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Edwird -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/15/2016 10:01:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

*Yawn*

Keep quaking in fear there MM, we find you guys funny.


Now this is funny!

A punk who wears a badge so he can get away with being a punk without getting the crap beat out of him on a daily basis, as would occur otherwise.

Chickenshit to the max.




mnottertail -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/15/2016 10:10:20 PM)

No, thats not what you allowed, liar. You several times brought up on the thread an impugnation against honest, factual persons, when you are a fucking scumbag liar, to try to cover your cretinous tracks, and place your well deserved derision elsewhere, however, this general board with the exception of your fellow factless felching nutsuckers, know you are a repugnant piece of shit.

I never said they were in the same class, don't deflect from your fucking lies and constant spew of asswipe. Prove I said it, shiteater.


Your sniveling pathetic B comment is something you felched from somewhere else, prove I said it, toiletlicker. All you cockgargle proves exactly what we knew, you are a lying welfare patient. You haven't the fucking brains of an ice cube, and you are a dickwiggler.




Edwird -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/15/2016 10:24:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Ahhhh....here we go with the "...but the children..." argument.


Well, sort of.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-deland-shooting-chlidren-gun-20141112-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-year-old-alabama-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-sister-9/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/


But, they've learned and gotten much better at hitting larger targets, lately.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-2-accidentally-shoots-kills-mom-idaho-walmart-n277071

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

http://www.news4jax.com/web/wjxt/news/florida/putnam-county/4-year-old-shoots-mom-in-car

So yeah, I'm with you, bro.

It's time we put down all this mealy-mouthed "what about the children!" crap, and finally just come out with it:

"What about the adults!"






CreativeDominant -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 6:16:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Ahhhh....here we go with the "...but the children..." argument.


Well, sort of.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-deland-shooting-chlidren-gun-20141112-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-year-old-alabama-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-sister-9/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/


But, they've learned and gotten much better at hitting larger targets, lately.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-2-accidentally-shoots-kills-mom-idaho-walmart-n277071

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

http://www.news4jax.com/web/wjxt/news/florida/putnam-county/4-year-old-shoots-mom-in-car

So yeah, I'm with you, bro.

It's time we put down all this mealy-mouthed "what about the children!" crap, and finally just come out with it:

"What about the adults!"

If it's lives you're worried about...and not just the guns...the why don't you go join M.A.D.D.? How about pushing for anything that makes it a felony for a driver to have a cell phone? Push for states to follow Colorado's example which has the following in place:

Passenger restrictions
Teens with a permit:

Teens with a permit must be accompanied by a driving instructor, parent, legal guardian or a licensed adult 21 years of age or older (authorized by parent/guardian) in the front seat, buckled up.

Teens with a license:

> For the first six months, no passengers under 21, unless a parent or other licensed adult driver is in the vehicle.

> For the next six months, one passenger under age 21 (unsupervised).

> Siblings and passengers with medical emergencies are exceptions.

> At any time, no more than one passenger is allowed in the front seat.

Mandatory seat belts
By law, ALL teen drivers and passengers must wear seat belts (no sharing!).

Cell phones and texting banned
Teens under age 18 are prohibited from using a cell phone while driving. Teens can be fined and may risk losing their license. Exceptions include emergency calls to the police or fire department.

Curfew
For the first year as a licensed driver, your teen must abide by a curfew—no driving between midnight and 5 a.m. unless accompanied by an instructor, parent or legal guardian. Exceptions include: driving to/from school/work (signed statement from school/work required), medical emergencies and emancipated minors.

Curfew laws may vary by city or county. To properly follow the curfew in your area, please confirm restrictions with your local government.

Zero tolerance for drunk driving
Eight young people die every day in the U.S. in alcohol-related crashes. Talk with your teen about the dangers of driving drunk or riding with someone who has used alcohol or drugs. Driving under the influence of alcohol—even a trace of alcohol on minor drivers—is punishable by law.

Take note of that last paragraph...8 teens die every day in alcohol-related crashes in the U. S. alone. That's 240 a month. Approximately 2900/year.

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Owning a weapon is a right. Seems to me that if you're really an advocate for saving lives...and not just a gun grabber...the area where teens are granted the privilege to drive...but have no legal right to do so...might be a good place to start.




Musicmystery -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 12:57:33 PM)

What makes you think passing sensible gun control precludes other sensible laws as well?

Kool-Aid does strange things to one's brain, apparently.




ifmaz -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 1:58:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Ahhhh....here we go with the "...but the children..." argument.


Well, sort of.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-deland-shooting-chlidren-gun-20141112-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-year-old-alabama-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-sister-9/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/


But, they've learned and gotten much better at hitting larger targets, lately.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-2-accidentally-shoots-kills-mom-idaho-walmart-n277071

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946

http://www.news4jax.com/web/wjxt/news/florida/putnam-county/4-year-old-shoots-mom-in-car

So yeah, I'm with you, bro.

It's time we put down all this mealy-mouthed "what about the children!" crap, and finally just come out with it:

"What about the adults!"



Clearly we should ban children before they kill us all.




WhoreMods -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 2:30:17 PM)

Just ask Ray Bradbury.
[:D]




CreativeDominant -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 3:37:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What makes you think passing sensible gun control precludes other sensible laws as well?

Kool-Aid does strange things to one's brain, apparently.

We have sensible gun laws in place. Such as NOT being able to buy a fully automatic assault weapon. Such as having background checks. Federal law prohibits the sale of long guns to anyone under 18 and the sale of handguns to anyone under 21...by licensed dealers. Where federal law does not govern sales...in terms of the age of the buyer... by unlicensed dealers, most states do. With a very few exceptions, conviction of a felony...any kind of felony...takes away your right to own a gun.

A federal law forbidding sales of handguns to those under 21 is under consideration. I'd back that. Not letting someone who is under investigation by the FBI or the NSA or whoever buy a gun is NOT something I could back. Takes away two rights...the right to have a gun AND the right to presumption of innocence. Hilary has been under investigation by the FBI...hasn't stopped her run for President.
A test for mental capacity to own a gun? Whose test? "Right" answers determined by who?

I'm not a fan of Kool-Aid...too sugary-sweet and full of rainbows from whoever promotes it. But I'm not in favor of continuously making it more difficult to exercise a right.





mnottertail -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 3:54:25 PM)

We dont have sensible gun laws in place it is easy to buy a gun without a background check. Federal law does not prohibit the selling of guns in private transactions to anyone of any age.

You can buy guns in many states at gunshows, the states by and large do not trade information with NICS including mental defectives.

There is a lot of shit that can be tightened up. Glad to see you arent backing any of this nutsucker voting restrictions to honest citizens and glad to see you are giving women the right to chose.

Glad to see that you are backing LGBT rights and marraige in a big way too.





CreativeDominant -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 6:12:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

We dont have sensible gun laws in place it is easy to buy a gun without a background check. Federal law does not prohibit the selling of guns in private transactions to anyone of any age.

You can buy guns in many states at gunshows, the states by and large do not trade information with NICS including mental defectives.

There is a lot of shit that can be tightened up. Glad to see you arent backing any of this nutsucker voting restrictions to honest citizens and glad to see you are giving women the right to chose.

Glad to see that you are backing LGBT rights and marraige in a big way too.

Actually, you aren't completely right about Federal Law:

http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-firearms-policy-summary/

(From the above site)
Federal law in this area distinguishes between long guns (rifles and shotguns) and handguns, and between gun possession and gun sales. Federal law also distinguishes between licensed and unlicensed gun sellers.
Minimum Age for Gun Sales and Transfers:
Under federal law – Handguns Long Guns (Rifles and Shotguns)
Licensed firearms dealers Dealers may not sell or deliver a handgun or ammunition for a handgun to any person the dealer has reasonable cause to believe is under age 21.8
Dealers may not sell or deliver a long gun, or ammunition for a long gun, to any person the dealer has reasonable cause to believe is under age 18.9
Unlicensed persons Unlicensed persons may not sell, deliver or otherwise transfer a handgun or handgun ammunition to any person the transferor has reasonable cause to believe is under age 18, with certain exceptions*.10
Unlicensed persons may sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a long gun or long gun ammunition to a person of any age.

Minimum Age for Gun Possession: Federal law prohibits, with certain exceptions*, the possession of a handgun or handgun ammunition by any person under the age of 18.11
Federal law provides no minimum age for the possession of long guns or long gun ammunition.
*Exceptions: Federal law provides exceptions for the temporary transfer and possession of handguns and handgun ammunition for specified activities, including employment, ranching, farming, target practice and hunting.12

Several states and the District of Columbia impose minimum age requirements that extend beyond those contained in federal law. Those laws generally fall into four categories:
Laws imposing a minimum age for all handgun purchases, from licensed or unlicensed sellers;

Laws imposing a minimum age for all long gun purchases, from licensed or unlicensed sellers;

Laws imposing age requirements for possession of handguns that are stricter than federal law; and

Laws imposing a minimum age for possession of long guns.
Additional information about laws preventing child access to firearms is included in our summary on Child Access Prevention.

Minimum Ages for Firearms

The chart for this did not copy correctly. For a state by state review, go to the site.

Description of State Laws Governing Minimum Age to Purchase and Possess Firearms
For citations to these laws, please see the chart above.
1. States Imposing Minimum Age Requirements for All Firearm Purchases: Although federal law prohibits licensed dealers from selling long guns to persons under 18, there is no federal regulation of the sale of long guns by unlicensed dealers to minors. Similarly, while federal law prohibits handgun sales by licensed dealers to persons under 21, unlicensed dealers are prohibited only from selling handguns to persons under 18. As listed above, many states have imposed a minimum age for the purchase of all firearms, regardless of whether they are purchased from a licensed firearms dealer.
2. States with Stricter Minimum Age Requirements for Possession of Handguns than Federal Law: Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York and the District of Columbia impose minimum age requirements for the possession of handguns which are stricter than the federal minimum of 18. Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and the District of Columbia75 allow handgun possession only by persons 21 or older; New Mexico requires persons to be at least 19 in order to possess a handgun. Maryland provides that persons must be at least 21 to possess “regulated firearms,” defined as handguns and assault weapons.
3. States Imposing Minimum Age Requirements for Possession of Long Guns: While federal law prohibits federally licensed firearms dealers from selling a long gun to anyone under 18, there is no federal minimum age for possession of a long gun. Some states have closed this gap, and impose a minimum age at which persons can possess any firearms (including long guns). Montana limits long gun possession to children 14 and over. Alaska, Minnesota and New York limit possession of long guns to persons age 16 and over. Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah, Washington and Wisconsin limit possession of long guns to persons 18 or over. Many of these laws contain exceptions which allow younger children to possess long guns where the minor’s parent or guardian is present, or when the minor is engaged in hunting or target shooting. In Illinois, persons must obtain a Firearm Owners Identification or “FOID” card in order to lawfully purchase or possess a long gun. Persons must be 21 or older to be eligible to obtain a FOID card, or have written consent of a parent or guardian. Likewise, in the District of Columbia, no one under the age of 21 may obtain a registration certificate, which prevents such individuals from lawfully possessing a firearm, although the Chief of Police may issue a registration certificate to an applicant between the ages of 18 and 21 years old if the application is accompanied by a notarized statement of the applicant’s parent or guardian.
SELECTED LOCAL LAW
New York City
As noted above, New York State limits handgun purchase or possession to people age 21 or older, but does not impose a minimum age for purchase or possession of rifles and shotguns. In New York City, however, no person under age 21 may be granted a permit or license to purchase, possess or carry any firearm, with certain exceptions. It is also unlawful to transfer a firearm to any person under age 21 unless he or she is exempted. A person under 21 may carry, fire or use a rifle or shotgun without being subject to the permit requirement if he or she is in the presence of, or under the direct supervision of, a permit holder, or engaged in a military drill, competition, or target practice at a firing range.76

I agree, some shit should be tightened up...the background checks is a good example.

As for the rest. I've noted before I do not oppose a woman's right to choose. Unfettered? No.

I support gay marriage. Just got back from a vacation visiting my lesbian's cousin and her marriage partner and another gay cousin who just broke it off with his fiance. I've sat and listened to gay friends and gay patients this week. I don't honestly care if he wants to marry he or she wants to marry she. There's bigger problems in the world.




mrevibo -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 6:39:42 PM)

Again with the gun shows. The vast majority, and I mean vast, of 4473 stuff for sale at gun shows is by dealers, who are required to follow the same laws there as they are at their stores, that is, fill the 4473 form and have a NICS check. To get something that's off paperwork, you have to flag down Cletus or Billy Bob that has a shot-out Mosin Nagant or Grand-dad's single shot 12 gauge slung over his shoulder.




dcnovice -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 6:50:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mrevibo

Again with the gun shows. The vast majority, and I mean vast, of 4473 stuff for sale at gun shows is by dealers, who are required to follow the same laws there as they are at their stores, that is, fill the 4473 form and have a NICS check. To get something that's off paperwork, you have to flag down Cletus or Billy Bob that has a shot-out Mosin Nagant or Grand-dad's single shot 12 gauge slung over his shoulder.

If a customer buys a gun at a show, does s/he take it home then or pick it up once the background check is done?




ifmaz -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 6:54:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice


quote:

ORIGINAL: mrevibo

Again with the gun shows. The vast majority, and I mean vast, of 4473 stuff for sale at gun shows is by dealers, who are required to follow the same laws there as they are at their stores, that is, fill the 4473 form and have a NICS check. To get something that's off paperwork, you have to flag down Cletus or Billy Bob that has a shot-out Mosin Nagant or Grand-dad's single shot 12 gauge slung over his shoulder.

If a customer buys a gun at a show, does s/he take it home then or pick it up once the background check is done?


If the purchaser is buying from an FFL, a NICS check is conducted on the spot. These usually take a few minutes but could take several days, in which case the customer must return; they do not walk out of the show/shop with a firearm. After 3 business days if the NICS check has not returned it's a default "go" and the sale can proceed.

NICS is unavailable to non-FFL holders.

More info @ https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet




dcnovice -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 6:57:40 PM)

Thanks!




mrevibo -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 7:28:42 PM)

And if you do pass your NICS check in that few minutes, unless the state you live in has some annoying waiting period, you do walk right out with it.




mnottertail -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 8:14:40 PM)

And many sellers are not FFL holders. So,that is that they are skirting the law. And CD, I know what the real laws federal and state are (all federal and mostly my state, but I border two others so I know theres fairly well too). I dont need to go to no site. I got the book and the paper, and the NICS and the ATF.




dcnovice -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 8:22:41 PM)

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some annoying waiting period

Well, we all have our crosses to bear.




mrevibo -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 8:50:32 PM)

There may be a few non FFL sellers wandering among the others attending the show, but it's really not that many, and they're usually not selling anything really good.




DaddySatyr -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 9:48:23 PM)


"Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms" should be a convenience store; NOT a Federal Agency!



Michael




Kirata -> RE: 38 min. to buy AR-15, run on them in Orlando (6/16/2016 9:54:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

"Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms" should be a convenience store; NOT a Federal Agency!

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