting others to spoon feed me information. It must be tiring having to repeat yourself over and over to people who were never listening in the first place. What's more, I can have no business trying to teach anyone how to be logical, internally consistent, or to think for themselves. Again, and sincerely: I'm sorry.

PeonForHer -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 3:37:47 AM)
No apology required but thank you, pleasnpetrichor. :)

WhoreMods -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 4:32:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods He didn't use a bomb. It's conceivable that he might have resorted to a bomb if he hadn't been able to get hold of couple of firearms. However, he didn't need to be able to make a bomb. So, you acknowledge that he could have used a bomb, right? I acknowledge that he didn't use a bomb, and that he didn't have to because it was so easy for him to get hold of an AR-15 and an automatic pistol. [img]http://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/TMW2013-01-30colorsmall.jpg[/img]

Greta75 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 4:47:55 AM)
Do left leaning Americans agree that US should ban clerics such as THIS ONE from preaching in US Mosques or not? Because my country bans them! Imam who called for execution of gays preached at Orlando-area mosque weeks before massacre

Lucylastic -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 4:58:01 AM)
do you understand, freedom of speech and freedom of religion? what do you think of this guys speech? In a video message posted yesterday, virulently anti-LGBT pastor Steven Anderson reacted to the terrorist attack at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, by happily announcing that “there’s fifty less pedophiles in this world.” “These homosexuals are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles, that’s who was a victim here, a bunch of disgusting homosexuals at a gay bar,” he said. He later added: “The good news is that at least fifty of these pedophiles are not going to be harming children anymore. The bad news is that a lot of the homos in the bar are still alive, so they’re going to continue to molest children and recruit people into their filthy homosexual lifestyle.” Anderson explained that he didn’t approve of the shooter’s actions… but only because he thinks the victims should have been put to death by the government. “These people all should have been killed anyway, but they should have been killed through the proper channels, as in, they should’ve been executed by a righteous government,” he said. Anderson said that gun owners and pastors are the real victims of the tragedy, predicting that the government will use the massacre as an opportunity to confiscate firearms, demonize Christians and outlaw hateful speech. At the end of the day, Anderson said, the victims were on their way to an early death from AIDS and syphilis anyway.

Staleek -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 5:00:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Do left leaning Americans agree that US should ban clerics such as THIS ONE from preaching in US Mosques or not? Because my country bans them! Imam who called for execution of gays preached at Orlando-area mosque weeks before massacre Fox Bullshit. The fact you link that absolute crap says far more about your gullibility than it does about anything else. The shooter in this case wasn't a devout Muslim. He was a heavy drinker, among other things, and had serious anger issues. He was an accident waiting to happen. Taking away his right to bear arms, and then removing his weapons, would have prevented this from happening.

Greta75 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 5:06:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Do left leaning Americans agree that US should ban clerics such as THIS ONE from preaching in US Mosques or not? Because my country bans them! Imam who called for execution of gays preached at Orlando-area mosque weeks before massacre Fox Bullshit. The fact you link that absolute crap says far more about your gullibility than it does about anything else. The news is from Fox, but the source is from Associated Press. There is nothing inaccurate about that news. (PS, okay it's not from AP, I got it mix up with another news I was reading, but there is a clear video evidence of what the Imam preached, Fox News is not making this shit up. And what is an American University doing inviting a guest who is making hate speeches towards gay people? Can skip to 50:00 onwards to listen to him talk about how sinful homosexuality is and how it has punishment. And death penalty rant starts going at 56:00. Of course his disclaimer is, his just talking about Islamic laws for homosexuality. I can't believe the University of Michigan subject their students to this shit talker!) It's just so typical of left to be in completely in denial that is a religious problem. How can he not be a staunch Muslim when he religiously attends Mosque?

WhoreMods -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 5:08:48 AM)
How can he be a staunch moslem when he drinks?

Staleek -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 5:22:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 How can he not be a staunch Muslim when he religiously attends Mosque? So going to a Mosque is all that is required to be considered a Muslim? I suppose that even applies to the caretakers? يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ قُلْ فِيهِمَا إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَافِعُ لِلنَّاسِ وَإِثْمُهُمَآ أَكْبَرُ مِن نَّفْعِهِمَا وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ مَاذَا يُنفِقُونَ قُلِ الْعَفْوَ كَذَلِكَ يُبيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمُ الآيَاتِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَفَكَّرُونَ Want a translation? "They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder" Want a further translation: Don't fucking drink if you're a Muslim! How often do you see them drinking really? I've got 2 friends who are Muslim, only one of whom actually bothers with Ramadan. Neither will touch booze (although they are regulars in the pub), and neither will play pool if we put a few coppers down to just make it more interesting. Anecdotal evidence, I know, virtually meaningless. But still, here: http://heavy.com/news/2015/06/isis-islamic-state-hisbah-beheading-black-market-uncensored-youtube-video/ Yes, an alcohol dealer in the area controlled by ISIS was beheaded. Greta, you are thick.

bounty44 -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/14/2016 5:28:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Do left leaning Americans agree that US should ban clerics such as THIS ONE from preaching in US Mosques or not? Because my country bans them! Imam who called for execution of gays preached at Orlando-area mosque weeks before massacre Fox Bullshit. The fact you link that absolute crap says far more about your gullibility than it does about anything else. The shooter in this case wasn't a devout Muslim. He was a heavy drinker, among other things, and had serious anger issues. He was an accident waiting to happen. Taking away his right to bear arms, and then removing his weapons, would have prevented this from happening. oh no comrades, fox news! the fact that you disparage and disregard information simply based on its source says far more about your lack of critical thinking skills and your collectivist entrenchment than it does about anything else. maybe next time try dealing with the content.

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