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respectmen -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 3:03:11 AM)
If a "source" is unreliable and not fact based, Just because it's not left wing! I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces?

PeonForHer -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 3:06:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen If a "source" is unreliable and not fact based, Just because it's not left wing! I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces? Eh? I just said, only a couple of posts ago, that the source was an article by a woman who belonged to the Revolutionary Communist Party. What is the matter with you today, RM?

blnymph -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 3:09:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen If a "source" is unreliable and not fact based, Just because it's not left wing! I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces? Your source is the "Sun" - just in case you failed to notice. Volltrottel

Staleek -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 3:11:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen If a "source" is unreliable and not fact based, Just because it's not left wing! I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces? It's not "right wing". Most of what you see is not "right wing", they're only "right wing" in as much as they are modern "right wing", which is not political, it's become more tribal. There is a philosophical argument, within politics, about the balance of the rights of the individual and the rights of society as a whole. The left tends to favour collectivism, the right individualism. That, in a nutshell, is the difference. That is something that doesn't seem to be understood at the moment. So statements such as... 1. Most Muslims are not homicidal maniacs. 2. Mainstream feminism is a movement promoting civil rights and equality between genders. 3. Fox News is a media machine which distorts facts in order to provoke a certain reponse and manipulate the public. 4. Human beings are directly responsible for the current warming of the earths climate. ...are facts. They aren't leftist or rightist. They are empirically provable facts.

respectmen -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 3:12:03 AM)
I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces? The article was on the right, not left. What is wrong with you to not figure this out?

PeonForHer -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 3:18:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces? The article was on the right, not left. What is wrong with you to not figure this out? Well, I suppose the people who set up this forum would be some of those who create safe spaces. Here, we can talk about kink safely, without fear of the straights giving us a hard time. Do you not agree with there being safe spaces like this website, RM?

crazyml -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 3:38:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Crazyml, who are the ones creating safe spaces again? Oh that's right, feminists. Many people seek to create safe places. Addiction groups, for example. Much of today's safe place discussion comes from the LGBT community. I have not said that I think that the idea behind safe places is wrong, and I will explain to you in a moment why I think it's important, but I am definitely concerned by the mis-use of the idea of a "safe place" to provide an echo chamber. Safe places do have an important role and value though. If you're an addict seeking to come off your addiction, it may well be that you're going to feel more able to discuss your issues in a space that is solely for addicts. In the context of the different equality movements, there is a role for safe places to enable people to share experiences and feelings that they would otherwise be prevented from sharing in a more open forum. I can't see any reason why people should argue that this application of the idea of "safe place" could be seen as wrong. But, yes, it can go wrong. In many movements, there is a danger that the "safe place" will become the echo chamber I referred to earlier - something that I think can be deeply unhealthy. Echo chambers tend to be deeply hostile to outside thinking, and they can create a degree of group think that is really unhelpful. Here's a tip, by the way, when I hear of the latest outrage against men that you've picked up from your echo chamber, I go out and look for a range of viewpoints... I read as much "MRA" literature as I do radical feminist lit. And, I read a lot of the more reasonable stuff that likes in between. By doing this, I am able to make sure that I never look as stupid and blinkered as you do. So like many things, it's an idea that has really good applications, and piss-poor applications. quote: quote: Feminism is not about giving women an advantage, it is about giving them equal treatment. That is the whole point of feminism. Except when women are treated better. The empathy gap. Actually no, the empathy gap is a result of sexism, which the gender equality movement wants to help us all to move on from. quote: quote: The male opponents of feminism fear it because they don't have what it takes to compete on an equal footing, and as I have said before, I feel sorry for them, right up to the point when they start whining. I don't fear it, I laugh at it. I laugh at the sheer stupidity and ironies of it. It's just as silly for me to say that women are against the men's rights movement because they don't have what it takes to compete on an equal footing. You're terrified of it, which is why you make so much stuff up, and why you believe the nonsense that you're fed by your MRA sources. Women want equality, because they believe they have what it takes to compete on an equal footing. The only men who fear gender equality are the weak and damaged.

respectmen -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 4:13:08 AM)
Crazyfeminist quote: Many people seek to create safe places. Addiction groups, for example. Which is no doubt a prime example of the "Meet ‘Generation Snowflake" rant. Feminists do it more than anyone! quote: In the context of the different equality movements, there is a role for safe places to enable people to share experiences and feelings that they would otherwise be prevented from sharing in a more open forum. In my experience, in the mainstream, leftist views are more acceptable than rightist views. quote: But, yes, it can go wrong. In many movements, there is a danger that the "safe place" will become the echo chamber I referred to earlier - something that I think can be deeply unhealthy. Echo chambers tend to be deeply hostile to outside thinking, and they can create a degree of group think that is really unhelpful. Like feminism. Any gender discussion not kowtowing the feminist line, see what happens? quote: Actually no, the empathy gap is a result of sexism, which the gender equality movement wants to help us all to move on from. The day I believe you is the day feminists care about the prison sentencing gap as much as the wage gap. quote: You're terrified of it, which is why you make so much stuff up, and why you believe the nonsense that you're fed by your MRA sources. I keep continuously laughing at the sexism from it, yet, it's supposed to be against sexism. Equality means equal empathy. Not to many to most feminists though.

Greta75 -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 4:24:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen quote: Oh Gosh, I don't envy you. I simply go buy potatoes and carrots that are already pre-peeled, so I don't have to peel it myself. Comments such like this one and the one above, it makes me wonder how and why I would want to turn the clock back to the 50s simply because I disagree with modern feminism? If you're against the men's right's movement, does that mean you hate men and want men to be slaves? I'm all in for equal rights, just not a movement that really seeks superior rights over others. The men's rights movement is no better than the feminist movement. I would like a movement that supports both genders equally, not a lopsided movement, which feminism is. Just because feminism is PC and how things were in the past, that doesn't give the movement a free ticket to act like how it is today. There needs to be a line and once it's crossed, it needs to be called out upon. Dude, his talking about peeling potatoes and carrots, and I am talking about buying potatoes and carrots that are already peeled. What has this gotta do with male slaves? A man could just go buy pre-peeled potatoes and carrots rather than peeling himself, IF he wanted to. I mean if his anything like my x-dom, he finds it therapeutic peeling potatoes! So he'll happily peel all the potatoes I want for me.

Caylios -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 4:47:13 AM)
Fast reply The problem isn't 1st, 2nd, or 3rd wave feminism. the 1st and 2nd waves actually did a hell of a lot of good. The 3rd wave more 50/50. The Feminism that is being described here is Intersectional Feminism which is kind of the bastard child of Tumblr, the Social Justice movement and Feminism combined. These are the people who go out of their way to be offended on behalf of other people who might not actually have an issue with whatever was so 'offensive' (i.e. balanced reasoned individuals capable of critical thinking and possessing the ability to say "I got more important things to worry about than whether someone who isn't a Mexican is wearing a sombrero") I try to get my information from ALL sides although I do tend to fall more in the Libertarian camp. I have a lot of respect for people such as Sargon of Akkad and Milo Yianopoulos who while I may not agree with everything they have to say on any given subject believe in the fundamental right to SAY it. Let your words stand on their own merit. Good ideas will flourish while bad ones will die. What does worry me though is certain sections of the regressive left who are actively supporting censorship of "harmful ideas" and trying to rid us of that pesky freedom of speech thing that causes so much offense to others. As for safe spaces and trigger warnings. That is totally the WRONG direction to go. This is not my field but I have done some reading up on this... Ask any psychologist and they will tell you that if someone truly IS suffering from PTSD (which they all seem to have now... Apparently seeing 'Trump' written in chalk on a pavement equates to serving in the gulf and watching members of your platoon drive over a bomb) Avoiding whatever that issue is and running off to a safe space is the very worst treatment you can give a person if you ever hope for them to recover and be a functioning member of society again. These poor snowflakes are shooting themselves in the foot. When they have to leave University and go out in the real world for work. they are in for a hell of a shock! IF they can even get employment at all. (everyone has smartphones these days and if you're going to be regressive, there will be a video of you making an ass of yourself on YouTube somewhere (TrigglyPuff anyone??)) and employers will see this and not want to touch them with a barge pole, labelling them (perhaps rightly so) as trouble makers. The world needs a reboot. We are spending too much time worrying about trivial things as dictated by the vocal minority and not enough time dealing with the REAL issues that kill so many and cause suffering to so many more. Let's deal with female genital mutilation rather than losing our shit over a man sitting with his legs too wide apart on the subway... Let's deal with the disparity in prison sentencing not only between men and women, but also white and blacks so that justice is equal for ALL Let's stop demonizing fathers and men in general. One of the main reason these entitled special snowflakes exist is the destruction of the family (yes that one IS feminism's fault) now kids are brought up by single mothers mostly. and young boys don't have that male in their lives to teach them how to be a man. and be a role model for them... what we end up with is emasculated men instead.

crazyml -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 4:52:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Crazyfeminist quote: Many people seek to create safe places. Addiction groups, for example. Which is no doubt a prime example of the "Meet ‘Generation Snowflake" rant. Feminists do it more than anyone! Babble babble rant rant. What is your point again? quote: quote: In the context of the different equality movements, there is a role for safe places to enable people to share experiences and feelings that they would otherwise be prevented from sharing in a more open forum. In my experience, in the mainstream, leftist views are more acceptable than rightist views. Where? On Fox news? In the bible belt of the USA? quote: quote: But, yes, it can go wrong. In many movements, there is a danger that the "safe place" will become the echo chamber I referred to earlier - something that I think can be deeply unhealthy. Echo chambers tend to be deeply hostile to outside thinking, and they can create a degree of group think that is really unhelpful. Like feminism. Any gender discussion not kowtowing the feminist line, see what happens? Rant rant babble babble. What point are you attempting to make here? quote: quote: Actually no, the empathy gap is a result of sexism, which the gender equality movement wants to help us all to move on from. The day I believe you is the day feminists care about the prison sentencing gap as much as the wage gap. Many feminists care about the prison sentencing gap. By the way, you know the "gap" is nothing like as wide as you think it is once factors like criminal history and actual violence are accounted for right? But yes... lots of feminists are bothered by those examples of where women seem to be advantaged. So... you're just making more stuff up (again) quote: quote: You're terrified of it, which is why you make so much stuff up, and why you believe the nonsense that you're fed by your MRA sources. I keep continuously laughing at the sexism from it, yet, it's supposed to be against sexism. Equality means equal empathy. Not to many to most feminists though. You babbling nutter. Equality means a lot more than equal empathy

PeonForHer -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 5:33:12 AM)
quote: The article was on the right, not left. No, it was by a Trotskyist. Those are on the left. Feminism is what feminists do, per your usual definition - so left wing stuff is what left wingers do, correct? Your present thread is all about supporting a deranged lefty, basically.

WhoreMods -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 5:37:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen If a "source" is unreliable and not fact based, Just because it's not left wing! I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces? Your source is the "Sun" - just in case you failed to notice. Volltrottel The nice thing about the Sun (which they don't stress to the white male reactionary members of its readership) is that it's the chosen red top of the Ali G massive, which is to say Pakistani chavs (who like the tits on page three and emphasis on entertainment news and racism directed more at Europe than at them). I find that a paranoid islamaphobe like respectmen, with his frustrated jealousy of the moslems' casual misogyny, is citing a paper that does that as his source pretty funny.

mnottertail -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 5:47:10 AM)
Tits on page three is neither left nor right, I think it is a bi-partisan coming together.

blnymph -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 5:53:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Tits on page three is neither left nor right, I think it is a bi-partisan coming together. Tits on page 3 are both left and right so I guess for some this is the sign of being a well balanced source.

thompsonx -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 6:09:05 AM)
ORIGINAL: Caylios As for safe spaces and trigger warnings. That is totally the WRONG direction to go. This is not my field but I have done some reading up on this... Ask any psychologist and they will tell you that if someone truly IS suffering from PTSD (which they all seem to have now... Apparently seeing 'Trump' written in chalk on a pavement equates to serving in the gulf and watching members of your platoon drive over a bomb) Avoiding whatever that issue is and running off to a safe space is the very worst treatment you can give a person if you ever hope for them to recover and be a functioning member of society again. [bI have spoken to several shirinks about this and they would disagree with your opinion. These poor snowflakes are shooting themselves in the foot. When they have to leave University and go out in the real world for work. they are in for a hell of a shock! What sort of shock? Let's deal with female genital mutilation What exctly is that and how did it get started? now kids are brought up by single mothers mostly. Why is that? and young boys don't have that male in their lives to teach them how to be a man and be a role model for them... Like the one their mother divorced? what we end up with is emasculated men instead. Opinions without citations are just opinions.

Musicmystery -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 8:12:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen I will ask the question again. Who are the ones who create safe spaces? The article was on the right, not left. What is wrong with you to not figure this out? Well, I suppose the people who set up this forum would be some of those who create safe spaces. Here, we can talk about kink safely, without fear of the straights giving us a hard time. Do you not agree with there being safe spaces like this website, RM? Well you've got Trump who wants to wall off the country. But then, that would just wall the crazies in.

LadyPact -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 8:54:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen Trigger warning Meet ‘Generation Snowflake’ – the hysterical young women who can’t cope with being offended https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1254262/meet-generation-snowflake-the-hysterical-modern-kids-who-cant-cope-with-being-offended/ The modern face of feminism...which should be renamed, totalitarianism. Yet, their opinions that bother others are totally allowed of course. OK. I'll be fair. (Believe it or not, I do actually read the links you post when it's not some video of people shouting or certain types of music.) You want somebody to address the article. That's fair and I'm willing to do it. Do I happen to agree that the worst thing in life is sexual assault? No. I happen to think the worst thing in life is one's own death. There's no recovery from your own death, no potential healing process, you don't wake up the next day so it will get better. I could be entirely wrong about an afterlife, so dead could really mean dead. So, let's say there's death, and then an individual figures out, for themselves, what makes a close second. I'm about to disappoint some people by paraphrasing Orwell's "1984": "What is in Room 101?" "The worst thing in the world." "What is that." "It's different for everybody." This is where the hypothesizing begins for a lot of people. I had a front row seat growing up about how devastating it is for parents to have to bury one of their children. The fact that people who have suffered that loss even get out of bed every day have my admiration. I have serious doubts that I have that kind of strength. To date, I've been fortunate enough not to have to find out. OP, I have no idea if you would think that is a close second at this time because right now, if I recall correctly, that's not in your realm of possibilities. I'm sorry to have to say this because it's not that I dislike you as a person. It's awfully tempting to draw the conclusion that there are certain areas where you think some instances happen, such as sexual assault, that once the act is over, that's it. We really do know, from a psychological standpoint, that's not a universal reaction. A person's still alive but they still deal with a mental and emotional reaction for whatever period of time it takes them. I made a really bad remark on another thread regarding triggering other people. Something to the tune of "I wouldn't walk into the VA and light up a pocket full of firecrackers, either." It wasn't the nicest way to put it, but I stand by the point. I figure my chances would be pretty good at triggering someone's PTSD. We also know that PTSD can develop in victims of other traumatic experiences such as DV, sexual assault, violent non sexual physical assault, some stalking targets, near death circumstances, and a bunch of other stuff. I think it would be challenging to debate that established fact. The writer of your linked article specifically said this: "“Their reaction shocked me. I take no pleasure in making teenagers cry, but it also brought home the contrast to previous generations of young people, who would have relished the chance to argue back." With no idea of how many of the teenagers in her audience might be undergoing the after effects of an assault, she figures they should argue with her? I wrote all of that so I could agree with ML. There should be certain safe spaces for things like support groups, certain types of therapy, etc. If we want people to heal from anything we consider traumatic, isn't it reasonable to at least create some of those type of environments?

WickedsDesire -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 9:46:17 AM)
Greta75 they only keep 3 days, and in the fridge too boot valuable chilling cheap Chardonnay space And for educational purposes (yet not one person can ever furnish me with the perfect scone recipe times all my times all sites i have ever been on, as someone is on about skin(completely correct(why even boil the nutrients out of them(and never store potatoes in the fridge-look up why))) nutrients and why I should eat cat food. Incidentally, its why I always have entitled bitches polish my foreskin of every delicious molecule of my hot spunk with their naughty haughty mouths if I apply the mindset of the bulk of Ops offerings

Aylee -> RE: Meet ‘Generation Snowflake (6/17/2016 10:22:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire Greta75 they only keep 3 days, and in the fridge too boot valuable chilling cheap Chardonnay space And for educational purposes (yet not one person can ever furnish me with the perfect scone recipe times all my times all sites i have ever been on, as someone is on about skin(completely correct(why even boil the nutrients out of them(and never store potatoes in the fridge-look up why))) nutrients and why I should eat cat food. Incidentally, its why I always have entitled bitches polish my foreskin of every delicious molecule of my hot spunk with their naughty haughty mouths if I apply the mindset of the bulk of Ops offerings I have the perfect scone recipe, but why should I share it with you?

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