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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: mrevibo
You might surmise that, but here in the real world (the one we have to work with) there are unfortunately a lot of bad people with bad intentions and guns obtained through illegitimate means. The knowledge among these bad people that their potential victims may well be armed has been proven to have a deterrent effect, consistently, and the magnitude of that deterrence correlates with the likelihood of potential victims being armed. More guns out there correlates with a lower crime rate, in other words.

Quite. That's why there's so little violent crime involving firearms in the 'States, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: mrevibo
... More guns out there correlates with a lower crime rate, in other words.

And for sure everybody would be fine with that if it only was right, but it isn't.

Since you have no reference base within the USA (like a "no guns allowed" area of comparative size, like 25 of 50 states for example) all you could do is to look at data from other countries - but we all know that your compatriots rather don't ... (ie no need for you to repeat the endless nonsense about the violent world outside the US ... )

You know I myself do not care about your gun laws and those repetitive shootings but to so many outside the US your problem with guns is obvious and the solutions could be not mysterious at all.

It has been done elsewhere and successfully so, and not only in one country only but in dozens of them ...

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Must have been really fucking bad before, then.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/14/muslim-terrorist-kills-french-cop-wife-while-livestreaming-on-facebook.html

A Muslim radical

That's a tautology - just say "Muslim".

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I personally cannot imagine the fear of all the policemen for their families right now! I mean, they are now hitting the very people who are suppose to be protecting others. This is very brazen. And they went straight for the chief. Killed his wife too. Orphaned a child, fortunately he let the kid live.

I wonder what would Obama or Clinton response be if this happens in their country.

And ironically now, in a gun free country, the police are now allowed to bring their guns home to protect themselves, because they have no choice. Now these terrorist forced the need for guns for protection in a gun free country.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

And the Bible and Old Testament defines the 1/3 of the world that's Christian, including Leviticus.

You're smarter than that, when you want to be.

I know hundreds of Muslims, some simply as students and faculty, a dozen or so as associates. These people are just people getting by with all the same concerns and daily stuff everyone else does. Except for a scarf here and there.

Just people.

As for the extremist alarms, you are 7 times more likely to be attacked by a right wing extremist than a Muslim one.

Maybe we should kill all the Christians and the Muslims, just in case? That's over half the world. And of course, Hindus and Buddhists and Indigenuous people and atheists never in the history of the world have committed acts of violence, so all will be hunky dory! Right?

Wake up, please.

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ORIGINAL: mrevibo

I dunno, I can go to a local store, put my cash on the counter and say "I want that one", fill out the 4473, joke with the cashier for a few minutes during the NICS check, and carry it out. Then I can load it in the parking lot and drop it in a holster and go grocery shopping or whatever. I know some states are more oppressive than this, but can anyone in France do likewise?

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

And the Bible and Old Testament defines the 1/3 of the world that's Christian, including Leviticus.

You're smarter than that, when you want to be.

I know hundreds of Muslims, some simply as students and faculty, a dozen or so as associates. These people are just people getting by with all the same concerns and daily stuff everyone else does. Except for a scarf here and there.

Just people.

As for the extremist alarms, you are 7 times more likely to be attacked by a right wing extremist than a Muslim one.

Maybe we should kill all the Christians and the Muslims, just in case? That's over half the world. And of course, Hindus and Buddhists and Indigenuous people and atheists never in the history of the world have committed acts of violence, so all will be hunky dory! Right?

Wake up, please.

Except for one very important precept MM....the Quran makes clear...it's not only acceptable....it is IMPERATIVE to deceive the sinners (anyone but them).....to lie to dissuade them.

And in the end....to kill them.

Yes.

At least the Bible (O.T.) just said...."kill those fuckers".

Which, hopefully...we've all learned from...and the times it was written in...

But the Quran is quite clear...deception and misguiding is not only acceptable....it's mandated.

So....all those sweet Muslims that seem so innocuous?

They follow an instruction set that mandates they do.....exactly that which is required to get you to believe.....they are....

Innocuous....sweet....child like....forgiving.

THAT is their PURPOSE.

THAT is their instruction set.

And that is exactly how.....if we allow it....they will take us down.

Through our acceptance.

(Not theirs).

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: mrevibo

I dunno, I can go to a local store, put my cash on the counter and say "I want that one", fill out the 4473, joke with the cashier for a few minutes during the NICS check, and carry it out. Then I can load it in the parking lot and drop it in a holster and go grocery shopping or whatever. I know some states are more oppressive than this, but can anyone in France do likewise?

Therein lies the entire dilemma.

Europe is now borderless.....so.....where you CAN buy these guns.....once purchased....you simply drive to where they cannot.

(And the bad guys know.....where the weak laws are....and that's where they go to set out their carnage).

If you were a "bad guy".....THINK....for just one minute.....are you going to go shoot up a Police Convention? Or....where guns are not allowed (or limited)?

It's pretty gawdamned simple math (and....you may be aware....the Arabs invented.....math).

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


Therein lies the entire dilemma.

Europe is now borderless.....so.....where you CAN buy these guns.....once purchased....you simply drive to where they cannot.

(And the bad guys know.....where the weak laws are....and that's where they go to set out their carnage).

...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

Please stop using logical thought.

You're fucking up people's heads.

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

Please stop using logical thought.

You're fucking up people's heads.

If we give up guns animals will eat us.

You think this is logical.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

And the Bible and Old Testament defines the 1/3 of the world that's Christian, including Leviticus.

You're smarter than that, when you want to be.

I know hundreds of Muslims, some simply as students and faculty, a dozen or so as associates. These people are just people getting by with all the same concerns and daily stuff everyone else does. Except for a scarf here and there.

Just people.

As for the extremist alarms, you are 7 times more likely to be attacked by a right wing extremist than a Muslim one.

Maybe we should kill all the Christians and the Muslims, just in case? That's over half the world. And of course, Hindus and Buddhists and Indigenuous people and atheists never in the history of the world have committed acts of violence, so all will be hunky dory! Right?

Wake up, please.

Except for one very important precept MM....the Quran makes clear...it's not only acceptable....it is IMPERATIVE to deceive the sinners (anyone but them).....to lie to dissuade them.

And in the end....to kill them.

Yes.

At least the Bible (O.T.) just said...."kill those fuckers".

Which, hopefully...we've all learned from...and the times it was written in...

But the Quran is quite clear...deception and misguiding is not only acceptable....it's mandated.

So....all those sweet Muslims that seem so innocuous?

They follow an instruction set that mandates they do.....exactly that which is required to get you to believe.....they are....

Innocuous....sweet....child like....forgiving.

THAT is their PURPOSE.

THAT is their instruction set.

And that is exactly how.....if we allow it....they will take us down.

Through our acceptance.

(Not theirs).

Which simply shows that you know nothing about Islam or Muslims. Your characterization of them is simply false.

If it were true, the world would be a mass war, larger than any "world war" we've ever seen.

It's a display of your ignorance, along with your choice to join other morons--some of them Islamic, some not--in cherry picking and twisting words similarly to how some moronic Christians do this with the Old Testament periodically.

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ORIGINAL: Staleek

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

Please stop using logical thought.

You're fucking up people's heads.

If we give up guns animals will eat us.

You think this is logical.

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Then you have much to learn about mainstream Islam.

Oh, do expound on that.

And while you're at it there should be an analysis of how the Koran, and of course the Old Testament and New Testament have been so interpreted, somewhat like liberals interpret the Constitution.

But the Bible and the Koran are not law of the land. Of course there are a bunch of assholes think they should be, but you know what ?

Brains put humans at the top of the food chain. There are plenty of animals out there could eat us, but we got tools, guile and a few other things. That means that eventually the intelligent humans should prevail. As long as we do not put ourselves into a severe disadvantage of course, like for example giving up our guns.

T^T

And the Bible and Old Testament defines the 1/3 of the world that's Christian, including Leviticus.

You're smarter than that, when you want to be.

I know hundreds of Muslims, some simply as students and faculty, a dozen or so as associates. These people are just people getting by with all the same concerns and daily stuff everyone else does. Except for a scarf here and there.

Just people.

As for the extremist alarms, you are 7 times more likely to be attacked by a right wing extremist than a Muslim one.

Maybe we should kill all the Christians and the Muslims, just in case? That's over half the world. And of course, Hindus and Buddhists and Indigenuous people and atheists never in the history of the world have committed acts of violence, so all will be hunky dory! Right?

Wake up, please.

Except for one very important precept MM....the Quran makes clear...it's not only acceptable....it is IMPERATIVE to deceive the sinners (anyone but them).....to lie to dissuade them.

And in the end....to kill them.

Yes.

At least the Bible (O.T.) just said...."kill those fuckers".

Which, hopefully...we've all learned from...and the times it was written in...

But the Quran is quite clear...deception and misguiding is not only acceptable....it's mandated.

So....all those sweet Muslims that seem so innocuous?

They follow an instruction set that mandates they do.....exactly that which is required to get you to believe.....they are....

Innocuous....sweet....child like....forgiving.

THAT is their PURPOSE.

THAT is their instruction set.

And that is exactly how.....if we allow it....they will take us down.

Through our acceptance.

(Not theirs).

Which simply shows that you know nothing about Islam or Muslims. Your characterization of them is simply false.

If it were true, the world would be a mass war, larger than any "world war" we've ever seen.

It's a display of your ignorance, along with your choice to join other morons--some of them Islamic, some not--in cherry picking and twisting words similarly to how some moronic Christians do this with the Old Testament periodically.

Well...I've been accused of being a moron in the past.....this one won't abuse my palate (terribly).

As to a world war....I'd anticipate it shortly because....those that want to see us eviscerated...as best as I can tell...really don't give a flying fuck if YOUR ideology....or mine....prevails.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

We are already in a world war, it is just that too many of us refuse to accept that fact.