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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 8:11:04 AM   
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mankind's single greatest problem is his distance from god.



mankind's greatest problem for centuries was and is rating human lives lower than religion.


that sentiment has no practicable basis in Christian reality where one is admonished towards "greater love has none than this, that a man lay down his life for his brother."

at the same time, a quote from one of our founders, gouverner morris: "the most important of all lessons is the denunciation or ruin to any state that rejects the precepts of religion."

and john adams: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

noah Webster: "[T]he Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence."

George Washington: " Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society."

Benjamin franklin: "Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof."



a quote by martin luther that is both relevant to this niche of the conversation, as well as in response to all the comrades who like to point out, mistakenly, that timothy McVeigh and other mass killers are Christian:

"we conclude, therefore that a Christian live not in himself, but in Christ and in his neighbor. otherwise he is not a Christian. he lives in Christ through faith, in his neighbor through love. by faith he is caught up beyond himself into god. by love he descends beneath himself into his neighbor."

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 8:12:49 AM   
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That rather puts your ass well out of it as well.

Now the nutsuckers can run the one true xtian fallacy at us.

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 8:40:20 AM   
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and that stranger is mistaken.

while im here, this might factor into some part of the overall conversation. I just picked up a book by rene de visme Williamson called "faith as foundation: a Christian reorientation of church/state relations in America" and on the book cover a review of the book wrote: "he points out that the Christians and deists who participated in the [constitutional] convention held in common three politically important religious convictions:

"1. god rules the world and guides people and their governments with his providence.

"2. morality is rooted in religion and cannot long survive without it.

"3. political stability and strength depend on morality, and nowhere most so than a constitutional republic."

Interesting. What might be some of the ways you'd like to reorient life/policy in America?


by way of an answer let me leave you with this:

mankind's single greatest problem is his distance from god.

so with the delicate requirement of respecting if not maximizing liberty, and speaking generally, things that move us towards god are good, and things that move us away are not.

if you want to have more conversation on the topic, id be happy to, feel invited to send me a private message.



Can't agree with this enough.
I am no way a perfect example of a Christian. I have shown hate with words and I'm not particularly proud of that. There are much better examples then me.
Christians are taught to hate the sin not the sinner, as has been said. just because a healthy Christian doesn't agree with your lifestyle choice, in no way means they want you dead! Ya know the whole use Jesus as an example thing we are taught? Westboro are not Christians btw.
This man who killed, think about who he was.
You can not trust everyone in any situation because yes there are bad apples.
No one likes to be told how they live is considered wrong, including myself.
But if you are ever put in a situation where you have an alt lifestyle and you have a side you must choose from, your best bet would be let the Christians have you.
Compare the teachings. One religion begs to show tolerance, love compassion for individuals, although we do not support the acts. We do not agree and we are not to compromise.
The other religion. What do they teach?
Which side would you feel safer if you had to make a choice?
Be politically correct, be open to anything and everything, be Islam sympathizes if you chose, but remember one comes to save and one comes to kill.


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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 8:58:58 AM   
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Unless you're an abortion doctor. Then you're burnt toast.

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 9:04:23 AM   
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Martin Luther...a man..A catholic man, a monk and a priest, living 600 years ago, decides for himself (and others) what a christian should be.

Man is saved by faith..only.
Of course , thruout the course of history, we have seen what damage has been done because of Catholicism vs Protestantism.
faith and fanaticism Kills.
no matter the "religion"
he Wrote
The peasants have taken upon themselves the burden of three terrible sins against God and man; by this they have merited death in body and soul... they have sworn to be true and faithful, submissive and obedient, to their rulers... now deliberately and violently breaking this oath... they are starting a rebellion, and are violently robbing and plundering monasteries and castles which are not theirs... they have doubly deserved death in body and soul as highwaymen and murderers... they cloak this terrible and horrible sin with the gospel... thus they become the worst blasphemers of God and slanderers of his holy name"
such a wonderful christian man
(I dont have the german translation, so Im leaving it as it is)



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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 9:19:48 AM   
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Unless you're an abortion doctor. Then you're burnt toast.


Can't argue with you there. Another case of misdirected Christians taking matters into their own hands. Obviously these people do not have a true relationship with our creator. We are SUPPOSE to have faith Nature will take care of the problem.
Whatever we do wrong in life it is our choice. If a woman wants an abortion it is her right. If. a doctor chooses to give it it is their right.
Everything from the most minor to the most heinous things are choices. It is not our place to tell a person who exists, to stop a life that does not exist, that will forever change their life. I do think abortion is wrong but as a young girl I had one.
I made that choice and I had the right to make it.
It is for the creator to judge in the end not people.

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 9:52:37 AM   
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a quote by martin luther that is both relevant to this niche of the conversation, as well as in response to all the comrades who like to point out, mistakenly, that timothy McVeigh and other mass killers are Christian:

"we conclude, therefore that a Christian live not in himself, but in Christ and in his neighbor. otherwise he is not a Christian. he lives in Christ through faith, in his neighbor through love. by faith he is caught up beyond himself into god. by love he descends beneath himself into his neighbor."



Dr. Martinus is a really bad choice as an expert witness for brotherly love if you bother to read his books (and not a "best of ...)


1525:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wider_die_Mordischen_und_Reubischen_Rotten_der_Bawren

1529:
Heerpredigt wider die Türken

1538:
Wider die Sabbather

1543:
Wider die Jüden und ihre Lügen
and
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vom_Schem_Hamphoras

1546:
Vermahnung wider die Juden

Apart from all those his sermons contain numerous requests to murder catholics, anabaptists, witches, disabled persons.

One might feel tempted to count all these and compare them with some Ayatollahs.

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 10:10:48 AM   
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a quote by martin luther that is both relevant to this niche of the conversation, as well as in response to all the comrades who like to point out, mistakenly, that timothy McVeigh and other mass killers are Christian:

"we conclude, therefore that a Christian live not in himself, but in Christ and in his neighbor. otherwise he is not a Christian. he lives in Christ through faith, in his neighbor through love. by faith he is caught up beyond himself into god. by love he descends beneath himself into his neighbor."



Dr. Martinus is a really bad choice as an expert witness for brotherly love if you bother to read his books (and not a "best of ...)


1525:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wider_die_Mordischen_und_Reubischen_Rotten_der_Bawren

1529:
Heerpredigt wider die Türken

1538:
Wider die Sabbather

1543:
Wider die Jüden und ihre Lügen
and
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vom_Schem_Hamphoras

1546:
Vermahnung wider die Juden

Apart from all those his sermons contain numerous requests to murder catholics, anabaptists, witches, disabled persons.

One might feel tempted to count all these and compare them with some Ayatollahs.

Thankyou!!!

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 3:48:15 PM   
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I was raised up in the Christian faith. I heard alot of good things. Love, peace, kindness, forgivness and helping others. I still conitnue to use those values in my life to this day. I was taught not to jusge others and help those less fortunate. I know many Christians who do practice these things. Many of them are my friends. I have friends from many religious backgrounds and no religion at all. Love is the answer in the end. That is what it is all about to me. Be kind to others.

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 7:18:24 PM   
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People like her just can't get enough of beating on the minority in their country.

Which is why she is such a big cheerleader for Trump in the US.

She never refers to the original inhabitants of Singapore as Malayans, always instead as Muslims, which is apparently the more derogatory term in Chinese-run Singapore.


No, they are Muslims and Proud. Not a derogatory term. Just a fact!

You can ask any indigenous person in Singapore what they love to be referred to? And they are happy and proudly Muslims. They don't identify as "Malayans". They will never use that term on themselves. That's like some foreigner term for them.

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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/20/2016 7:25:31 PM   
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Planned Parenthood attack. There is also this, this, this, or this.

Hell, just go through it yourself.

Personally, I would rather deal with 1 billion westboros than 1 billion muslims.

At least you can remind westboros people that they are sinning by doing God's work on his behalf. God says leave judgement to him! And many Westboros know that too. That's why they always like to say, it's God's work when others and natural disasters happen.

Those westboros who took actions upon their own hands and inflict violence is not sanctified by the Bible or their church.

But people like ISIS motivated attacks like Orlando is sanctified by the Quran and the Hadiths and by Muhammad. After all, Islam was built upon revenge philosophy. Everybody's excuse for Muhammad's violence was he has the right to take revenge.

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So once again Greta, your hateful shit is not only absurdly stupid but completely wrong. People are violent. The ability to look at another human being and beat them to a bloody pulp, or even destroy them entirely with a gun or a knife, is not dependent upon religion but on the depth of your hatred for them.

If I were a Muslim I would certainly fear you as being capable of this, given your obsessive hatred of them.

I hate alot of things, but I will only hurt those who have hurt me first. So anybody who is peaceful should have no fear from me. I'm a very eye for an eye type of person.
But I disagree it's based on depth of hatred. Many Muslims kill not because they hate. But because they believe it is their religious duty, if they want to go to Heaven.
You know they say Hate is not the Opposite of Love. Indifference is.


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RE: Westboro Hate group to protest Orlando funerals - 6/21/2016 2:19:29 AM   
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I was raised up in the Christian faith. I heard alot of good things. Love, peace, kindness, forgivness and helping others. I still conitnue to use those values in my life to this day. I was taught not to jusge others and help those less fortunate. I know many Christians who do practice these things. Many of them are my friends. I have friends from many religious backgrounds and no religion at all. Love is the answer in the end. That is what it is all about to me. Be kind to others.


I wish every christian would think and feel like you do. Those are the ones I respect - the "salt of the earth".

Unfortunately there are others too. Those who turn good ideas into a mockery, bigotry, or something far worse, in words and in actions. Those are found not only among christians of course, but also among christians.

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