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Greta75 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/15/2016 7:28:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Are there any other kinds of 'gators ? And here, they even have pretty pics up of a croc with it's jaws open and all those nice shiny teeth showing, just for those who can't read or don't believe the sign. After that, the crocs will explain the situation if necessary. An American tourist made the big mistake last month. Nothing was found of her.

If there were big signs of crocs lurking. And the tourist still goes in to get eaten. Then that's the person's problem. But I am sure those signs in your area have saved many kid's life, their parents will hold on to their children more tightly, knowing they are near dangerous predators.




Edwird -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/15/2016 7:40:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

you're right Edwird..................it WAS just a joke..............only just *smile*


Some of us are stuck with a life of just grabbing the low hanging fruit.




stef -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/15/2016 10:02:13 PM)


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Stef, you are so predictable. I knew immediately you would pop in and call me an idiot, because I used the phrase "idiot-proof" as I was typing it


You're a regular Machiavelli, aren't you?




BamaD -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/15/2016 10:49:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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Stef, you are so predictable. I knew immediately you would pop in and call me an idiot, because I used the phrase "idiot-proof" as I was typing it


You're a regular Machiavelli, aren't you?

At the Air Force Data Systems Design Center, we could write things to be fool proof, but nothing was idiot proof.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/15/2016 10:55:16 PM)

Well, I guess nobody is paying you to be Billy Crystal Edwird. Get what you can, while you can and then head for the hills is my motto *smile*. If all else fails, point the finger at somebody else.




susie -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 12:43:13 AM)


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That's Darwinism in action and I'm not sure it's a bad thing. Do we really want the offspring of idiots - who think swimming with gators is fun - to reproduce? I'm thinking that's a set of genes the pool could do without.


But Disneyworld is filled with tourists. There is no way tourists would know that water bordering Disneyworld could have alligators! How would they know!



On our very first trip to the USA, my parents and I spent our 2 weeks in Florida. We are from England. We were very aware that Florida has a couple of gators lurking in the State. We even drove across Alligator Alley and saw a few, not much of a surprise given where we were. So as tourists we were very aware of gators.




thishereboi -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 3:54:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness
That's Darwinism in action and I'm not sure it's a bad thing. Do we really want the offspring of idiots - who think swimming with gators is fun - to reproduce? I'm thinking that's a set of genes the pool could do without.


But Disneyworld is filled with tourists. There is no way tourists would know that water bordering Disneyworld could have alligators! How would they know!



They would know because it is in Florida.


And where were the parents of this child that was wading in alligator infested ponds?


Standing on the shore watching what likely will become a recurring nightmare in their lives.




thishereboi -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 3:58:52 AM)


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They would know because it is in Florida.

I absolutely have zero clue that Florida is land of alligators at all!
Tourists wouldn't know. Only locals over there would know!
And it's a Tourist attraction.

Usually I would seriously blame the parent. But in this case, the parent was close enough to wrestle the crocodile and lost. All the kid had was ankles at the tip of the water. A alligator came and dragged it off. The dad was nearby enough to wrestle the crocodile and even got injuries from it but he lost.


Tourists would know if they paid any attention to the news. This isn't the first time a kid has been grabbed by a gator in Florida. And Disney does warn people about the dangers, people just don't always listen. They think they know better than the experts who work there and ignore signs. In this case they will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 4:53:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Are there any other kinds of 'gators ? And here, they even have pretty pics up of a croc with it's jaws open and all those nice shiny teeth showing, just for those who can't read or don't believe the sign. After that, the crocs will explain the situation if necessary. An American tourist made the big mistake last month. Nothing was found of her.

If there were big signs of crocs lurking. And the tourist still goes in to get eaten. Then that's the person's problem. But I am sure those signs in your area have saved many kid's life, their parents will hold on to their children more tightly, knowing they are near dangerous predators.

Greta: there are signs all over the friggin place in Florida, Orlando, and inside Disney itself of the dangers of alligators and other nasty things in the local waters.
There were signs at the place these people were that clearly stated "No Swimming".
In sensible English (or American), that means to keep out of the fucking water.
It shouldn't have to specifically spell out every known danger within the waters; just to warn people keep out.

To NOT know about the aligators in Florida you'd have to be deaf, dumb, blind, and a complete moronic idiot.
Either that, or willfully and deliberately ignorant.

So to keep bleating about a holiday place where kids go that also happens to have alligators is just crazy.
Kids swim in Australian waters where there are sharks that are also known to attack people.
Central Africa has many places where people go for safari holidays where there are many things that'll kill you.
Research and due diligence is the order of the day no matter where you go.

Anyways, who the fuck goes to visit any place in the world without finding out about the place they are visiting before they actually get there??
That's just plain irresponsible.



PS: Alligator tails are delicious!! [:)]




MrRodgers -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 6:09:22 AM)


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Well in this case, people ignored "no swimming" signs in a place where 1000s of gaters inhabit the water.



But why would they put Disney land in a place where there is alligators!! That's so crazy!! Especially when it's the land for kids, loads of kids!!!

It is a man made lake of some 200 acres that drains into larger bodies of water that do have alligators that can sometimes enter.

It's max. depth is 14 ft. so they could have screened it off for at least some partial protection...yes.




Greta75 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 8:41:21 AM)

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Tourists would know if they paid any attention to the news. This isn't the first time a kid has been grabbed by a gator in Florida. And Disney does warn people about the dangers, people just don't always listen. They think they know better than the experts who work there and ignore signs. In this case they will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

I read that the only warning from Disney hotel about gators is in the informative booklet they give each guest about Florida in their rooms. But MOST tourists may just toss it aside and not read it.
Also, end of the day, it's a man-made beach, meant for kids to play in. Can't believe they do not secure the lagoon right at the beach from gators entering. If it's man made, there must be an architectural way to build it where water can come and go, but not gators!




Greta75 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 8:43:13 AM)


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Greta: there are signs all over the friggin place in Florida, Orlando, and inside Disney itself of the dangers of alligators and other nasty things in the local waters.
There were signs at the place these people were that clearly stated "No Swimming".
In sensible English (or American), that means to keep out of the fucking water.
It shouldn't have to specifically spell out every known danger within the waters; just to warn people keep out.


I cannot believe that all of you are insisting that "No swimming" means keep out of the water!
No Swimming means, NO Swimming, means Do Not Swim!
Sticking a foot inside the water is NOT Swimming.




Greta75 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 8:47:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: susie
On our very first trip to the USA, my parents and I spent our 2 weeks in Florida. We are from England. We were very aware that Florida has a couple of gators lurking in the State. We even drove across Alligator Alley and saw a few, not much of a surprise given where we were. So as tourists we were very aware of gators.

But you probably won't expect it in a Disney man made beach.




blnymph -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 9:06:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: susie
On our very first trip to the USA, my parents and I spent our 2 weeks in Florida. We are from England. We were very aware that Florida has a couple of gators lurking in the State. We even drove across Alligator Alley and saw a few, not much of a surprise given where we were. So as tourists we were very aware of gators.

But you probably won't expect it in a Disney man made beach.



But in Florida you should whether man made or not.




Greta75 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 9:23:16 AM)

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But in Florida you should whether man made or not.

Tourist who came from places who never seen an alligator in their lives or heard of one or understand how they work will not know. I mean, we have crocs here and not alligators, and I know crocs like to go on to the shore! And suntan on the dry land! But I don't know if alligators do that! If they do the same thing as crocs then damn! The kids need to stay off the beach too!
I think there is alot of things locals take for granted tourists should know.
I think generally when you go visit kiddy places made for kids, especially something as reputable as Disney. You expect it to be safe! Everywhere!




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 9:24:03 AM)


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Greta: there are signs all over the friggin place in Florida, Orlando, and inside Disney itself of the dangers of alligators and other nasty things in the local waters.
There were signs at the place these people were that clearly stated "No Swimming".
In sensible English (or American), that means to keep out of the fucking water.
It shouldn't have to specifically spell out every known danger within the waters; just to warn people keep out.


I cannot believe that all of you are insisting that "No swimming" means keep out of the water!
No Swimming means, NO Swimming, means Do Not Swim!
Sticking a foot inside the water is NOT Swimming.

Ahh right!!
You need everything specifically spelled out for you.

So you are one of those people who see a sign that says "Don't feed the fish" and wonder why your arm is ripped off by a shark. [8|]
...and your answer would be: "I wasn't feeding sharks!".

Or see a sign that says "Do not walk on the grass" and promptly ride your trials bike all over the lawn, ripping it to shreds.
And if you were stopped, you'd say you weren't walking on the grass. [:-]

Are you one of these people that need signs for every single insect that might bite you and possibly pass on some disease?
Do you need every condom packet to list every STD that it might protect you from??

Most signs are generic.
They don't spell out every conceivable danger or reason why the signs are there in the first place. Their purpose is to warn people of things.


Really Greta. You are soo obtuse and severely dense at times.
Are you really sooo naive as to take every sign quite literally, verbatim???





Lucylastic -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 9:26:28 AM)

Sadly the boys body has been found:( only two...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/15/nebraska-toddler-dragged-into-water-by-alligator-at-disney-resort-in-orlando/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw6&wpmm=1




Greta75 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 9:27:56 AM)

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So you are one of those people who see a sign that says "Don't feed the fish" and wonder why your arm is ripped off by a shark. [8|]
...and your answer would be: "I wasn't feeding sharks!".

Actually, if the sign says don't feed the fishes, and you see cute little small harmless fishes, and you feed them and then suddenly, a mighty shark jump up and ate your hand, YEA the damn sign better say, Sharks lurking in the waters! Do not feed the fishes!

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Most signs are generic.
They don't spell out every conceivable danger or reason why the signs are there in the first place. Their purpose is to warn people of things.


Seriously, look at the this sign at the Grand Floridan Resort. THIS is what Disney should have had!! If other resorts can put out proper signages. Why can't Disney? (PS: Being ignorant about places in Florida, I didn't know this is also owned by Disney but this MAKES IT WORST! They put proper sign on other waters near their resorts but NOT on their man made beach, WTF!)

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Shandirra -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 9:49:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Tourist who came from places who never seen an alligator in their lives or heard of one or understand how they work will not know. I mean, we have crocs here and not alligators, and I know crocs like to go on to the shore! And suntan on the dry land! But I don't know if alligators do that! If they do the same thing as crocs then damn! The kids need to stay off the beach too!
I think there is alot of things locals take for granted tourists should know.
I think generally when you go visit kiddy places made for kids, especially something as reputable as Disney. You expect it to be safe! Everywhere!


You are quite probably the densest troll I've ever seen.

Tourists should research any area they're about to visit. Florida is a state well known for swamp land and the creatures that inhabit those environments. Very dangerous creatures. Alligators are one of the Florida state tourist attractions. There's gator farms everywhere along the major roads. Alligator shows. Restaurants in Florida feature gator meat as a local delicacy. Any tourist who claims ignorance is a willful idiot.

Negligence is no excuse for calamity.

If you choose to willing be blind, obtuse , obdurate and lacking in common sense? You deserve whatever ill fortune befalls you. Whether a tourist or a native to the area.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What's going on in Florida! (6/16/2016 9:51:11 AM)

Those sort of signs are all over the place around Florida.
That doesn't mean they have to be copy-catted everywhere just in case an aligator might be around.

Perhaps they need one every 2" apart on every spare inch of ground - just in case someone was fucking stoopid enough to think that the gap between the signs is safe???

Jeeeez Greta. Get real. [8|]

If the sign says "No Swimming", it means the water is unsafe; for whatever reason. Period.

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Water Safety Signs
Signs that warn you of danger, are always: [general description]
  • They are placed to help you spot a hazard that is not always obvious
  • They mean that you should be aware of something.

    Signs that mean you should not do something, are always: [general description]
  • They inform you of things you are not supposed to do
  • These signs tell you that it would be dangerous to do something, or go in that place.

    Signs that mean you should do something, are always: [general description]
  • They inform you of things you need to do
  • These signs tell you that you should do something to be safe.





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