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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 5:31:19 AM   
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Do left leaning Americans agree that US should ban clerics such as THIS ONE from preaching in US Mosques or not?
Because my country bans them!

Imam who called for execution of gays preached at Orlando-area mosque weeks before massacre


Fox Bullshit. The fact you link that absolute crap says far more about your gullibility than it does about anything else.

The shooter in this case wasn't a devout Muslim. He was a heavy drinker, among other things, and had serious anger issues. He was an accident waiting to happen.

Taking away his right to bear arms, and then removing his weapons, would have prevented this from happening.


oh no comrades, fox news!

the fact that you disparage and disregard information simply based on its source says far more about your lack of critical thinking skills and your collectivist entrenchment than it does about anything else.



Did you just use the words "critical thinking skills" in a sentence trying to validate Fox News as a source.

That's genuinely funny.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:18:08 AM   
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I'm dubious that would make him a staunch moslem either, whatever hilarious bullshit Greta believes about moslem law only applying to moslems in moslem countries where shariah law is practiced.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:33:35 AM   
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Do left leaning Americans agree that US should ban clerics such as THIS ONE from preaching in US Mosques or not?
Because my country bans them!

Imam who called for execution of gays preached at Orlando-area mosque weeks before massacre


Fox Bullshit. The fact you link that absolute crap says far more about your gullibility than it does about anything else.

The shooter in this case wasn't a devout Muslim. He was a heavy drinker, among other things, and had serious anger issues. He was an accident waiting to happen.

Taking away his right to bear arms, and then removing his weapons, would have prevented this from happening.

Good, from FOX, it has a much better chance of being accurate then, say, from MSNBC. I know Libs hate that and have to disparage it, which actually is fun to watch. It's how they make their small, narrow worlds even small and narrower.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:44:24 AM   
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I'm dubious that would make him a staunch moslem either, whatever hilarious bullshit Greta believes about moslem law only applying to moslems in moslem countries where shariah law is practiced.

He also religiously attends the Mosque together with his son.
So you deny his Muslim when he religiously attends mosque, but insist his a closet homosexual because he attended gay club?
It doesn't matter whether his closeted or not. It makes no difference that his Islamic beliefs made him kill gay people, despite his own closeted tendencies, thanks to his religion, his forced to kill by his religion or persuaded to kill by his religion, people of his own kind. Okay, I'm totally fine with him being gay as well. So gays are killing gays. Great! Now Muslim gays also wanna kill fellow gay people.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:47:10 AM   
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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:47:56 AM   
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Did you just use the words "critical thinking skills" in a sentence trying to validate Fox News as a source.

That's genuinely funny.

Considering that Fox actually reports alot of disparaging news about Trump. Including criticizing him for the Mexican Judge thingy, I don't see why you don't give Fox any credit for being more balance than Lib news media. I never seen a Lib media ever criticize their leading candidates.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:49:52 AM   
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You'll be saying that there's no conflict between moslem beliefs and drinking alcohol next, no doubt.

Infact, I am saying this conflict is brought by his Islamic beliefs. His closeted because his religion told him gay is bad! And if he is closeted and a tormented gay fellow, and hates himself for being gay, thanks to his religion teaching him that gay is bad, so he went crazy and go out and do a mass suicide killing loads of gay people, knowing also it's a suicidal mission.

Yea, him being a closeted gay, HAS EVERYTHING to do with his Islamic beliefs too.

How many Muslims in Muslim countries can be openly gay and feel safe?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:51:14 AM   
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If he was firing full auto his firearm was illegal, any semi auto fires fast, but he wouldn't be aiming. And yes there is no reason to ban them from the citizenry. Do you realize that this is 100 year old technology?
The Constitution is over 225 years old. The second amendment was written with muskets in mind. You have to be completely incompetent to think that the founding fathers intended the citizens to arm themselves with AR-15's.




You are unaware that during the Revolution the US army was offered the Belton rifle which was demontrated to fire 20 rounds in 5 seconds but wasn't adopted because of cost.
For fuck's sake there is a clear differential between military armaments and civilian and NO, the founders did not intend for civilians to be armed with military weapons and using predator drones for home defense you insufferable fucking moron.



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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:51:36 AM   
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I'm dubious that would make him a staunch moslem either, whatever hilarious bullshit Greta believes about moslem law only applying to moslems in moslem countries where shariah law is practiced.

He also religiously attends the Mosque together with his son.
So you deny his Muslim when he religiously attends mosque, but insist his a closet homosexual because he attended gay club?
It doesn't matter whether his closeted or not. It makes no difference that his Islamic beliefs made him kill gay people, despite his own closeted tendencies, thanks to his religion, his forced to kill by his religion or pursuaded to kill by his religion, people of his own kind. Okay, I'm totally fine with him being gay as well. So gays are killing gays. Great! Now Muslim gays also wanna kill fellow gay people.



Nobody is denying the guy is a Muslim.

And, as far as I can see, nobody is really saying that being a Muslim hasn't influenced who he was and what he did in some way.

What I am saying (and I think Mr Whoremods is as well) is that trying to tie this in with Islam (yet again by you) is beyond foolish. He wasn't a devout Muslim, he wasn't there doing Allahs bidding. He was there, as is pretty obvious at this point, because seeing two men kissing turned him into a rage monster, and he had an explosively violent temper without any self control.

That's the same as Dylan Roof who saw black people, or Adam Lanza when he saw other kids, or any one of these psycho shooters.

Addendum: You can't remove psychopaths from society at this point. Why people turn out like this is poorly understood. The only way to prevent this is to not have an arsenal free-for-all.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:53:22 AM   
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So going to a Mosque is all that is required to be considered a Muslim?

Going to a Mosque very regularly including bringing his son to be educated about Islam is totally being a Muslim. His x-wife said his a Muslim!
Why are you in so much denial that his a Muslim?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:55:19 AM   
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How moslem is that? Does attending a mosque occasionally eradicate either of those?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:55:21 AM   
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He wasn't a devout Muslim, he wasn't there doing Allahs bidding. He was there, as is pretty obvious at this point, because seeing two men kissing turned him into a rage monster, and he had an explosively violent temper without any self control.

Did you miss out the part where he dedicated his attacks to ISIS?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:56:41 AM   
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One fact is that all the psycho mass killers in American history that go on a rampage with guns, has not cause as much lives as one Muslim psycho mass killer did. A Muslim has officially broke the American record of most kills in a psycho mass killing rampage. Fact.
I believe the record was held by Martin Bryant who killed 35 people and wounded 23 at Port Arthur in 1996 - I had friends there who, fortunately, survived.

In the wake of which, Australia instituted wide-spread gun reform, a 300 million buy-back program and banned semi-automatic weapons. We implemented gun control and it worked. Period. Which is why the USA seems fucking insane.

Islam is a fucking problem - of that here is no doubt, but you're just pushing an agenda. The fact is, the larger problem is the ready availability of high-powered weapons which insulate the shooter from the reality of what they're doing. Most people are too fucking unstable to possess a gun. That, is the fundamental problem.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 6:56:45 AM   
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His ex wife also says he was a closet case and a drunk.
How moslem is that? Does attending a mosque occasionally eradicate either of those?

That's like saying a Christian who doesn't turn the other cheek is not a Christian. We know many Christians, infact MOST christians does not obey Jesus orders to turn the other cheek.
Since when are Muslim perfect human beings able to follow precisely and exactly ALL Islamic rules? If they did, America will be in trouble, deep trouble! We can only hope they keep disobeying as many Islamic rules as possible, for example, do not kill gay people! Don't obey the nonsense that gay people are bad.
I know many devout Muslims who drinks, including Saudi Arabians. They just drink when they are not in Saudi Arabia, when they travel.
All Kazakhstani Muslims eat pork! Are they less Muslim because they eat pork?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 7:03:30 AM   
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He wasn't a devout Muslim, he wasn't there doing Allahs bidding. He was there, as is pretty obvious at this point, because seeing two men kissing turned him into a rage monster, and he had an explosively violent temper without any self control.

Did you miss out the part where he dedicated his attacks to ISIS?



My patience is wearing very very thin.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2016/06/orlando_shooter_may_not_have_u.html

Did you miss out the part where we are talking about a psychopath? Did you miss out the fact the guy did this out of rage, not out of religious fervour? Did you miss out the part where anyone can dedicate anything to anyone they like (Reagans would-be assassin tried to kill Reagan for Jodie Foster, for some reason) and it doesn't mean shite?


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 7:04:35 AM   
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The First Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on freedom of speech or freedom of the press. In this particular instance, these are political rights which have nothing to do with the advance of technology.

The Second Amendment prevents Congress from infringing on the right to bear arms. this is a political right which has nothing to do with the advance of technology.
The right to bear arms is not a political right, it's a collective right of the citizenry for defense of the nation through "well regulated militias". It has absolutely zero to do with personal rights to keep arms in your home. This is why it speaks of "the people" collectively.

Mind you, I have no objection to you and your fellow gun nuts arming yourselves with muskets. However I do wonder at what kind of people are so psychologically attached to weapons that they simply do not care how many of their fellow citizens die so they can continue to engage in what is basically a masturbatory power fantasy.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 7:04:59 AM   
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In the wake of which, Australia instituted wide-spread gun reform, a 300 million buy-back program and banned semi-automatic weapons. We implemented gun control and it worked. Period. Which is why the USA seems fucking insane.

I would like to bring to your attention that Australia is an Island on it's own. Surrounded by seas! Not connected to any third world country. South America is like cesspit of corruption and guns and drugs that is connected to North America by land!

Of course It is 10 times easier for Australia to have gun control, than the US! Because Australia has one of the best secured borders in the world, an Island on it's own, surrounded by seas. Whereas US probably has one of the worst borders in the world.

Just saying what worked for Australia will not work for the US, because they can't control their borders.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 7:05:31 AM   
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I'm dubious that would make him a staunch moslem either, whatever hilarious bullshit Greta believes about moslem law only applying to moslems in moslem countries where shariah law is practiced.

He also religiously attends the Mosque together with his son.
So you deny his Muslim when he religiously attends mosque, but insist his a closet homosexual because he attended gay club?
It doesn't matter whether his closeted or not. It makes no difference that his Islamic beliefs made him kill gay people, despite his own closeted tendencies, thanks to his religion, his forced to kill by his religion or pursuaded to kill by his religion, people of his own kind. Okay, I'm totally fine with him being gay as well. So gays are killing gays. Great! Now Muslim gays also wanna kill fellow gay people.



Nobody is denying the guy is a Muslim.

And, as far as I can see, nobody is really saying that being a Muslim hasn't influenced who he was and what he did in some way.

What I am saying (and I think Mr Whoremods is as well) is that trying to tie this in with Islam (yet again by you) is beyond foolish. He wasn't a devout Muslim, he wasn't there doing Allahs bidding. He was there, as is pretty obvious at this point, because seeing two men kissing turned him into a rage monster, and he had an explosively violent temper without any self control.

That's the same as Dylan Roof who saw black people, or Adam Lanza when he saw other kids, or any one of these psycho shooters.

Addendum: You can't remove psychopaths from society at this point. Why people turn out like this is poorly understood. The only way to prevent this is to not have an arsenal free-for-all.


It seems to me that if he calls 911 in the middle, of his killing spree and gives his allegiance to ISIS and shouts "Ala who akbar" on the 911 recording, it's damn near impossible to dismiss this as anything else other than a terrorist attack.

Although it's fun watching you liberals twist yourselves into pretzels trying.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 7:08:29 AM   
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If he was firing full auto his firearm was illegal, any semi auto fires fast, but he wouldn't be aiming. And yes there is no reason to ban them from the citizenry. Do you realize that this is 100 year old technology?
The Constitution is over 225 years old. The second amendment was written with muskets in mind. You have to be completely incompetent to think that the founding fathers intended the citizens to arm themselves with AR-15's.




You are unaware that during the Revolution the US army was offered the Belton rifle which was demontrated to fire 20 rounds in 5 seconds but wasn't adopted because of cost.
For fuck's sake there is a clear differential between military armaments and civilian and NO, the founders did not intend for civilians to be armed with military weapons and using predator drones for home defense you insufferable fucking moron.



I believe you're wrong about the founders belief and would ask you for a citation?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/14/2016 7:09:51 AM   
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Did you miss out the part where we are talking about a psychopath? Did you miss out the fact the guy did this out of rage, not out of religious fervour? Did you miss out the part where anyone can dedicate anything to anyone they like (Reagans would-be assassin tried to kill Reagan for Jodie Foster, for some reason) and it doesn't mean shite?

What kind of evidence do you need that a lone wolf killed people because he listened to ISIS call out to lone wolves launching their own attacks? What would be solid evidence for you? I mean considering the murderer himself confessed that his attack is ISIS motivated. And you choose not to believe his own words.


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