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ManOeuvre -> RE: Mass Shooting in Florida (6/17/2016 10:42:50 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
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ORIGINAL: ManOeuvre
That's right. It's a fanfic of a fanfic of a fanfic! At least LRH and his Scientology had an original plot and some original characters!
Exactly which part do you think it's untrue? Muhammed was Married to his wife way BEFORE Angel Gabriel came to him. His wife family is Christian. His wife convinced him, his not mad and not hallucination about Angel Gabriel. His wife was the first one who convinced him his important enough for an Angel from the Christian God to actually bother to speak to him and give him instructions from God.
Islam sooo ridiculous man-made it's just like, it just was like some hallucinations of some uneducated middle eastern dude in the past who thought it was the Christian Angel sending him the Newer than New Testament.
I suppose I should have written "Boring fanfic (islam) of another boring fanfic (x-ianity) of a boring set of bronze-age campfire myths.(judaism)"
I think it's a reasonably safe assumption that some guy named Moe was a medieval peninsular warlord. I'm confident in that fact at around 95%. Whether he was a cynical opportunist or genuinely believed in his claims I go 60/40, and as to the veracity of the claims themselves, I'm close to 100% confident they're as solid as thin air.
I think that in this forum we're describing and experiencing two sides of the same problem here.
For one thing, it's very difficult, perhaps even impossible, for someone who does not share a given set of beliefs to understand what it is like to hold those beliefs sincerely. For example it is very difficult for most secular (and secular-ish) people to understand what it would be like to believe, that is, to know, that gays are evil, belong in hell and sending them there is a good thing. As such, when people or parties act in a way that stems very logically from those beliefs, (Gays are evil ---> they need to go to hell ---> sending them there is a good thing ---> take the elevator to the roof ----> throw him off ----> good job!) People who don't hold those beliefs tend to project upon the actors (in this case, the murderers) motivations that they (people who don't hold these beliefs) are more sympathetic to, or could more easily integrate into their world view.
This is why after each atrocity featuring my least-favourite death cult, where the perpetrators have shouted at the tops of their lungs, posted ad nauseam on Facebook and confided in their friends and confederates that their motivations are:
1 - Hatred for gays, apostates, the other flavours of muslims, jews, and infidels.
2 - A cosmically deep sense of injustice stemming from the incongruity of possessing god's last, and best message and yet having ownership of societies that have lagged behind the rest of the world in every conceivable metric of happiness, progress or well-being except perhaps skin cancer rates in KSA.
3 - An absolute paranoia with regards to contamination and corruption from impure cultural elements, such as television, music, radio, internet etc.
4 - The obvious one - the absolute certainty that they are right, and anyone expressing any lifestyle, cartoon, or policy to the contrary is fit for death.
When these motivations are shouted at the top of their lungs, since they are so alien to secular people, secular people have the bad habit of ascribing more familiar, conventional motivations such as:
1 - They were somehow wronged by society in general, through racist teasing, discrimination or violence and they are therefore damaged thus they lashed out.
2 - They have a deep geo-political motivation or aspiration, and because of the abuses they have suffered under bullet-point 1 above (or perhaps any bullet-point in a NATO calibre) they have been deranged into thinking that this atrocity is the best use of their efforts towards some very reasonable goal.
3 - They're on meds, or off their meds (or something else involving medication) or they're just plain crazy!
Secular westerners especially have the additional bad habit of the racism of low expectations, such as the sentiment immediately after Charlie Hebdo that swarthier folk cannot take jokes.
If there is a correlation between melanin and sense of humour, I would divine it positive, especially thanks to Richard Pryor.
The flip side of the problem (with the obverse being that we have a hard time understanding was is to others clearer than crystal) is that beliefs heavily inform actions, and thus have major consequences.
Omar Mateen was not insane. He was acting perfectly rationally given what he sincerely believed about the universe, the afterlife, the world and his and your place within it.
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