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Again with the gun shows. The vast majority, and I mean vast, of 4473 stuff for sale at gun shows is by dealers, who are required to follow the same laws there as they are at their stores, that is, fill the 4473 form and have a NICS check. To get something that's off paperwork, you have to flag down Cletus or Billy Bob that has a shot-out Mosin Nagant or Grand-dad's single shot 12 gauge slung over his shoulder.

If a customer buys a gun at a show, does s/he take it home then or pick it up once the background check is done?

In most states a background check is "instantaneous". So they go home with it. In some states they have waiting periods. The waiting period is ten days here in California.

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No, and I don't put out fires often either, but I have fire extinguishers. Ask the Korean businessmen in LA after the Rodney King riots, or in Ferguson, what they found effective in protecting what was theirs.

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They come out a lot faster depending on the weapon.

It's silly to pretend that doesn't matter.

the OP is whats silly anti-constitutionalist, rights denialaist whichever you prefer.

who gives a rats ass how long it takes to purchase items the people have a full right to purchase.

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Federal NICS is "instant", which means however long it takes, but they've more than kept up with the record demand, and usually comes back in a couple of minutes. I can remember taking 20-30 minutes was pretty normal. If there's brokenness somewhere, after three days no refusal means approval by default. If I'm not mistaken, there are a few states which have their own check as well. Then there are waiting periods, but we don't have one, so I've always been cash and carry.

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Federal NICS is "instant", which means however long it takes, but they've more than kept up with the record demand, and usually comes back in a couple of minutes. I can remember taking 20-30 minutes was pretty normal. If there's brokenness somewhere, after three days no refusal means approval by default. If I'm not mistaken, there are a few states which have their own check as well. Then there are waiting periods, but we don't have one, so I've always been cash and carry.

California has more layers than other parts of the country and a waiting period. Of course we have people who know more about the details than I do. I haven't been in CA in forty years and didn't buy any firearms when I was.

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Federal NICS is "instant", which means however long it takes, but they've more than kept up with the record demand, and usually comes back in a couple of minutes. I can remember taking 20-30 minutes was pretty normal. If there's brokenness somewhere, after three days no refusal means approval by default. If I'm not mistaken, there are a few states which have their own check as well. Then there are waiting periods, but we don't have one, so I've always been cash and carry.

California has more layers than other parts of the country and a waiting period. Of course we have people who know more about the details than I do. I haven't been in CA in forty years and didn't buy any firearms when I was.

California does a 4473 like everywhere but the background check goes through the CA Dept. of Justice instead of NICS and there is a ten day "cooling off"/wait period. California didn't like the National Law that provides instant checks because part of that law requires that all of the data submitted to the government to be checked must be deleted once an approval is issued. California keeps the records on which of its citizens buy guns.

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Federal NICS is "instant", which means however long it takes, but they've more than kept up with the record demand, and usually comes back in a couple of minutes. I can remember taking 20-30 minutes was pretty normal. If there's brokenness somewhere, after three days no refusal means approval by default. If I'm not mistaken, there are a few states which have their own check as well. Then there are waiting periods, but we don't have one, so I've always been cash and carry.

California has more layers than other parts of the country and a waiting period. Of course we have people who know more about the details than I do. I haven't been in CA in forty years and didn't buy any firearms when I was.

California does a 4473 like everywhere but the background check goes through the CA Dept. of Justice instead of NICS and there is a ten day "cooling off"/wait period. California didn't like the National Law that provides instant checks because part of that law requires that all of the data submitted to the government to be checked must be deleted once an approval is issued. California keeps the records on which of its citizens buy guns.

Thank you.
Can they get the same data that they would get through NICS?

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The interesting thing is, the State of California has every gun law, and more, that the whinny liberals say are just "reasonable" laws and it hasn't stopped the gang bangers and drug people from shooting each other in the least.

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They already do, and I will engage in civil conversation when you quit projecting your fucking lies, welfare patient.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/16/AR2010111600088.html

Not everywhere, you mean lies like calling you a welfare patient? Oh wait it's you that keeps repeating that lie about me.

That is not a lie and I have demonstrated it, you shitbreathing twatwaffle.

The only evidence you have presented is that I live in Alabama. That isn't proof, that is bigotry. So yes it is a lie.

Nope, I presented much more evidence than that. So they tack on years on gun crimes. SCOTUS says its right there in the constitution,..everything is ok. Thats been done, sure it is a nutsucker measure, aint done shit, what other anti-gun laws does a fucking welfare patient and gungrabber such as you got?

A Where in the Constitution does it say you tack extra time on a sentance if a firearm is used.
B Who is my doctor?
C What am I being treated for?
D What welfare agency is paying for my treatment?

Bama dont try and act intelligent, you are too fucking stupid. Where in the constitution does it say murder is illegal? You ask your doctor the rest of the stuff there, dont worry welfare pays for it.

Real answers

A It doesn't
B You have no idea
C You have no idea
D You have no idea

True answeres

A It doesn't
B I don't have one
C I am not
D So nobody is paying for anything

If you could prove I was a welfare patient you would have to know these things.

And now you have added my being a gungrabber to your delusions?
You who admit that the only problem you have with any anti gun law is that they don't complete the job?

God it is fun watching you debate yourself.

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The interesting thing is, the State of California has every gun law, and more, that the whinny liberals say are just "reasonable" laws and it hasn't stopped the gang bangers and drug people from shooting each other in the least.

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The interesting thing is, the State of California has every gun law, and more, that the whinny liberals say are just "reasonable" laws and it hasn't stopped the gang bangers and drug people from shooting each other in the least.

And at least two of the three attacks before Orlando were in California and the other was in Colorado where they also have universal background checks.

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The interesting thing is, the State of California has every gun law, and more, that the whinny liberals say are just "reasonable" laws and it hasn't stopped the gang bangers and drug people from shooting each other in the least.

And at least two of the three attacks before Orlando were in California and the other was in Colorado where they also have universal background checks.

How many people commit felonies in spite of the law? Every day of the year there are 22 people in california denied guns due to background checks.....thats 22 less San Bernadinos a day. Colorado background checks didnt start until 2013, Aurora was 2012. And since both these laws are less than 5 years old, because (and I am not sure exactly but I think CA was 2013 as well) we know there are a lot of guns in bad guys hands from all the time before.

I think the whinny (LOLOLOLOL) pants shitting, toiletlicking nutsuckers have made a plethora of druglaws, and even just said no, and perhaps should repeal all laws since......well, haven't quite slogged thru the stupidity of their arguments, they actually are unfathomable.

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The best way to deter terrorists from shooting people is arm everybody. If the terrorists know they are going to have bullets coming back at them, maybe they will think twice before starting.

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I believe France is a gun-free country but that didn't stop the Paris attack from happening. I think Belgium is another gun-free country and that didn't stop their terror attacks from happening either.

The best way to deter terrorists from shooting people is arm everybody. If the terrorists know they are going to have bullets coming back at them, maybe they will think twice before starting.

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The best way to deter terrorists from shooting people is arm everybody. If the terrorists know they are going to have bullets coming back at them, maybe they will think twice before starting.

Which is why there are more terrorist attacks in gun free countries than in ones with constitutionally protected rights to bear arms, or course. Loads more terrorism in Japan than there is in the 'States...