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I'm dubious that would make him a staunch moslem either, whatever hilarious bullshit Greta believes about moslem law only applying to moslems in moslem countries where shariah law is practiced.

He also religiously attends the Mosque together with his son.
So you deny his Muslim when he religiously attends mosque, but insist his a closet homosexual because he attended gay club?
It doesn't matter whether his closeted or not. It makes no difference that his Islamic beliefs made him kill gay people, despite his own closeted tendencies, thanks to his religion, his forced to kill by his religion or pursuaded to kill by his religion, people of his own kind. Okay, I'm totally fine with him being gay as well. So gays are killing gays. Great! Now Muslim gays also wanna kill fellow gay people.

Nobody is denying the guy is a Muslim.

And, as far as I can see, nobody is really saying that being a Muslim hasn't influenced who he was and what he did in some way.

What I am saying (and I think Mr Whoremods is as well) is that trying to tie this in with Islam (yet again by you) is beyond foolish. He wasn't a devout Muslim, he wasn't there doing Allahs bidding. He was there, as is pretty obvious at this point, because seeing two men kissing turned him into a rage monster, and he had an explosively violent temper without any self control.

That's the same as Dylan Roof who saw black people, or Adam Lanza when he saw other kids, or any one of these psycho shooters.

Addendum: You can't remove psychopaths from society at this point. Why people turn out like this is poorly understood. The only way to prevent this is to not have an arsenal free-for-all.

It seems to me that if he calls 911 in the middle, of his killing spree and gives his allegiance to ISIS and shouts "Ala who akbar" on the 911 recording, it's damn near impossible to dismiss this as anything else other than a terrorist attack.

Although it's fun watching you liberals twist yourselves into pretzels trying.

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Comey suggested Monday that Mateen may have not understood the distinctions among the groups. Relatives have given mixed reports about the level of Mateen's religiosity, with some suggesting he preferred working out to studying religion. He attended the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce, Fla., though he is said to have rarely spoken. His Afghan father has filmed videos that appeared to offer support for the Taliban, a fundamentalist movement that also opposes the Islamic State, though his messages also were sometimes incoherent.

Mateen certainly wouldn't be the first terrorist to cite Islam as justification for his actions while apparently being somewhat confused about the religion. In one especially notorious case, two British men who were found guilty of terrorism charges in 2014 ordered "Islam for Dummies," "The Koran for Dummies" and "Arabic for Dummies" from Amazon before they left for Syria.

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"Islam for Dummies," "The Koran for Dummies" and "Arabic for Dummies" from Amazon before they left for Syria.

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I have a Constitutional right to own a gun.

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Whether it fires that fast might change. And, I can assure you that I, personally, have no current need, nor do I see my having a future need, for a gun that I can fire that fast.

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How many people in the US have guns that fire that fast?

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How many people in the US that have guns that fire that fast went on a shooting rampage? It's not having a gun that causes people to kill.

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The First Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on freedom of speech or freedom of the press. In this particular instance, these are political rights which have nothing to do with the advance of technology.

The Second Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on the right to bear arms. this is a political right which has nothing to do with the advance of technology.

The right to bear arms is not a political right, it's a collective right of the citizenry for defense of the nation through "well regulated militias". It has absolutely zero to do with personal rights to keep arms in your home. This is why it speaks of "the people" collectively.

Mind you, I have no objection to you and your fellow gun nuts arming yourselves with muskets. However I do wonder at what kind of people are so psychologically attached to weapons that they simply do not care how many of their fellow citizens die so they can continue to engage in what is basically a masturbatory power fantasy.

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If there was an armed guard at the door that could have happened.

T^T

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Again, you're not reading the Supreme Court Heller decision which refutes everything you say here. I've posted the court findings on this thread. The whole "militia" idiocy was made up a couple of decades ago by leftists that needed an argument to take away people's fundamental rights and not sound fascistic while doing so. Nobody, including the leftists ever believed it...oh, except for the low information koolaide drinkers, which group id not generally put you in.

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In the wake of which, Australia instituted wide-spread gun reform, a 300 million buy-back program and banned semi-automatic weapons. We implemented gun control and it worked. Period. Which is why the USA seems fucking insane.

I would like to bring to your attention that Australia is an Island on it's own. Surrounded by seas! Not connected to any third world country. South America is like cesspit of corruption and guns and drugs that is connected to North America by land!

Of course It is 10 times easier for Australia to have gun control, than the US! Because Australia has one of the best secured borders in the world, an Island on it's own, surrounded by seas. Whereas US probably has one of the worst borders in the world.

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Just saying what worked for Australia will not work for the US, because they can't control their borders.

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"Islam for Dummies," "The Koran for Dummies" and "Arabic for Dummies" from Amazon before they left for Syria.

And I bet those books are written by muslim apologists which has nothing but peaceful interpretations in it!
Let me tell you what is one problem with Islam. The authentic book is in Arabic. But the English versions. Can have like 2 completely opposite translation of the same verse, depending on which English translation you wanna follow.
I highly doubt a "dummy guide book", is following the one that most sharia law countries that follows the authentic and original arabic version, follows.
So what proof is that exactly?

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Again, you're not reading the Supreme Court Heller decision which refutes everything you say here. I've posted the court findings on this thread. The whole "militia" idiocy was made up a couple of decades ago by leftists that needed an argument to take away people's fundamental rights and not sound fascistic while doing so. Nobody, including the leftists ever believed it...oh, except for the low information koolaide drinkers, which group id not generally put you in.

Heller was a fucking tragedy and Anton Scalia has fucking blood on his hands. I think Clinton is a piece of shit but the only reason I'll support her over Donald Drumpf is to get some fucking sane Justices on the Supreme Court. The current batch of Republicans are fucking nuts.

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It's not the border which is the problem, it's the nation's addiction to the power fantasy of the gun.

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As Jim Jefferies has pointed out, the Bushmaster used by Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook costs around $35,000 dollars on the black market in Australia. If you have $35,000 dollars you probably don't need a gun - you need an investment advisor.

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A head shot from a distance ? Now that's a good idea except for the fact that the place was like the crowd scene from Ben Hur and they would have been milling about like mad rabbits. If he took that head shot and missed, who would have collected it ?And remember, there is just a slim chance that the gunman just might not have stood still to wait for that shot.
I like Bamas idea of a bulletproof cubicle by the door and after this shit-fight, I can see large crowd venues might just pick up on the idea.

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For fuck's sake there is a clear differential between military armaments and civilian and NO, the founders did not intend for civilians to be armed with military weapons and using predator drones for home defense you insufferable fucking moron.

I believe you're wrong about the founders belief and would ask you for a citation?

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A head shot from a distance ? Now that's a good idea except for the fact that the place was like the crowd scene from Ben Hur and they would have been milling about like mad rabbits. If he took that head shot and missed, who would have collected it ?And remember, there is just a slim chance that the gunman just might not have stood still to wait for that shot.
I like Bamas idea of a bulletproof cubicle by the door and after this shit-fight, I can see large crowd venues might just pick up on the idea.

Oh ya. I got a question. We had a local incident. Basically, US officials were here on I can't remember what conference at the Shangrila hotel. What happened was 2 Muslim dudes in a car, drove through shangrila barriers, and refuse to stop for security check.

So what happened was, the police actually managed to head shot the driver and kill him instantly. With a hand gun, and I think Singapore police uses like the most archaic old fashioned hand guns ever.

That's like moving vehicle, with glass as barrier and yet it was like a successful headshot to the driver. But they never shot the guy in the passenger seat though, so they were just aiming to for the driver. And the guy in the passenger seat survived to tell their story.

The reason I have high belief in police capability of shooting a moving target is because of this real incident that happen. Seems to be a complicated shot! Do you think taking this shot is easier than for example attempting to shoot a mad gun man from the back?

(Anyway, in this case, it turn out the Muslims were not terrorists trying to attack the hotel, but simply 2 guys on high on drugs and driving, but they gate crash a high security event with high terrorism alert, so..., oh well.)

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A head shot from a distance ? Now that's a good idea except for the fact that the place was like the crowd scene from Ben Hur and they would have been milling about like mad rabbits. If he took that head shot and missed, who would have collected it ?And remember, there is just a slim chance that the gunman just might not have stood still to wait for that shot.
I like Bamas idea of a bulletproof cubicle by the door and after this shit-fight, I can see large crowd venues might just pick up on the idea.

Oh ya. I got a question. We had a local incident. Basically, US officials were here on I can't remember what conference at the Shangrila hotel. What happened was 2 Muslim dudes in a car, drove through shangrila barriers, and refuse to stop for security check.

So what happened was, the police actually managed to head shot the driver and kill him instantly. With a hand gun, and I think Singapore police uses like the most archaic old fashioned hand guns ever.

That's like moving vehicle, with glass as barrier and yet it was like a successful headshot to the driver. But they never shot the guy in the passenger seat though, so they were just aiming to for the driver. And the guy in the passenger seat survived to tell their story.

The reason I have high belief in police capability of shooting a moving target is because of this real incident that happen. Seems to be a complicated shot! Do you think taking this shot is easier than for example attempting to shoot a mad gun man from the back?

(Anyway, in this case, it turn out the Muslims were not terrorists trying to attack the hotel, but simply 2 guys on high on drugs and driving, but they gate crash a high security event with high terrorism alert, so..., oh well.)

Headshots exist in video-games, movies and in the lives of professional snipers. Period.

Law enforcement is taught to aim at the centre of body mass - because hitting a moving target with a gun is a lot more difficult than it looks in the movies.

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Headshots exist in video-games, movies and in the lives of professional snipers. Period.

Law enforcement is taught to aim at the centre of body mass - because hitting a moving target with a gun is a lot more difficult than it looks in the movies.

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Awareness, when a person is driving a car and a cop is outside shooting at him, pretty much all the cop has is a head shot because the car covers center of mass.

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Headshots exist in video-games, movies and in the lives of professional snipers. Period.

Law enforcement is taught to aim at the centre of body mass - because hitting a moving target with a gun is a lot more difficult than it looks in the movies.

This is a true story. They had a brilliant accurate head shot in this case with an archaic gun.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/shangri-la-shooting-police-identify-man-shot-dead-and-two-arrested

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For fuck's sake there is a clear differential between military armaments and civilian and NO, the founders did not intend for civilians to be armed with military weapons and using predator drones for home defense you insufferable fucking moron.

I believe you're wrong about the founders belief and would ask you for a citation?

The Second amendment is a) Specific to a well-regulated militia and b) a collective right, not a personal right.

The militia is significant because the founding fathers regarded standing armies as "engines of oppression". They distrusted the very notion of a standing army and felt that a disciplined organisational unit made up of citizens was an important component of the collective defense. Basically, they were afraid of a military coup.

Article II, Section 8, Line 15 of the Constitution says that Congress has the power "to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions". In other words, the Militia is a component of the national defense including defending the people against any who rebel against the government. Line 16 says, "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."

The second amendment provides for the participation of citizens IN that militia. It is not a right to arm yourself with a molotov and firebomb your neighbour's house because his dog keeps you up at night.

The "well-regulated militia" is known as the National Guard. Not "The National Guard of the United States" which is part of the military. All members of the National Guard are automatically members of the militia of the United States SPECIFICALLY spoken of in the Constitution as specified in Title 10 of the United States Code.

If you're not part of the militia of the United States, then the second amendment simply does not apply to you.

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"Islam for Dummies," "The Koran for Dummies" and "Arabic for Dummies" from Amazon before they left for Syria.

And I bet those books are written by muslim apologists which has nothing but peaceful interpretations in it!
Let me tell you what is one problem with Islam. The authentic book is in Arabic. But the English versions. Can have like 2 completely opposite translation of the same verse, depending on which English translation you wanna follow.
I highly doubt a "dummy guide book", is following the one that most sharia law countries that follows the authentic and original arabic version, follows.
So what proof is that exactly?

You're missing the point Greta.

Hate on Muslims all you like. It's clearly working out well for you and giving you a hobby etc, which is important. But if you want to be rational then you have to be able to look things without your own biases getting in the way.

A lot of these people who do this crap, whether it is this Muslim shooting up a gay bar or that Christian who attacked a planned parenthood clinic a few weeks ago or that atheist in Finland who shot up a school actually don't understand the religion (or lack thereof) they claim to follow at all well. This fact has been scientifically verified:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_to_Win#Ch._10:_The_Demographic_Profile_of_Suicide_Terrorists

"Islamist fundamentalism may actually reduce the number of suicide terrorists by discouraging certain categories of individuals"

Watch this. This guy is an atheist, a scientist, and objective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dc7iT75P2I&list=PL6377501CD4BABAFF

It explains the Jihad in more depth than you will ever see in The Mail or on Fox. Religious adherence is a negative predictor of being involved in any form of terrorism.

Random attacks like this are the result of psychopathy/sociopathy, and a brief moment of rage. The issue there is easy access to deadly weapons during those moments.

Terrorism is result of political pressures which galvanize people (almost always young men) around a certain cause whilst giving them a reason to fight and to die (there is, psychologically, very little difference between a terrorist willing to die for a cause and soldier willing to die for his country, they both see the world the same). The issue there is normally the total lack of balance between those on either side of the flashpoint (so Israeli vs Palestinian, or England vs Ulster, or Kurds vs Turks etc).

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Sadly, because of the prevailing PC culture and desire to avoid offending radical Muslims that runs rampant through President Barack Obama’s administration, an investigation that could have led to a shut down of radical mosques and the arrest of real and potential terrorists was ended before it could do any good.

I do not know where the phoque you are from but here in amerika it is illegal to arrest someone for being a potential terrorist.