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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:36:07 PM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?
So what you're saying is: It's important for suspected terrorists to be able to buy firearms because they're not actually terrorists until they use them. Yeah. And police shouldn't arrest people on the basis of probable cause either.


If they have probable cause they should arrest them.
The fact that they don't means one of two things.

A They aren't doing thier jobs, and if they won't enforce the law what good would more laws do?

or

B They don't have probable cause. This is the problem with the watch lists is that they don't require any actual proof. Don't you think there should be proof before penaltes?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:39:42 PM   
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Prove it? It's common knowledge -- out of 330 mass murders last year, not even a handful were Muslim.

Did you think the rest were ETs?

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+white+supremist+mass+murders&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


So because they weren't muslim they were white supremacists and right wingers? Check the party registrations of the ones that had it, and any manifestos or such that they'd written.


The lies people tell themselves.

If a white guy goes into a black church and guns people down he is a "troubled youth".

If a Muslim so much as farts at the dinner table he is doing it for the Jihad.

It is far harder to see other people as people when they aren't from your little social clique, isn't it? Idiot rednecks like Dylan Roof? Well you can't imagine doing that, so that has to be out of character. But those Muslims, they dress funny and talk funny and keep to themselves. They're probably all potentially dangerous, right?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:49:35 PM   
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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 3:59:03 PM   
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Prove it? It's common knowledge -- out of 330 mass murders last year, not even a handful were Muslim.

Did you think the rest were ETs?

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+white+supremist+mass+murders&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


So because they weren't muslim they were white supremacists and right wingers? Check the party registrations of the ones that had it, and any manifestos or such that they'd written.

There were not 330 mass murders last year so the rest of your proclimation is worthless.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 4:02:14 PM   
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Where are all these attacks by white supremacists and right wing terrorists that you people keep talking about? Of course, being white as the wind driven snow, I'm unlikely to witness such a thing, but the "news" media wouldn't let us sleep if something like that happened. Even if the guy in Orlando hadn't been a muslim, he was still a registered 'rat, two time obama voter, and hitlery supporter.

This myth comes from a crowd sourced web site with all "reports" accepted without question even to the extent that they don't make sure aware hasn't typed in the same fictional shooting 20 times.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 4:16:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im sorry Bama they have links to every reported shooting. id like to see your proof that they have covered a shooting 20 times.
have you actually looked at the interactive map?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 5:19:00 PM   
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Prove it? It's common knowledge -- out of 330 mass murders last year, not even a handful were Muslim.

Did you think the rest were ETs?

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+white+supremist+mass+murders&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


So because they weren't muslim they were white supremacists and right wingers? Check the party registrations of the ones that had it, and any manifestos or such that they'd written.

There were not 330 mass murders last year so the rest of your proclimation is worthless.

Then you say all worthless shit, you are out of the threads since you stated the cretinous lie that you cant use a 223 for deer hunting, but of course you can in most states.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 6:41:46 PM   
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So, it's ok with these people to deny not just constitutional, but fundamental rights to people without due process, simply because they think these people might be naughty?


And, they'll bend over backwards to criticize "Stop and Frisk" policies (rightly so, btw). Just hypocrisy standard fare from the Left.




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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 6:46:07 PM   
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Yes, I know Im talking Mass Shootings, NOT mass Murders.... But Still there were 372 mass shootings in 2015... Killing 475 And Injuring 1,870 According to a PBS link.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2015-the-year-of-mass-shootings/


Washington post from the day after the Oregon Shooting, With a list of them by date.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/

An Interesting POV on Concealed carry deaths from last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/opinion/concealed-carrys-body-count.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share&_r=5



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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 7:31:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, you have Dylan Roof, a white guy that doesn't like black people, you may be able to make the case he was a white supremacist, but what was his party affiliation, and is there any evidence his religious leaders drove him to the state of mind to do what he did? And a guy that took offense to abortions, which I don't have a problem with, even being nonreligious, but I don't go shooting the clinics up. However, you're coming up with scattered incidents, not a pervasive culture among the right, certainly, nor even the white supremacists from what I've seen.

The other question is what constitutes "mass" in mass killings? If it's four people, that would have you including someone that went in to kill everyone in a family for whatever reason, but accomplishes that and doesn't continue an open-ended spree. I'm skeptical.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 7:56:56 PM   
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The other question is what constitutes "mass" in mass killings? If it's four people, that would have you including someone that went in to kill everyone in a family for whatever reason, but accomplishes that and doesn't continue an open-ended spree. I'm skeptical.

What's your minimum corpse quota?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 7:58:49 PM   
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If a white guy goes into a black church and guns people down he is a "troubled youth".

If a white guy goes into a black church and gun down people, his someone who hates black people.

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If a Muslim so much as farts at the dinner table he is doing it for the Jihad.

Interesting thing about orlando shooter is one black african american survival who was trapped in the bathroom, claim he was spared because he was black. The shooter practically told him, he has no beef with black people.


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 8:00:53 PM   
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What's your minimum corpse quota?

If only Zero guns equals zero corpse. Then sure, ban all guns. Minimum corpse quota goal should be zero! But we'd still have corpse. And since guns technically isn't the weapon that causes the most corpse in the USA. That theory doesn't stand.


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 8:04:09 PM   
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Yes, I know Im talking Mass Shootings, NOT mass Murders.... But Still there were 372 mass shootings in 2015... Killing 475 And Injuring 1,870 According to a PBS link.

Why wouldn't you want to look at eliminating mass murders as a whole, and look at a realistic holistic solution that could reduce ALL types of mass murders? Why just think guns are THE culprit of mass murders, when statistic shows, it's not, it's not even the top cause for deaths that happens?


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 8:42:44 PM   
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Are you aware, ness, that Teddy Roosevelt wanted every elementary school in this country to have a gun range? So that 10 and 12 year olds could be taught to use them?



Are you aware he was kind of a nutjob?

Nutjob ? You have no idea of anything because you were born into a time when everything was already fucked up. Teddy Roosevelt was a great statesman and loyal to this country and wanted to see the best for it. You owuld be hard pressed to find that of any of his successors.

you call him that then you have no idea what it means to be a conservative, and I do not means the fucking slime in the government who claim to be. True conservatives are just about extinct, the neo-conmen of these days are in no way conservative. Conservative means you have a desire to conserve, not install banks and BP and Exxon oil pumps in every country. Conservative does not mean a half a fucking trillion dollar offense budget. The real conservatives are gone.

The real conservatives, really, they would give less, but they would take less. Stop the devaluation of the money so people could retire on their savings, but give them less. Also lower the taxation so they can save more. And don't give their tax money to fucking bums and drug addicts. That is conservative.

Going against abortion rights and Women's rights, and even the queers (and I use that term broadly just to encompass everyone) is NOT conservative. conservative means stay the fuck out of people's lives, and wallets.

There are zero conservatives in the government.

Get the word right - neocon. A neo, meaning new, confidence Man, colloquially referred to as a conman.

A conservative also wants to preserve and/or restore society. Well I will tell you this, I wish I was living in the 1950s or 1960s right now. That was a great time for this country and if we could do it without the bigotry and a few other things it would be great. But there is no turning back the hands of time.

Looking at how the world is going, I am not afraid of dying. I am afraid of living. They are fucking the place up as fast as they can.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 9:07:06 PM   
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Islamic terrorist attack and kill 49 Americans and people like you want to make it about gay rights and your paranoia of guns.
This is not a reason to push gun control but an excuse.

It's far from clear that it was an "Islamic terrorist attack" at this point in time. It may have been, it might not have been. Categorical statements attributing blame on Islamists exclusively are unhelpful at this point.

There are 3 differing factors that are being examined for Orlando - Islamist terrorism, homophobia/gay hate and reckless use of firearms/gun control. There are debates occurring about the first and last of these factors. The only factor that we can identify with any certainty at this point is homophobia/gay hate. Oddly enough this is the factor that many people are silent about.

It might well turn out to be the case that there was some combination of these three factors motivating the thug, or that homophobia/gay hate remains the only identifiable factor. In that case, people who categorically attribute blame to another factor and specifically exclude homophobia/gay hate are going to look rather stupid.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 9:11:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		They are always going to do that, that is what they do.

However, they are every bit as stupid as the republicans who voted for bills to repeal the ACA. Not only could they not pass, they new they did not have a vetoproof congress, and also knew that Obama would never sign it. It was a waste of time.

And so is this, the supreme court has spoken and that is that. Pass any law you want but it will not be enforceable.

Both sides are a bunch of assholes who just do what they're paid to do, by the Clinton, Gates for example, and the Koch brothers, the Rothschilds, the Mellons, the Monsantos. Who works for us ?

Fillibuster all you want assholes, at least you aren't doing much other damage. Stall yourself and just STOP. We do not need any more laws at all, and if you get a gun bill through it is going to have pass muster with the supreme court. And Obama is not getting his liberal on there and that is that. They done told him so and you know what ?

That is EXACTLY what checks and balances means. Each branch of government stops the others from doing certain things. This is how it works folks and this is how it is supposed to work.

And we got people running for President who do not know the limitations of the power of that office.

Yeah, we're in great shape.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 9:15:32 PM   
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Islamic terrorist attack and kill 49 Americans and people like you want to make it about gay rights and your paranoia of guns.
This is not a reason to push gun control but an excuse.

It's far from clear that it was an "Islamic terrorist attack" at this point in time. It may have been, it might not have been. Categorical statements attributing blame on Islamists exclusively are unhelpful at this point.

There are 3 differing factors that are being examined for Orlando - Islamist terrorism, homophobia/gay hate and reckless use of firearms/gun control. There are debates occurring about the first and last of these factors. The only factor that we can identify with any certainty at this point is homophobia/gay hate. Oddly enough this is the factor that many people are silent about.

It might well turn out to be the case that there was some combination of these three factors motivating the thug, or that homophobia/gay hate remains the only identifiable factor. In that case, people who categorically attribute blame to another factor and specifically exclude homophobia/gay hate are going to look rather stupid.


Homophobia and Gay hate ? Muslims are brimming with it. Ask them.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 9:20:22 PM   
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Islamic terrorist attack and kill 49 Americans and people like you want to make it about gay rights and your paranoia of guns.
This is not a reason to push gun control but an excuse.

It's far from clear that it was an "Islamic terrorist attack" at this point in time. It may have been, it might not have been. Categorical statements attributing blame on Islamists exclusively are unhelpful at this point.

There are 3 differing factors that are being examined for Orlando - Islamist terrorism, homophobia/gay hate and reckless use of firearms/gun control. There are debates occurring about the first and last of these factors. The only factor that we can identify with any certainty at this point is homophobia/gay hate. Oddly enough this is the factor that many people are silent about.

It might well turn out to be the case that there was some combination of these three factors motivating the thug, or that homophobia/gay hate remains the only identifiable factor. In that case, people who categorically attribute blame to another factor and specifically exclude homophobia/gay hate are going to look rather stupid.


Homophobia and Gay hate ? Muslims are brimming with it. Ask them.

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Muslims don't have a monopoly on homophobia/gay hate. No one does.

From what I can see of the US, Muslims don't make an awful lot of noise about gays. Especially when compared to many of the more fundamentalist Xians, who seem obsessed with homosexuality (for reasons that might be fun to speculate about).

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 9:22:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"It's far from clear that it was an "Islamic terrorist attack" at this point in time. It may have been, it might not have been. "

The guy calls 911 and swears allegiance to Islam and you think that does not indicate anything ?

Not to worry, these nice, civilised people will be coming to your country soon. Sweden learned their lesson, so will you. You think just because someone walks upright they are a person and not an animal ? You will be forced to reconsider that opinion if you live long enough.

I want nobody coming here, and I mean nobody. Even on an H1B visa. If nobody in this country can do it the it doesn't get done. PAY TO EDUCATE THE YOUNG, industry. The knowledge is there but they are too busy indoctrinating to teach any engineering and all that.

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