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Termyn8or -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 1:01:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods How about Robert Dowlut? Harlon Carter? There's two, out of how many millions ? And Ted Nugent poaching ? I couldn't care less. So what if he shoots a bear out of season or whatever, fuck them anyway. I do not believe they have any right to require hunting or fishing licenses at all, fukum. In Russia you do not need a fishing license. And if you qualify with a firearm and get a hunting license it is good for life. But in a free country like Germany there are no fishing licenses, it is prohibited. There might be a good reason for that but I can't think of any logical reason fishing would be totally outlawed. Can you ? So the number of NRA members is estimated between 2 and 6 million, and you found two murderers. What a bunch of sociopaths lol. In the meantime what is the murder rate among the rest of the population of the US ? Figures that hoplophobes always come up with. Fucking NRA members should probably run the government. Difference is instead of taking their guns, they would kill criminals. And I agree, you invade someone's home you deserve to die. You use physical strength, a gun or other weapon to take what belongs to another, you deserve to die. Why do people have a problem with that ? You want thugs to just be able to take the shit you worked for and you can't do a damn thing about it ? Is that what you want ? Then don't have a gun, that is your choice. I will not force you to get one. (a couple of towns did though and their crime rate went to zero) But if you try to rob me you are going out ten toes up. That is my right, judge, jury and executioner. The Constitution has spoke and the courts have spoken. Get used to it. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 1:07:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or You people pick on the NRA and think they are all nuts No. I think their leadership is nuts, particularly Wayne, that they are shills for the gun industry, and that many of their members are parrots. But you got no problem with the drug industry having a revolving door for their board members to sit on the FDA. And you have no problem with Monsanto and Cargill having a revolving door for their board members to sit on the USDA. And you have no problem with bankers having a revolving door for their board members to sit on the SEC. But THIS is a problem because you are afraid of guns. Luckily, you do not run the country. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 1:10:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD Were any of your crimes murder, or other felonies? Pretty much depends on your point of view. Know what really matters ? Were you smart enough to not get caught ? T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 1:11:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail FR to nutsuckers: No, you wouldnt be kicked out, where do nutsuckers come up with this sort of fucking ignorant slobber? http://www.vpc.org/studies/felons.htm In the old days you would, like the 1960s or whatever. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 1:58:49 AM)
". One example; I used to belong to a gun club whose insurance carrier required all club members to be NRA members. In the 7 years I was a member there, I know of six instances where members were arrested and convicted for firearm theft on the club's property." Where the fuck do you live, Zimbabwe, or maybe Chicago ? Geez, that is pretty bad. "Being mathematically possible is an astronomical leap from "VERY probable". " Disagree. I know improbable and impossible are two different things but almost impossible DOES mean improbable. And I said almost. "Really? The tales you have told about life in Termyland and of "the olman" paint quite a different picture." Never shot anyone though. I think that makes a difference. Have seen shootings, all kinds of shit but we used to hang around West 25th street in Cleveland a long time ago. Let me give you some advice, if someone comes in and shoots someone at the bar, just drink your drink. If they start shooting up the place then take your gun, tur around lsowly and aim and blow their fucking head off. Everyone in the bars here who got shot had it coming. They either beat up the wrong person or ripped off the wrong person. You have any idea of the ramifications of killing someone, especially with a gun ? It is damn fucking hard to get away with. I know a guy who started a life sentence at 18 years old over that shit. And he didn't actually want to kill the guy but he did. He was afraid of the guy ad it had something to do with a girl. But I know the gun he had, I have one like it and it is a shitty design. But he took it there to that guy's house and the bullet out of it killed the guy, there is no getting out of it. First degree murder. Funny, his Grandfather was also convicted of murder but only did 11 years, they gave the kid life. But Grampa killed the motherfucker in a bar, that may have been the difference. The kid went to the guy's house. But my family never shot anyone. We WILL, but only for good reason. Whether you believe it or not, you WANT us as neighbors because we do not put up with that crime shit. Neighborhood watch on steroids. Yes, I have been i a few illegal enterprises. Never got caught and neve shot anyone. The olman had a chop shop. Later we dealt hot electrical materials. Later we bought up every firearm we could find. But we did not hurt people. There is a big fucking difference here. I also sold drugs here and there, but stopped because the profit was not worth the risk. WE did all kinds of shit. The olman bought machinery to make silencers but never got to it. Had a stroke. We never cared what the law said but we had morals. No desire to hurt or steal from anyone, at least after a certain time. Gave it up. these days you can trust me with a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Mainly, like the song says, if I didn't earn it I don't want it. I am done with that shit, I got a skill now and other than knowing it is wrong, I just don't want it. And it is not like I found religion, I am a stone atheist. I just think the world works better when people treat each other right and do not fuck them over. there is a large contingent of people in this country who actually believe that morality is impossible without religion. Well first of all they are wrong. What's more there are more fakes, people who will fuck you over left and right and go to church on Sunday. And as soon as they walk out the door they got their mind on their money and their money on their mind. (Gin And Juice, The Gourds or Snoop Dog, whichever you prefer) Yes, I have alot of history to deal with and some measure of guilt, but these days you got nothing to worry about. And thsat is not just because of my health. I can barely walk. But these decisions to be good came when I was healthy. I used to be able to stand up straight fro sitting on a floor with legs crossed. I used to be able to lift the back end of most small cars. The decision to be good came back then. I will not steal, well honestly, if it is over $300,000 and I am sure to get away with it then I might. But I do not know where to go. Whatever cinnections I have are here. Maybe that is part of what "being part of the community" means. But have no worries about my guns, I am unlikely to ever use them. But I still go by the axiom that it is better to have it and not need it. T^T

Staleek -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 2:06:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods How about Robert Dowlut? Harlon Carter? There's two, out of how many millions ? Nice logic. Now please explain why that same logic doesn't apply to, for example, Islamic terrorism. Or one scientist who has iffy climate data. Or a few people who have committed welfare fraud.

BamaD -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 3:06:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods How about Robert Dowlut? Harlon Carter? There's two, out of how many millions ? Nice logic. Now please explain why that same logic doesn't apply to, for example, Islamic terrorism. Or one scientist who has iffy climate data. Or a few people who have committed welfare fraud. If we were talking about going after all Moslems you would have a point. But we want to go after the terrorists. I am all for prosecuting people who commit crimes, whether they are NRA members of former Secrateries of State. But you are calling for going after everyone who owns a gun or belongs to an pro gun organization. Not the same thing at all.

WhoreMods -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 4:26:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods How about Robert Dowlut? Harlon Carter? There's two, out of how many millions ? Your challenge was to produce one. You have a couple there.

bounty44 -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 6:33:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I have given cites repeatedly but you refuse to accept anything you disagree with as "credible". Nothing to do with whether we agree with them or not. What you cite is just not a creditable source of info. Lucy has already debunked your 'Defensive Gun Use' myth that you trot out at every opportunity. It's akin to citing Faux Snooze as a creditable source of 'unbiased facts' - it's laughable. I took a look at Lucy's "debunking" and no, the article she posted does not succeed in doing so. the article is fairly a good representative of "believing what you agree with" as opposed to believing the finding. for example, critiquing the methodology is important however, saying such and such research potentially suffers from the possibility of bias X is not the same as actually showing that in this particular instance, said research did indeed suffer from bias X. nor does it address as to whether or not the original researchers themselves were cognizant of the potential biases and what steps they took to keep their methods robust. the author's of Lucy's "debunking" did that multiple times. much of the rest of their writing is amenable to a refuting critique---which apparently lefties aren't wont to do because, as has been pointed out, they like what it says. as for "faux snooze" not being able, apparently, to deal with facts---generic blanket statements like just point you out as a non-critical thinking hyper partisan.

mnottertail -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 6:43:41 AM)
It appears that those who spew horseshit about lefties are simply issuing pro forma ineffectual nutsucker generic blanket statements that point-out their non-critical thinking hyper-partisanship. Since the methodology was faulted (assuming that the reader knows statistics, which nutsuckers don't, being roundly mathmatically inept) they would not understand that the methodology was prima facie faulty in that it did not meet minimum standards. The point of the debunking is that no credible citation exists, not even statistically, and no CDC or FBI study was undertaken to prove the existence of this ethereal bit of buncombe.

Lucylastic -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 7:19:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I have given cites repeatedly but you refuse to accept anything you disagree with as "credible". Nothing to do with whether we agree with them or not. What you cite is just not a creditable source of info. Lucy has already debunked your 'Defensive Gun Use' myth that you trot out at every opportunity. It's akin to citing Faux Snooze as a creditable source of 'unbiased facts' - it's laughable. I took a look at Lucy's "debunking" and no, the article she posted does not succeed in doing so. the article is fairly a good representative of "believing what you agree with" as opposed to believing the finding. for example, critiquing the methodology is important however, saying such and such research potentially suffers from the possibility of bias X is not the same as actually showing that in this particular instance, said research did indeed suffer from bias X. nor does it address as to whether or not the original researchers themselves were cognizant of the potential biases and what steps they took to keep their methods robust. the author's of Lucy's "debunking" did that multiple times. much of the rest of their writing is amenable to a refuting critique---which apparently lefties aren't wont to do because, as has been pointed out, they like what it says. as for "faux snooze" not being able, apparently, to deal with facts---generic blanket statements like just point you out as a non-critical thinking hyper partisan. please show your proof that it is not correct information, and your figures to dispute it as such, with the xy research bullshit. My post was backed up twice with information, links and the facts as they stand. By all means, prove it wrong, factually. I wont hold my breath Put your money where your mouth is. show some points proving the info wrong.

Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 7:22:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or ". One example; I used to belong to a gun club whose insurance carrier required all club members to be NRA members. In the 7 years I was a member there, I know of six instances where members were arrested and convicted for firearm theft on the club's property." Where the fuck do you live, Zimbabwe, or maybe Chicago ? Geez, that is pretty bad. "Being mathematically possible is an astronomical leap from "VERY probable". " Disagree. I know improbable and impossible are two different things but almost impossible DOES mean improbable. And I said almost. "Really? The tales you have told about life in Termyland and of "the olman" paint quite a different picture." Never shot anyone though. I think that makes a difference. Have seen shootings, all kinds of shit but we used to hang around West 25th street in Cleveland a long time ago. Let me give you some advice, if someone comes in and shoots someone at the bar, just drink your drink. If they start shooting up the place then take your gun, tur around lsowly and aim and blow their fucking head off. Everyone in the bars here who got shot had it coming. They either beat up the wrong person or ripped off the wrong person. You have any idea of the ramifications of killing someone, especially with a gun ? It is damn fucking hard to get away with. I know a guy who started a life sentence at 18 years old over that shit. And he didn't actually want to kill the guy but he did. He was afraid of the guy ad it had something to do with a girl. But I know the gun he had, I have one like it and it is a shitty design. But he took it there to that guy's house and the bullet out of it killed the guy, there is no getting out of it. First degree murder. Funny, his Grandfather was also convicted of murder but only did 11 years, they gave the kid life. But Grampa killed the motherfucker in a bar, that may have been the difference. The kid went to the guy's house. But my family never shot anyone. We WILL, but only for good reason. Whether you believe it or not, you WANT us as neighbors because we do not put up with that crime shit. Neighborhood watch on steroids. Yes, I have been i a few illegal enterprises. Never got caught and neve shot anyone. The olman had a chop shop. Later we dealt hot electrical materials. Later we bought up every firearm we could find. But we did not hurt people. There is a big fucking difference here. I also sold drugs here and there, but stopped because the profit was not worth the risk. WE did all kinds of shit. The olman bought machinery to make silencers but never got to it. Had a stroke. We never cared what the law said but we had morals. No desire to hurt or steal from anyone, at least after a certain time. Gave it up. these days you can trust me with a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Mainly, like the song says, if I didn't earn it I don't want it. I am done with that shit, I got a skill now and other than knowing it is wrong, I just don't want it. And it is not like I found religion, I am a stone atheist. I just think the world works better when people treat each other right and do not fuck them over. there is a large contingent of people in this country who actually believe that morality is impossible without religion. Well first of all they are wrong. What's more there are more fakes, people who will fuck you over left and right and go to church on Sunday. And as soon as they walk out the door they got their mind on their money and their money on their mind. (Gin And Juice, The Gourds or Snoop Dog, whichever you prefer) Yes, I have alot of history to deal with and some measure of guilt, but these days you got nothing to worry about. And thsat is not just because of my health. I can barely walk. But these decisions to be good came when I was healthy. I used to be able to stand up straight fro sitting on a floor with legs crossed. I used to be able to lift the back end of most small cars. The decision to be good came back then. I will not steal, well honestly, if it is over $300,000 and I am sure to get away with it then I might. But I do not know where to go. Whatever cinnections I have are here. Maybe that is part of what "being part of the community" means. But have no worries about my guns, I am unlikely to ever use them. But I still go by the axiom that it is better to have it and not need it. T^T I have to tell you I love these stories you tell. Your a very likeable atheist. These stories remind me of My uncle receiving the name Bubba. Big gorilla of a man, looked really scArey, and he could be if prompted. The funny thing is he was at his core a gentle giant and would give the shirt off his back if he liked you or if he saw an injustice done ...wow... Look out. Anyway he was going through a divorce, his kids were driving him nuts, and my grandma was dying and my grandpa had just died. He went to a bar and overloaded on whiskey. Very close to last call, some guy who he found a real ass, said he was going to play a song on the jukebox, my uncle said Like hell you are but the dude played it anyway. I never know what song the guy played, but jon shot the jukebox that night. Yep he went to jail for a brief time. I'd guess you would make an excellent neighbor, as long as my cat didn't crap in your roses while you were drinking whiskey. Lol. Anyway this ones for you Termy http://youtu.be/7VKdwx5AB5k

Lucylastic -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 7:23:09 AM)
PS, so why wont the republicans look at a bill to let the CDC DO studies on the subject to be able to provide facts, on gun victims, both killed and merely injured. Let them do a wide study on defensive gun uses instead of relying on a study (the infamous kleck) done in 2009 with only 5000 people, and let it be done yearly.

BamaD -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 9:17:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67 quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or ". One example; I used to belong to a gun club whose insurance carrier required all club members to be NRA members. In the 7 years I was a member there, I know of six instances where members were arrested and convicted for firearm theft on the club's property." Where the fuck do you live, Zimbabwe, or maybe Chicago ? Geez, that is pretty bad. "Being mathematically possible is an astronomical leap from "VERY probable". " Disagree. I know improbable and impossible are two different things but almost impossible DOES mean improbable. And I said almost. "Really? The tales you have told about life in Termyland and of "the olman" paint quite a different picture." Never shot anyone though. I think that makes a difference. Have seen shootings, all kinds of shit but we used to hang around West 25th street in Cleveland a long time ago. Let me give you some advice, if someone comes in and shoots someone at the bar, just drink your drink. If they start shooting up the place then take your gun, tur around lsowly and aim and blow their fucking head off. Everyone in the bars here who got shot had it coming. They either beat up the wrong person or ripped off the wrong person. You have any idea of the ramifications of killing someone, especially with a gun ? It is damn fucking hard to get away with. I know a guy who started a life sentence at 18 years old over that shit. And he didn't actually want to kill the guy but he did. He was afraid of the guy ad it had something to do with a girl. But I know the gun he had, I have one like it and it is a shitty design. But he took it there to that guy's house and the bullet out of it killed the guy, there is no getting out of it. First degree murder. Funny, his Grandfather was also convicted of murder but only did 11 years, they gave the kid life. But Grampa killed the motherfucker in a bar, that may have been the difference. The kid went to the guy's house. But my family never shot anyone. We WILL, but only for good reason. Whether you believe it or not, you WANT us as neighbors because we do not put up with that crime shit. Neighborhood watch on steroids. Yes, I have been i a few illegal enterprises. Never got caught and neve shot anyone. The olman had a chop shop. Later we dealt hot electrical materials. Later we bought up every firearm we could find. But we did not hurt people. There is a big fucking difference here. I also sold drugs here and there, but stopped because the profit was not worth the risk. WE did all kinds of shit. The olman bought machinery to make silencers but never got to it. Had a stroke. We never cared what the law said but we had morals. No desire to hurt or steal from anyone, at least after a certain time. Gave it up. these days you can trust me with a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Mainly, like the song says, if I didn't earn it I don't want it. I am done with that shit, I got a skill now and other than knowing it is wrong, I just don't want it. And it is not like I found religion, I am a stone atheist. I just think the world works better when people treat each other right and do not fuck them over. there is a large contingent of people in this country who actually believe that morality is impossible without religion. Well first of all they are wrong. What's more there are more fakes, people who will fuck you over left and right and go to church on Sunday. And as soon as they walk out the door they got their mind on their money and their money on their mind. (Gin And Juice, The Gourds or Snoop Dog, whichever you prefer) Yes, I have alot of history to deal with and some measure of guilt, but these days you got nothing to worry about. And thsat is not just because of my health. I can barely walk. But these decisions to be good came when I was healthy. I used to be able to stand up straight fro sitting on a floor with legs crossed. I used to be able to lift the back end of most small cars. The decision to be good came back then. I will not steal, well honestly, if it is over $300,000 and I am sure to get away with it then I might. But I do not know where to go. Whatever cinnections I have are here. Maybe that is part of what "being part of the community" means. But have no worries about my guns, I am unlikely to ever use them. But I still go by the axiom that it is better to have it and not need it. T^T I have to tell you I love these stories you tell. Your a very likeable atheist. These stories remind me of My uncle receiving the name Bubba. Big gorilla of a man, looked really scArey, and he could be if prompted. The funny thing is he was at his core a gentle giant and would give the shirt off his back if he liked you or if he saw an injustice done ...wow... Look out. Anyway he was going through a divorce, his kids were driving him nuts, and my grandma was dying and my grandpa had just died. He went to a bar and overloaded on whiskey. Very close to last call, some guy who he found a real ass, said he was going to play a song on the jukebox, my uncle said Like hell you are but the dude played it anyway. I never know what song the guy played, but jon shot the jukebox that night. Yep he went to jail for a brief time. I'd guess you would make an excellent neighbor, as long as my cat didn't crap in your roses while you were drinking whiskey. Lol. Anyway this ones for you Termy http://youtu.be/7VKdwx5AB5k And they wrote a country song about it called Bubba shot the juke box. "Reckless hell I hit right where I was aiming"

Lisatgurl -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 8:12:35 PM)
More guns in good guys hands less murders by bad guys. Simple logic

markyugen -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 8:29:26 PM)
Until the NRA makes its membership list public this is a pointless debate.

Termyn8or -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 8:35:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods How about Robert Dowlut? Harlon Carter? There's two, out of how many millions ? Your challenge was to produce one. You have a couple there. Touche, but you did not make a point. T^T

thompsonx -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 8:36:10 PM)
ORIGINAL: Lisatgurl More guns in good guys hands less murders by bad guys. Simple logic How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys? Convoluted logic.

BamaD -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 8:51:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: markyugen Until the NRA makes its membership list public this is a pointless debate. And what possible reason would they have for doing that?

BamaD -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/23/2016 8:52:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Lisatgurl More guns in good guys hands less murders by bad guys. Simple logic How do you tell the good guys from the bad guys? Convoluted logic. The guy breaking into my house in the middle of the night would be a bad guy. The guy who starts shooting up the restaurunt would be a bad guy.

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