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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 4:35:59 PM   
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I'm sure that the standard American sensibility that would froth and drivel about guns till everyone else is bored into a stupor is also the standard sensibility that wouldn't own a passport, wouldn't care about the rest of the world outside of the USA and, indeed, wouldn't even be able to distinguish e.g. the UK from China on a world map, anyway.

And you would be mistaken.

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 4:36:20 PM   
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do you assume that anyone outside the US would take your national fetishisms serious?


Oh god. Of *course* they do. Everyone, deep down, wants to be American, bl. And to be American requires loving guns. Simples. We all know it.

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 4:37:56 PM   
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I'm sure that the standard American sensibility that would froth and drivel about guns till everyone else is bored into a stupor is also the standard sensibility that wouldn't own a passport, wouldn't care about the rest of the world outside of the USA and, indeed, wouldn't even be able to distinguish e.g. the UK from China on a world map, anyway.

And you would be mistaken.


Evidence, WS?

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:05:58 PM   
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I'm sure that the standard American sensibility that would froth and drivel about guns till everyone else is bored into a stupor is also the standard sensibility that wouldn't own a passport, wouldn't care about the rest of the world outside of the USA and, indeed, wouldn't even be able to distinguish e.g. the UK from China on a world map, anyway.

And you would be mistaken.


Evidence, WS?

I personally know lots of gun-toting Americans who do all of those things you mention. And while I don't tote a gun myself, I do believe in the right to bear arms. Yet some of the gun rights advocates on this board have called me a lefty liberal as well.

What you stated is no less stereotypical than what us yanks say about you limeys.

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:23:17 PM   
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I personally know lots of gun-toting Americans who do all of those things you mention. And while I don't tote a gun myself, I do believe in the right to bear arms. Yet some of the gun rights advocates on this board have called me a lefty liberal as well.

What you stated is no less stereotypical than what us yanks say about you limeys.


I care about stereotypical views of us British roughly as much as Americans care about non-yanks' view of Americans, WS. Let's face it - none of is really affected by the other, eh?

Well, OK, then. I shall leave you all to discuss your guns with the solemness and gravity that you all feel the subject demands.

But I have to say ... one thing I've noticed, any time that some godawful gun-killing event occurs in the USA .... so very, very soon after, there'll be a thread in which people start feverishly to exchange their wisdom about the technical aspects of their preferred guns - firepower being the most central issue. I don't think people who talk like this realise just how much it looks, to non-Americans most of all, like the point has been so *fundamentally missed*. To us, on the outside, it stinks of the fetishization of guns.

Well, I have no doubt that lots of a certain type of American will be keen a) to tell me to shove this view and b) apprise me of the fact that, as a mere Brit, my view doesn't matter anyway. Fine. The thread's all yours.



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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:29:14 PM   
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PS, I have had that pizza and I simply cannot figure out how to make it. I already make a kickass pizza and I got references on that. But those Chicago deep dish ones, we spent a shit ton of money trying to make them but just could not get them right. And bear in mind we are not stupid people and we know how to cook.
T^T


You ever had Myle's pizza in Bowling Green? Mmmmmmm

I've heard great things about Pizza Popoulis's deep dish.


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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:32:28 PM   
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You mistakenly assume that anyone in the US cares how fucktard lymie tosspots view us.

No, I don't, Stef. I'm sure that the standard American sensibility that would froth and drivel about guns till everyone else is bored into a stupor is also the standard sensibility that wouldn't own a passport, wouldn't care about the rest of the world outside of the USA and, indeed, wouldn't even be able to distinguish e.g. the UK from China on a world map, anyway.
And 'lymie' is actually spelt 'limey', you peabrain. Jesus. Your own countrymen invented the term, and *I* have to tell you how to spell it?


You're getting on her case when you people can't even spell 'labor, color, theater, etc.' properly.


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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:36:08 PM   
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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:47:12 PM   
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What's interesting about table 2 tweak, is that there is a rise of 15.8% of households with NO guns at all over the 34-year period.
With it being around 64.3% in 2014, another 34 years will (hopefully) raise that number to over 80% by 2048.
Give it another 34 years and hopefully (if that trend remains true), by 2082, there will be more than 95% of American households that don't have guns.



I seriously doubt it. In the wake of Orlando, the number of first time gun buyers spiked considerably, especially in the LGBT community. Not only that but those who are buying guns for the first time are taking classes to get carry permits. Semiautomatics, and especially AR-15's are flying off the shelves by the tens of thousands...........once again for fear of bans, restrictions and so on.




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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:53:56 PM   
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quote:

I personally know lots of gun-toting Americans who do all of those things you mention. And while I don't tote a gun myself, I do believe in the right to bear arms. Yet some of the gun rights advocates on this board have called me a lefty liberal as well.

What you stated is no less stereotypical than what us yanks say about you limeys.


I care about stereotypical views of us British roughly as much as Americans care about non-yanks' view of Americans, WS. Let's face it - none of is really affected by the other, eh?

Well, OK, then. I shall leave you all to discuss your guns with the solemness and gravity that you all feel the subject demands.

But I have to say ... one thing I've noticed, any time that some godawful gun-killing event occurs in the USA .... so very, very soon after, there'll be a thread in which people start feverishly to exchange their wisdom about the technical aspects of their preferred guns - firepower being the most central issue. I don't think people who talk like this realise just how much it looks, to non-Americans most of all, like the point has been so *fundamentally missed*. To us, on the outside, it stinks of the fetishization of guns.

Well, I have no doubt that lots of a certain type of American will be keen a) to tell me to shove this view and b) apprise me of the fact that, as a mere Brit, my view doesn't matter anyway. Fine. The thread's all yours.



How have I missed all those threads.
Or are you talking about those threads where gun grabbers start spouting grossly inacurrate garbage about various guns and some of us try to educate them.
For example that last three times assault weapons were used in "mass killings" were the St Valentines Day Massacre and the attack by the terroist attacks on Truman and the House of Representatives. BTW by the time of the terrorist attacks they were already illegal.

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:55:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
PS, I have had that pizza and I simply cannot figure out how to make it. I already make a kickass pizza and I got references on that. But those Chicago deep dish ones, we spent a shit ton of money trying to make them but just could not get them right. And bear in mind we are not stupid people and we know how to cook.
T^T


You ever had Myle's pizza in Bowling Green? Mmmmmmm

I've heard great things about Pizza Popoulis's deep dish.


Which Bowling Green?

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 5:56:51 PM   
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do you assume that anyone outside the US would take your national fetishisms serious?


Hey, until you've hugged an assault rifle you'll have no idea what you're missing. Now I'm off to fondle my .45


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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 6:00:23 PM   
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What's interesting about table 2 tweak, is that there is a rise of 15.8% of households with NO guns at all over the 34-year period.
With it being around 64.3% in 2014, another 34 years will (hopefully) raise that number to over 80% by 2048.
Give it another 34 years and hopefully (if that trend remains true), by 2082, there will be more than 95% of American households that don't have guns.



I seriously doubt it. In the wake of Orlando, the number of first time gun buyers spiked considerably, especially in the LGBT community. Not only that but those who are buying guns for the first time are taking classes to get carry permits. Semiautomatics, and especially AR-15's are flying off the shelves by the tens of thousands...........once again for fear of bans, restrictions and so on.




The study is a telephone study with numbers of people who will tell a disembodied voice on the phone that they own a firearm.

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 7:28:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
PS, I have had that pizza and I simply cannot figure out how to make it. I already make a kickass pizza and I got references on that. But those Chicago deep dish ones, we spent a shit ton of money trying to make them but just could not get them right. And bear in mind we are not stupid people and we know how to cook.
T^T


You ever had Myle's pizza in Bowling Green? Mmmmmmm

I've heard great things about Pizza Popoulis's deep dish.



That stuff coming out of Chicago isn't pizza.

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 8:30:31 PM   
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That stuff coming out of Chicago isn't pizza.

I rest my case.

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 8:41:21 PM   
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I seriously doubt it. In the wake of Orlando, the number of first time gun buyers spiked considerably,


Is this your opinion or can you validate it?

especially in the LGBT community.

How would you know that? Do they have to register as such before they can purchase a gun?


Not only that but those who are buying guns for the first time are taking classes to get carry permits.

This would seem to be an assumption on your part. How could anyone have colated the number of carry permits issued to lgbt people in the past few days.


Semiautomatics, and especially AR-15's are flying off the shelves by the tens of thousands.

Cite please



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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 8:43:54 PM   
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Hey, until you've hugged an assault rifle you'll have no idea what you're missing. Now I'm off to fondle my .45

.45" ???how do you fondle something that small???with tweezers?

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 8:49:18 PM   
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especially in the LGBT community.

How would you know that? Do they have to register as such before they can purchase a gun?


The Pink Pistols.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/20/lgbt-gun-rights-group-sees-membership-skyrocket-after-orlando-shooting/86147114/

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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 9:08:36 PM   
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Or are you talking about those threads where gun grabbers start spouting grossly inacurrate garbage about various guns and some of us try to educate them.

Roflmfo...you are dumb as a post and more ignorant than a stone. You don't even know that you cannot put a .22 rim mag in a .22 lr. You do not understand that an airgun uses pressurised gas to fire a projectile just as pressurised gas fires a projectile from gunpowder gun. How do you expect to educate anyone when you know nothing?

For example that last three times assault weapons were used in "mass killings" were the St Valentines Day Massacre and the attack by the terroist attacks on Truman and the House of Representatives.

Neither of the assassination attempts on truman used assault weapons. The first was a letter bomb and the second was with pistols as was the attack on congress.




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RE: The Assault Weapon Myth! - 6/22/2016 9:24:49 PM   
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especially in the LGBT community.

How would you know that? Do they have to register as such before they can purchase a gun?

The Pink Pistols.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/20/lgbt-gun-rights-group-sees-membership-skyrocket-after-orlando-shooting/86147114/


That does not addresses my post. You said:

" In the wake of Orlando, the number of first time gun buyers spiked considerably,
especially in the LGBT community. "

The cite you posted does not speak of "the number of first time gun buyers" spiking considerably...it does mention the word "uptick".
I am sure you could be more disingenuous but not sure just how.

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