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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 9:25:51 PM   
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Islamic terrorist attack and kill 49 Americans and people like you want to make it about gay rights and your paranoia of guns.
This is not a reason to push gun control but an excuse.

It's far from clear that it was an "Islamic terrorist attack" at this point in time. It may have been, it might not have been. Categorical statements attributing blame on Islamists exclusively are unhelpful at this point.

There are 3 differing factors that are being examined for Orlando - Islamist terrorism, homophobia/gay hate and reckless use of firearms/gun control. There are debates occurring about the first and last of these factors. The only factor that we can identify with any certainty at this point is homophobia/gay hate. Oddly enough this is the factor that many people are silent about.

It might well turn out to be the case that there was some combination of these three factors motivating the thug, or that homophobia/gay hate remains the only identifiable factor. In that case, people who categorically attribute blame to another factor and specifically exclude homophobia/gay hate are going to look rather stupid.

All we have is his and ISIS's claim that it was, but anything rather than believe that not just the majority but that every single Moslem in the world are good people.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 9:32:58 PM   
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"Especially when compared to many of the more fundamentalist Xians, who seem obsessed with homosexuality (for reasons that might be fun to speculate about). "

Oh, tell me about it. A guy who used to hang with fagbashers actually wanted to suck my dick.

I think a good piece of people hating is that they hate a part of themself. I was like "How did we get here ?". and he had plenty of Women over the years, and OK he is bi. But in younger years beating up Gays ? What does that tell you ?

Know what it tells me ? The old guy back when I was a kid telling me I should get my hair cut, look like a girl and all this shit, really didn't like long hair.

Did I mention he was bald ? (not by choice)

I have made quite a study of people's motivations for what they say and do. If I ever write about it, I will have to host it because it will be multiple parts, or else I will get "TLDR". But really, I don't even feel like writing it. The time it will take because of my eyesight and then the editing which is even worse, and the limited audience it just seems like it would not be worth the effort.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 10:00:26 PM   
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"Especially when compared to many of the more fundamentalist Xians, who seem obsessed with homosexuality (for reasons that might be fun to speculate about). "

Oh, tell me about it. A guy who used to hang with fagbashers actually wanted to suck my dick.

I think a good piece of people hating is that they hate a part of themself. I was like "How did we get here ?". and he had plenty of Women over the years, and OK he is bi. But in younger years beating up Gays ? What does that tell you ?

Know what it tells me ? The old guy back when I was a kid telling me I should get my hair cut, look like a girl and all this shit, really didn't like long hair.

Did I mention he was bald ? (not by choice)

I have made quite a study of people's motivations for what they say and do. If I ever write about it, I will have to host it because it will be multiple parts, or else I will get "TLDR". But really, I don't even feel like writing it. The time it will take because of my eyesight and then the editing which is even worse, and the limited audience it just seems like it would not be worth the effort.

T^T

And now she is talking bad about Mnottertail.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 10:38:14 PM   
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"Especially when compared to many of the more fundamentalist Xians, who seem obsessed with homosexuality (for reasons that might be fun to speculate about). "

Oh, tell me about it. A guy who used to hang with fagbashers actually wanted to suck my dick.

I think a good piece of people hating is that they hate a part of themself. I was like "How did we get here ?". and he had plenty of Women over the years, and OK he is bi. But in younger years beating up Gays ? What does that tell you ?

Know what it tells me ? The old guy back when I was a kid telling me I should get my hair cut, look like a girl and all this shit, really didn't like long hair.

Did I mention he was bald ? (not by choice)

I have made quite a study of people's motivations for what they say and do. If I ever write about it, I will have to host it because it will be multiple parts, or else I will get "TLDR". But really, I don't even feel like writing it. The time it will take because of my eyesight and then the editing which is even worse, and the limited audience it just seems like it would not be worth the effort.

T^T

And now she is talking bad about Mnottertail.

No, she is saying that you are a shiteating fuckwhistle welfare patient and RIF loser, bamad. Glad you have now additionally came out of the closet, I am proud of you for that.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:07:20 PM   
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We need some real gun control passed here in America. These mass murders are getting disgusting. I am tired of wannabe cowboys and their master, the NRA from passing common sense laws. Tough shit if you can't buy a military style gun. I am all for people having the right to arm themselves for protection and going hunting, but you don't need machine guns for that. There should be a background check for all guns. This shit will end. Enough is enough.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:19:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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"Especially when compared to many of the more fundamentalist Xians, who seem obsessed with homosexuality (for reasons that might be fun to speculate about). "

Oh, tell me about it. A guy who used to hang with fagbashers actually wanted to suck my dick.

I think a good piece of people hating is that they hate a part of themself. I was like "How did we get here ?". and he had plenty of Women over the years, and OK he is bi. But in younger years beating up Gays ? What does that tell you ?

Know what it tells me ? The old guy back when I was a kid telling me I should get my hair cut, look like a girl and all this shit, really didn't like long hair.

Did I mention he was bald ? (not by choice)

I have made quite a study of people's motivations for what they say and do. If I ever write about it, I will have to host it because it will be multiple parts, or else I will get "TLDR". But really, I don't even feel like writing it. The time it will take because of my eyesight and then the editing which is even worse, and the limited audience it just seems like it would not be worth the effort.

T^T

And now she is talking bad about Mnottertail.

No, she is saying that you are a shiteating fuckwhistle welfare patient and RIF loser, bamad. Glad you have now additionally came out of the closet, I am proud of you for that.

A She wasn't talking to me

and

B You are the only person here obssesed with nutsucking.

And now you are telling another lie claiming that I have come out of the closet.
Particularly since there is no closet to come out of.
Do you just sit around thinking of lies to tell about people, or do they just come to you lke they did Edgar Rice Burroughs?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:41:24 PM   
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Whatever Burroughs motivation in writing Tarzan, one can only blame/credit him for messing with boys minds reading about or watching the half-clad Jane romping around in the jungle.



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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:46:15 PM   
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We need some real gun control passed here in America. These mass murders are getting disgusting. I am tired of wannabe cowboys and their master, the NRA from passing common sense laws. Tough shit if you can't buy a military style gun. I am all for people having the right to arm themselves for protection and going hunting, but you don't need machine guns for that. There should be a background check for all guns. This shit will end. Enough is enough.

You are clearly unaware that it is almost impossible to legally obtain a machine gun in this country. CA has universal background checks and they have more mass shootings than anyone. Maybe you should educate yourself before you start spouting stuff like this.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:48:45 PM   
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Whatever Burroughs motivation in writing Tarzan, one can only blame/credit him for messing with boys minds reading about or watching the half-clad Jane romping around in the jungle.




His stories where the result of his delusional state. He thought he was chronicaling the adventures, not creating them.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:52:11 PM   
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delusional okay...................he had Tarzan fighting a tiger in Africa in the first of the books I believe.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/15/2016 11:52:57 PM   
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All the better.


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:10:39 AM   
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delusional okay...................he had Tarzan fighting a tiger in Africa in the first of the books I believe.

Writing his books was about the only therapy he recieved.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:12:47 AM   
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All the better.



So you see the comparison to Mnottertail's "thought" process.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:23:00 AM   
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Not sure if Burroughs was that level of bigot or not.

But hey, people think differently, and all that.

You probably think I'm FOS as much as I might think you are FOS sometimes ...

But we manage, right?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:26:36 AM   
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Try googling "Alf Garnet" from the Brit TV series "Til Death us do part"..........then you might get close to those thought processes *smile*

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:29:55 AM   
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I'll get to that later.

For the moment, I'm googling 'the Tarzan yell.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarzan_yell

"According to the newspaper columnist L. M. Boyd (circa 1970), "Blended in with that [opera singer Lloyd Thomas Leech's] voice are the growl of a dog, a trill sung by a soprano, a note played on a violin's G string and the howl of a hyena recorded backward."



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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:34:43 AM   
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I am going to continue to support background checks for guns. This is just common sense. The issue will not go away anymore. Just because a few gun nuts want to pretend this is the Wild West, its not.

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:36:38 AM   
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I am going to continue to support background checks for guns. This is just common sense. The issue will not go away anymore. Just because a few gun nuts want to pretend this is the Wild West, its not.


How are guns buyers not background checked when they purchase guns?

ETA:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/13/how-the-orlando-killer-omar-mateen-got-his-guns.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-shop-owner-orlando-nightclub-shooter-omar-mateen-passed-background-check/
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/06/13/omar-mateen-guns-nypd/


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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:36:47 AM   
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Apropos of the standard P&R forum comment, we could all just save ourselves a lot of typing by just inserting that "howl of a hyena played backward," don't you think?

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RE: Democrats mount gun control filibuster - 6/16/2016 12:52:59 AM   
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"It's far from clear that it was an "Islamic terrorist attack" at this point in time. It may have been, it might not have been. "

The guy calls 911 and swears allegiance to Islam and you think that does not indicate anything ?

Not to worry, these nice, civilised people will be coming to your country soon. Sweden learned their lesson, so will you. You think just because someone walks upright they are a person and not an animal ? You will be forced to reconsider that opinion if you live long enough.


It's perfectly plausible that, if the Orlando lunatic was acting out of gay hate and self loathing, he would want to dress his actions up in a manner that would be more acceptable to himself, a manner that some people would regard as heroic, a manner that would enable the more extreme and fundamentalist varieties of Islam would deem him a 'martyr'.

I am not discounting the possibility that he was acting in concert with IS. All I am pointing out is that a connection with IS has not yet been established to the satisfaction of the investigating authorities. So until the evidence decides the matter one way or another, that connection remains speculative. Equally, until the evidence decides the matter one way or another, the possibility that his 'connection' with IS is merely window dressing cannot be eliminated.

However the gay hate/homophobic element of this outrage seems to be indisputable. The shooter chose as his target out of all the potential targets available to him, a gay club. A club where he was known to many of the patrons. His sexuality is ambiguous and even his ex-wife isn't prepared to say that he isn't gay (and she of all people would know). Whichever way you look at it, the gay hate factor is unavoidable.

So I am urging that, among the actions taken to counter this type of outrage in the future, some serious anti-homo- and queer-phobia program needs to be included and prioritised. I am perfectly happy with other actions being taken, but am insisting that this particular aspect of the tragedy needs urgent attention.

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I want nobody coming here, and I mean nobody. Even on an H1B visa. If nobody in this country can do it the it doesn't get done. PAY TO EDUCATE THE YOUNG, industry. The knowledge is there but they are too busy indoctrinating to teach any engineering and all that.

T^T


You do realise that this shooter was born in New York City don't you? No immigration ban would have prevented him doing what he did. He was a home grown phenomenon.

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