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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 3:27:25 PM   
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It's not brilliant, but it's loads better than Preaching To The Perverted of Fifty Shades...

You're comparing whether dog shit tastes worse than cat shit or horse shit.

LOL

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 3:56:29 PM   
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You got up on the slow side of things today, Bama, so I'll cover for a buddy here and respond;

"I think the cats and dogs and horses might have their own opinion on that!"


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 3:58:46 PM   
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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 6:14:32 PM   
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If by "clever little trap" you mean the logical argument, the supporting evidence, and the follow-up questions about your position -- a position you don't seem to have considered, since your only support is school yard taunts -- then yeah, sure.


It is a very clever trap. No one uses logical arguments, supporting evidence and follow up questions. Who would even think someone on here would fathom to do that?


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 6:17:40 PM   
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So what should Australia do to reduce crime DS ? Ban criminals ? I think something along those lines has already been done. you probably have similar laws in the U.S.
Gun crimes dropped. Surely that's a plus ? Crime overall may or may NOT have dropped but at least nobody was getting shot/killed while those crimes were being committed. Not so much of a plus but still a plus in my eyes.


And, that's a difference between you and me (and I'm sure a whole lot of others line up behind us). I'm more concerned with crime reduction than what weapon is used to commit a crime.




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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 6:30:39 PM   
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I'm suffering no anguish at all: that comes across from your denial that easy access to a not quite military grade rifle was the reason this tonk was able to wipe out half a nightclub, though.


Yes, the guns used definitely aided in the number of kills/injuries. I never denied that.

However, the mere fact that he had guns doesn't mean he's going to go on a shooting rampage. Why did he go on a shooting spree? If we can get rid of the 'Why,' we wouldn't even be talking about the 'How.' If we get rid of the 'How,' but not the 'Why,' we'll end up talking about the new 'How.'

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Just how many spree killings in your country in the last twenty years have involved home made bombs, rather than guns, out of interest? (Somebody blowing up their underpants, rather than an airliner, to no effect besides looking ridiculous doesn't count, btw.)


21 years, but what's one more year?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 6:37:22 PM   
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/15/orlando-terrorists-chilling-facebook-posts-from-inside-club-revealed.html?intcmp=hpbt1
“the 29-year-old radicalized Muslim broadcast his twisted message of hate on social media, according to Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wisc.
"I pledge my alliance to (ISIS leader) abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me,” Mateen wrote in one post early Sunday morning. “The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west” …“You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state vengeance.”

Mateen’s social media accounts were taken down before they could be widely viewed by the public, but Johnson’s committee investigators have uncovered some or all of them.

In case there is any more denial about him doing this because of his Muslim faith. But I wonder why the authorities are hiding away public evidence like this. Why take down his social media account so fast?

What occurs to me, the crux of Obama refusing to attached the word "Islam" or "Muslim" to describing any terrorist act is because his just not willing to acknowledge that this is Islamic beliefs problem.

I am sure when Christians commit terrorism, he would have no issues saying "Radical Christians" or "Christian Terrorists".

An FBI source told FoxNews.com he also made 16 phone calls from inside the club after the bloody spree began. Investigators are tracking down each of the recipients of those calls.

This is good! Since a witness, witnessed his conversation on the phone with the accomplices. I'm glad the Police are tracking all those he called.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:32:13 PM   
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I'm suffering no anguish at all: that comes across from your denial that easy access to a not quite military grade rifle was the reason this tonk was able to wipe out half a nightclub, though.


Yes, the guns used definitely aided in the number of kills/injuries. I never denied that.

However, the mere fact that he had guns doesn't mean he's going to go on a shooting rampage. Why did he go on a shooting spree? If we can get rid of the 'Why,' we wouldn't even be talking about the 'How.' If we get rid of the 'How,' but not the 'Why,' we'll end up talking about the new 'How.'

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Just how many spree killings in your country in the last twenty years have involved home made bombs, rather than guns, out of interest? (Somebody blowing up their underpants, rather than an airliner, to no effect besides looking ridiculous doesn't count, btw.)


21 years, but what's one more year?

Don't forget Happyland in NJ 87 dead and not a gun in site.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:37:40 PM   
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Why did he go on a shooting spree? If we can get rid of the 'Why,' we wouldn't even be talking about the 'How.' If we get rid of the 'How,' but not the 'Why,' we'll end up talking about the new 'How.'

I agree that "why" is important, but I don't see it and "how" as mutually exclusive.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 8:54:37 PM   
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Meantime, back in the world of the grieving:

http://www.foreverymom.com/orlando-shooting-pulse-jetblue-passengers/#

I thank all is holy for the kindness of strangers.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 9:56:33 PM   
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Shit but true. He really is registered.


What is your point?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 9:57:48 PM   
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It was about your refering to a mid to low range rifle caliber as highpowered.

You have been shown that the .223 is a high power rifle.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid


The shooting took place at point blank range. The way they were packed, if he had been using a true high powered rifle he would have hit two or three victims per round as the bullets would have gone clear through a person at that range.


Only a simpleton with absolutely no knowledge of firearms would make such a stupid statement.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 9:58:47 PM   
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The decrease in our value and moral system is cause of these kind of devastating tragedies.

We are kink site for phoques sake???have you no shame?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 10:02:21 PM   
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I never want to hear anyone minimize the danger Muslims pose.

Indeed, they're nearly as dangerous as christians.

Don't forget the christians had a head start.

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 10:03:48 PM   
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I never want to hear anyone minimize the danger Muslims pose.

Why not?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 10:03:50 PM   
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It was about your refering to a mid to low range rifle caliber as highpowered.

You have been shown that the .223 is a high power rifle.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid


The shooting took place at point blank range. The way they were packed, if he had been using a true high powered rifle he would have hit two or three victims per round as the bullets would have gone clear through a person at that range.


Only a simpleton with absolutely no knowledge of firearms would make such a stupid statement.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


You are trying to claim that the .223 is in the same power range as the 30-06?
Only a simpleton with absolutely no knowledge of firearms would make such a stupid statement.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 10:04:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes, let's get back to the values and moral system of past...............maybe the Condotierri of Italy ? Or the Viking berserkers ? Or maybe the mau-mau? Or maybe those upright citizens who robbed raped, pillaged and murdered the native americans back in the 19th century ? How far do you want to go back to find the moral system and values you seek CG ?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 10:05:06 PM   
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That is not at all true.
I know that at least at one time it was legal to carry concealed in WV in bars

Do you think it a good idea to mix alcohol and guns?

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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 10:05:50 PM   
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Don't forget the christians had a head start.

Islam has as much history as Christianity and Judaism, CONSIDERING, Islam is just another cultist religion out of Christianity, like Westboro. All Muslims believe that the old testament happen exactly the way it is. And all Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet of Allah. Just they don't believe his God in human form. So that excuse does not fly. They are not new. They were Christians who refuse to believe Jesus is the human form of God. And broke off from other Christians to form Islam, a new "Christian" religion who believes that Jesus is not God but just a prophet of God. Not one Muslim will deny Jesus existence and his role in spreading God's word. But they just believe Muhammed is the final prophet that came after Jesus Christ. So his messages are the final words from God instead of Jesus's messages.

I mean, the Mormons are like fucking new too, and you don't see them advocating violence. Yet another cultist religion from "Christianity" that chooses to follow the Christian prophet Joseph Smith.

In Islam, technically, Muhammad is considered the prophet of the Christian God.


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RE: Mass Shooting in Florida - 6/15/2016 10:06:22 PM   
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The interesting thing about this is that now that Obama has killed more people with drones than did the church during the inquisition,

Cite please.

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