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Kirata -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/24/2016 11:43:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I've seen the sort of people here who think/believe they will go to the christians' heaven and if that's what it's going to be full of, I don't want to go there.

You're assuming they're right.

K.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 1:01:12 AM)

Nope, I'm assuming nothing. There is nothing there to hang an assumption on.




thompsonx -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 3:04:20 AM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD
ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

I've got NO chance of heaven then *smile*. There again, I'm not sure I ever did have.

Everyone has a chance, remenber the thieve on the cross.

[8|]




WhoreMods -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 5:08:28 AM)


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Not as often as a firearm but they have been used to devastating effect, and to kill more people than even this latest traggety. This specifically includes a home made bomb in one instance and gasoline in another. I'm not going to mention other methods that as of yet haven't been used. I don't want to spread any ideas to some lunatic who might otherwise decide not to use a firearm to kill as many people as he possibility can.

Congratulations on the flimsiest excuse I've seen in here yet.


I have no idea what excuse you're referring to. What exactly do you mean ?


That.
Very flimsy excuse indeed.




lovmuffin -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 7:15:09 AM)


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Not as often as a firearm but they have been used to devastating effect, and to kill more people than even this latest traggety. This specifically includes a home made bomb in one instance and gasoline in another. I'm not going to mention other methods that as of yet haven't been used. I don't want to spread any ideas to some lunatic who might otherwise decide not to use a firearm to kill as many people as he possibility can.

Congratulations on the flimsiest excuse I've seen in here yet.


I have no idea what excuse you're referring to. What exactly do you mean ?


That.
Very flimsy excuse indeed.



An excuse for what exactly ? Ya really think it's a kewl idea to spell out some other methods for mass murder ? Maybe you think it would be wonderful reading to list a few ways to make bombs or fire even more effective than what has been demonstrated in the past ? You're talking in circles. Spell it out dude.




Awareness -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 7:22:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You people pick on the NRA and think they are all nuts, but I have yet to see one report of any of their members going postal, or even committing a murder and in fact any crime at all.
You think the 3.5 million NRA members keep their cards in their wallet just so they can be profiled when they commit a crime? Or is it perhaps, that the NRA does its best to prevent information on NRA members committing crimes from being published?

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Their goal is to keep laws from being passed that violate the Constitution, does that sound like a bunch of criminals to you ?
False. The second amendment is - first and foremost - AN AMENDMENT. It codifies a specific right but EVEN IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT ITSELF it relates this to a well-regulated militia. The corruption of the second amendment to mean a right of personal firearm possession independent of a militia did not take place until the 70's and it's only recently that corrupt sons of bitches such as Scalia have broadened this even further.

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The NRA used to sponsor gun safety classes and actually had advertisers selling liability insurance in their publication.
They used to, yes. Now they're a front for firearm manufacturers who make billions of dollars out of scaring Americans into believing their neighbours are coming to kill them.

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Do the hoplophobes here read any of their publications ? Or ever have ?
Why the fuck would I read a bunch of masturbatory propaganda designed to prop up the poor self-image of unaccomplished white men?

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Admittedly I have not for a while and I will not join because then your name is on a list and I have that much distrust for this government that I believe one day they will get that list and go door to door. Maybe not now, but in the future.
Dude, you are so far fucking removed from reality, it's unbelievable. Let me explain this to you REAL SLOW. The government doesn't need to come to your door with guns. The corporations already have you by the short and curlies. Do you think you'd survive for one moment without your gasoline, your electricity, your hot and cold running water and the massive fucking infrastructure that brings your food and water to you?

The answer is fucking no - no matter what kind of a fucking prepper nutcase you might be. People are addicted to their modern lifestyle and it's only in masturbatory fucking power fantasies that they think they're going to go down in some kind of righteous last stand against an ebil tyrannical government. Need I remind you - DRONES!

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They keep on getting more and more totalitarian by the week and they are never going to back off until the final collapse. And when, not if that happens you really better have guns. Other countries are stable, it is different there. This is here.
Oh bollocks. Trade is the fundamental aspect which separates profitable nations from primitives in mud huts. Provided the US always has goods and services that others want, there's a powerful incentive to keep the appleecart upright. Crazies trying to sell you guns and canned food have been predicting doomsday scenarios for over a century.

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What's more, liberals spend all kinds of tie figuring out how to thwart the Constitution and that includes the second amendment, but what do you expect from people who actually do realize that they are the ones who need to be shot ?
Statements like that is why people like you shouldn't have guns. You're too emotionally unstable to be trusted with them.

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Gunophobes will never get what they want. Years ago a friend of mine shot some punk in the back and got away with it. Why ? Because he had stolen a gun and my friend believed he had a duty to stop this thug. He did not want to see his gun used to hurt anyone who didn't deserve it.
So basically, your friend valued inanimate property over the life of a human being. That pretty much sums up the psychopathy of you gun nuts.

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The cops put him on ice for 72 hours but in the end he was not charged, and they even gave back the gun he used to shoot the punk. I watched his house while he was detained in case others came and wanted to burn him out or whatever.
What? You mean despite your access to the all-powerful issue-resolving potential of the gun, you had a fear that things might ESCALATE? How could this be?

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Does that sound nuts to you ?
Yes, it sounds absolutely fucking unhinged. You think a stolen gun is more likely to be used to hurt someone than a gun acquired legally. That is fucking mental. Most gun-related crimes are committed with firearms acquired legally, but let's not let facts stand in the way of your fucking fantasy world.

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The only mistake he made was to not keep all but one gun locked up, but he had a rack on the wall. People used to have those. Know why they could have those ? Because people had respect for each other and the others property.
If your gun is locked in a safe, THEN IT'S NO FUCKING PROTECTION. You think people ANNOUNCE they're coming over to rob you? Christ, I can see why the average IQ of gun owners is in the 90's.

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Even though I am not a member of that or any other organization I understand the mentality. You KILL criminals. If they are in your house without your permission and especially if the steal or vandalise your stuff, you ARE judge, jury and executioner.
That's an insane power fantasy brought on by too much exposure to American television and movies. Honestly you really should have grown up by now. And know that Castle doctrine really only applies in the redneck Southern states. If you shoot an unarmed burglar in the North without due cause, you're probably going to jail.

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And the supreme court agrees. The evidence is conclusive if they are there, period

Now that the supreme court agrees, how crazy are they ?
Bought by firearm manufacturers. In time, a more sane Supreme court will prevail. Provided the number of pathetic gun nuts with no fucking manhood actually drops.

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But the bottom line is people will support the NAACP, La Raza, anything but a White group, and the NRA, while they do have plenty of minority members, is mainly a White group. Actually they did reach out many years ago to minorities, even offered a discount on the dues for the first couple years but met with little success. Know why ? The minorities did not want their names on a list that will eventually fall into government hands. That is why I don't get a CCW.
The NRA is primarily a white group, because it's primarily white man who aren't taught to be fucking men and need a gun to make them feel powerful. Do you know where power comes from? It's a product of who you are, your mind, your experiences, your ability to think, plan and execute. The gun is for pathetic specimens who have no personal fucking power and that disease is more prevalent amongst the white community. (Ironically, feminism has only made this worse.)

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Almost every other country on this planet has taken the guns away from the People. You think it can't happen here ?


A) No, they haven't. Idiot.
B) I hope so. If there's one thing the "People" have proved, it's that they can't be trusted with guns.

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You want to stop school shootings, ban Prozac, SSRIs, ADHD drugs, all psychotropic drugs. Make the shrink work for their money instead of just writing prescriptions. When you look at these mass shooters, I defy you to find one that was an NRA member. What's more, I defy you to find many that were not on some sort of prescribed psyche drug.
Typical NRA deflection. Most mass shootings - indeed, most shootings - are executed by sane people who are not suffering from mental illness.

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So troubleshoot the problem logically and get back to me. I am tired of the bullshit.
I have. People are too fucking emotional to be trusted with weapons to resolve their interpersonal disputes. Combined with a violent culture which promotes gun violence as the primary method of resolving interpersonal disputes, it makes for a cocktail of an unreasoning populace who can't think straight enough to use weapons wisely. The guns have to go.




BamaD -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 8:48:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You people pick on the NRA and think they are all nuts, but I have yet to see one report of any of their members going postal, or even committing a murder and in fact any crime at all.
You think the 3.5 million NRA members keep their cards in their wallet just so they can be profiled when they commit a crime? Or is it perhaps, that the NRA does its best to prevent information on NRA members committing crimes from being published?

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Their goal is to keep laws from being passed that violate the Constitution, does that sound like a bunch of criminals to you ?
False. The second amendment is - first and foremost - AN AMENDMENT. It codifies a specific right but EVEN IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT ITSELF it relates this to a well-regulated militia. The corruption of the second amendment to mean a right of personal firearm possession independent of a militia did not take place until the 70's and it's only recently that corrupt sons of bitches such as Scalia have broadened this even further.

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The NRA used to sponsor gun safety classes and actually had advertisers selling liability insurance in their publication.
They used to, yes. Now they're a front for firearm manufacturers who make billions of dollars out of scaring Americans into believing their neighbours are coming to kill them.

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Do the hoplophobes here read any of their publications ? Or ever have ?
Why the fuck would I read a bunch of masturbatory propaganda designed to prop up the poor self-image of unaccomplished white men?

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Admittedly I have not for a while and I will not join because then your name is on a list and I have that much distrust for this government that I believe one day they will get that list and go door to door. Maybe not now, but in the future.
Dude, you are so far fucking removed from reality, it's unbelievable. Let me explain this to you REAL SLOW. The government doesn't need to come to your door with guns. The corporations already have you by the short and curlies. Do you think you'd survive for one moment without your gasoline, your electricity, your hot and cold running water and the massive fucking infrastructure that brings your food and water to you?

The answer is fucking no - no matter what kind of a fucking prepper nutcase you might be. People are addicted to their modern lifestyle and it's only in masturbatory fucking power fantasies that they think they're going to go down in some kind of righteous last stand against an ebil tyrannical government. Need I remind you - DRONES!

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They keep on getting more and more totalitarian by the week and they are never going to back off until the final collapse. And when, not if that happens you really better have guns. Other countries are stable, it is different there. This is here.
Oh bollocks. Trade is the fundamental aspect which separates profitable nations from primitives in mud huts. Provided the US always has goods and services that others want, there's a powerful incentive to keep the appleecart upright. Crazies trying to sell you guns and canned food have been predicting doomsday scenarios for over a century.

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What's more, liberals spend all kinds of tie figuring out how to thwart the Constitution and that includes the second amendment, but what do you expect from people who actually do realize that they are the ones who need to be shot ?
Statements like that is why people like you shouldn't have guns. You're too emotionally unstable to be trusted with them.

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Gunophobes will never get what they want. Years ago a friend of mine shot some punk in the back and got away with it. Why ? Because he had stolen a gun and my friend believed he had a duty to stop this thug. He did not want to see his gun used to hurt anyone who didn't deserve it.
So basically, your friend valued inanimate property over the life of a human being. That pretty much sums up the psychopathy of you gun nuts.

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The cops put him on ice for 72 hours but in the end he was not charged, and they even gave back the gun he used to shoot the punk. I watched his house while he was detained in case others came and wanted to burn him out or whatever.
What? You mean despite your access to the all-powerful issue-resolving potential of the gun, you had a fear that things might ESCALATE? How could this be?

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Does that sound nuts to you ?
Yes, it sounds absolutely fucking unhinged. You think a stolen gun is more likely to be used to hurt someone than a gun acquired legally. That is fucking mental. Most gun-related crimes are committed with firearms acquired legally, but let's not let facts stand in the way of your fucking fantasy world.

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The only mistake he made was to not keep all but one gun locked up, but he had a rack on the wall. People used to have those. Know why they could have those ? Because people had respect for each other and the others property.
If your gun is locked in a safe, THEN IT'S NO FUCKING PROTECTION. You think people ANNOUNCE they're coming over to rob you? Christ, I can see why the average IQ of gun owners is in the 90's.

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Even though I am not a member of that or any other organization I understand the mentality. You KILL criminals. If they are in your house without your permission and especially if the steal or vandalise your stuff, you ARE judge, jury and executioner.
That's an insane power fantasy brought on by too much exposure to American television and movies. Honestly you really should have grown up by now. And know that Castle doctrine really only applies in the redneck Southern states. If you shoot an unarmed burglar in the North without due cause, you're probably going to jail.

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And the supreme court agrees. The evidence is conclusive if they are there, period

Now that the supreme court agrees, how crazy are they ?
Bought by firearm manufacturers. In time, a more sane Supreme court will prevail. Provided the number of pathetic gun nuts with no fucking manhood actually drops.

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But the bottom line is people will support the NAACP, La Raza, anything but a White group, and the NRA, while they do have plenty of minority members, is mainly a White group. Actually they did reach out many years ago to minorities, even offered a discount on the dues for the first couple years but met with little success. Know why ? The minorities did not want their names on a list that will eventually fall into government hands. That is why I don't get a CCW.
The NRA is primarily a white group, because it's primarily white man who aren't taught to be fucking men and need a gun to make them feel powerful. Do you know where power comes from? It's a product of who you are, your mind, your experiences, your ability to think, plan and execute. The gun is for pathetic specimens who have no personal fucking power and that disease is more prevalent amongst the white community. (Ironically, feminism has only made this worse.)

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Almost every other country on this planet has taken the guns away from the People. You think it can't happen here ?


A) No, they haven't. Idiot.
B) I hope so. If there's one thing the "People" have proved, it's that they can't be trusted with guns.

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You want to stop school shootings, ban Prozac, SSRIs, ADHD drugs, all psychotropic drugs. Make the shrink work for their money instead of just writing prescriptions. When you look at these mass shooters, I defy you to find one that was an NRA member. What's more, I defy you to find many that were not on some sort of prescribed psyche drug.
Typical NRA deflection. Most mass shootings - indeed, most shootings - are executed by sane people who are not suffering from mental illness.

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So troubleshoot the problem logically and get back to me. I am tired of the bullshit.
I have. People are too fucking emotional to be trusted with weapons to resolve their interpersonal disputes. Combined with a violent culture which promotes gun violence as the primary method of resolving interpersonal disputes, it makes for a cocktail of an unreasoning populace who can't think straight enough to use weapons wisely. The guns have to go.

NRA members do not need to be profiled by thier cards.
Virtually every mass shooting is declared right off (not by people like you but by media types who are suppossed to know what they are doing) to be done by a NRA member, even when there turns out not even to be a shooter.

It is the right to bear arms, not the privilage to bear arms.
Thus it pertains to the individual, not the borg.




lovmuffin -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 9:10:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

False. The second amendment is - first and foremost - AN AMENDMENT. It codifies a specific right but EVEN IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT ITSELF it relates this to a well-regulated militia. The corruption of the second amendment to mean a right of personal firearm possession independent of a militia did not take place until the 70's and it's only recently that corrupt sons of bitches such as Scalia have broadened this even further.


Once again you repeat the same bullshit. Many of the gun threads in CS days gone by have had links and quotes of the founding fathers posted for all you guys who try deliberately taking the militia clause out of context. So I'm just going to repost what Kirata said in your stupid gun poll thread on page 7. I guess you must have missed it.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

You are full of shit.

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people... ~George Mason

The great object is that every man be armed ~Patrick Henry

The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ~Samuel Adams

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes ~Thomas Jefferson

Everywhere that the Constitution refers to a "right of the people" it intends an individual right. The prefatory phrase is neither the main clause nor does it say anything about repelling invasions. The security of a free state does not exclude and arguably requires the right of the People to defend themselves both individually and collectively.

See also regarding Heller...

The Court reached this conclusion after a textual analysis of the Amendment, an examination of the historical use of prefatory phrases in statutes, and a detailed exploration of the 18th century meaning of phrases found in the Amendment... Finally, the Court reviewed contemporaneous state constitutions, post-enactment commentary, and subsequent case law to conclude that the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms extended beyond the context of militia service to include self-defense. ~S. Doc. 112-9 - Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis, and Interpretation

Nor was Heller anything new....

To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. ~Wilson vs State of Arkansas, Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

K.




Of course you're also full of shit about the NRA. They still do offer the insurance along with a magazine, a hat, a patch and a decal for your vehicle. I myself don't use the decals, patches or hat as not to advertise the fact that I might have a gun. The NRA protects the Second Amendment as well as standing up for individual gun owners and the firearm and accessory manufacturers. They still sponsor gun safety classes, teach gun safety to kids, train law enforcement plus they train and certify firearm training / safety instructors.





WhoreMods -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 9:16:54 AM)


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Not as often as a firearm but they have been used to devastating effect, and to kill more people than even this latest traggety. This specifically includes a home made bomb in one instance and gasoline in another. I'm not going to mention other methods that as of yet haven't been used. I don't want to spread any ideas to some lunatic who might otherwise decide not to use a firearm to kill as many people as he possibility can.

Congratulations on the flimsiest excuse I've seen in here yet.


I have no idea what excuse you're referring to. What exactly do you mean ?


That.
Very flimsy excuse indeed.



An excuse for what exactly ? Ya really think it's a kewl idea to spell out some other methods for mass murder ? Maybe you think it would be wonderful reading to list a few ways to make bombs or fire even more effective than what has been demonstrated in the past ? You're talking in circles. Spell it out dude.

Somebody who needs instructions to build a bomb will use a gun instead, if one is available.
Hence the fact that the vast majority of mass murders in the 'States involve guns.




DarkSalacious -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 9:22:23 AM)

Be under no illusion this is not an illusory post, I have seen it happen here all too often cleared that up? Good
As I have said(yes tis i) a great numerous plethora of times.


Guns kill all other arguments are invalid

so the nuances of this thread:
1. NRA members 3 million allegedly none of harmed another huwman, or fly, or magnificent lion of the Serengeti, bear(armless), duck etc
Number of boom sticks in America 300 million
Population of America 340 million
Death by Gun in America per annum 35 000

Still, those are some rough figures, I am occupied writing, if one of you could come back with actual facts.
Although I still do not understand the statement show me one NRA member who committed murder BY you alluding that to be a truism, when it is not, all else that follows is sophistry

as for the rest: who is a member of the nra, GOP, communist Bernie camp, green peace, - it has nothing to do with the price of cheese.

Can one of you produce a better list:
Druggie
Alky
Cult Sect religion
Terrorist affiliation
Enraged worker
Homophobic/hate crime
Unknown
Suicide
Accidental

But the parent group of this is guns--->death--->subsets







lovmuffin -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 9:56:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Somebody who needs instructions to build a bomb will use a gun instead, if one is available.
Hence the fact that the vast majority of mass murders in the 'States involve guns.


I'm not sure how the term *excuse* comes into it for some potential crazy ass though I see the point you just made and perhaps you're right, at least at this moment.

However, the whole idea of gun control, or at least one part of its many flavors is to ban and dry up access of semiautomatics to the general public. I would not agree that this would even be possible in the US but for the sake of argument lets assume that it is. If some crazy ass whack job wants to commit mass murder but can't get his hands on a semiauto with high capacity magazines or whatever, then he has no other choice but to follow those instructions for building a bomb, using a method of arson or some other more devastating method as of yet untried or unmentioned.

Not only that but the semiautomatic class of firearms is not the only class of weapons capable of commiting mass murder on a scale that we've seen in recent years.

The mass murder problem is really more complicated than the methodology.




WhoreMods -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:15:11 AM)


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Somebody who needs instructions to build a bomb will use a gun instead, if one is available.
Hence the fact that the vast majority of mass murders in the 'States involve guns.


I'm not sure how the term *excuse* comes into it for some potential crazy ass though I see the point you just made and perhaps you're right, at least at this moment.

However, the whole idea of gun control, or at least one part of its many flavors is to ban and dry up access of semiautomatics to the general public. I would not agree that this would even be possible in the US but for the sake of argument lets assume that it is. If some crazy ass whack job wants to commit mass murder but can't get his hands on a semiauto with high capacity magazines or whatever, then he has no other choice but to follow those instructions for building a bomb, using a method of arson or some other more devastating method as of yet untried or unmentioned.

Not only that but the semiautomatic class of firearms is not the only class of weapons capable of commiting mass murder on a scale that we've seen in recent years.


Can you name any mass murderers whose tantrums involved explosives or chemical weapons rather than firearms this side of McVeigh back in '95?




lovmuffin -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:30:49 AM)

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Can you name any mass murderers whose tantrums involved explosives or chemical weapons rather than firearms this side of McVeigh back in '95?


No I can't other than the guy who used gasoline to start by a fire at a night club and killed 80 or so people (I think that was before 95). I said as much back on post #95. You may need to reread post #131 a few times to get my point. I'm not sure how I can rewrite it for you. The problem of mass murder goes far beyond the issue of methodology.




WhoreMods -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:44:08 AM)

Not in your country it doesn't if you can't think of another spree killing this side of '95 that didn't involve an inadequate shooting people, but whatever.




Lucylastic -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:51:23 AM)


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Can you name any mass murderers whose tantrums involved explosives or chemical weapons rather than firearms this side of McVeigh back in '95?


No I can't other than the guy who used gasoline to start by a fire at a night club and killed 80 or so people (I think that was before 95). I said as much back on post #95. You may need to reread post #131 a few times to get my point. I'm not sure how I can rewrite it for you. The problem of mass murder goes far beyond the issue of methodology.

THe happyland arson was in 90
26 years ago..
so yeah one arson.

How many people murdered by guns in 26 years?
How many mass shootings in 26 years?




CarpeComa -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:53:10 AM)

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Somebody who needs instructions to build a bomb will use a gun instead, if one is available.
Hence the fact that the vast majority of mass murders in the 'States involve guns.


I'm not sure how the term *excuse* comes into it for some potential crazy ass though I see the point you just made and perhaps you're right, at least at this moment.

However, the whole idea of gun control, or at least one part of its many flavors is to ban and dry up access of semiautomatics to the general public. I would not agree that this would even be possible in the US but for the sake of argument lets assume that it is. If some crazy ass whack job wants to commit mass murder but can't get his hands on a semiauto with high capacity magazines or whatever, then he has no other choice but to follow those instructions for building a bomb, using a method of arson or some other more devastating method as of yet untried or unmentioned.

Not only that but the semiautomatic class of firearms is not the only class of weapons capable of commiting mass murder on a scale that we've seen in recent years.


Can you name any mass murderers whose tantrums involved explosives or chemical weapons rather than firearms this side of McVeigh back in '95?


Yes. There was a gassing in Tokyo a few years back Link. The 7/7 attacks in England Link. The columbiners also had explosives. Part of the reason given for the slow advance of police in Orlando was suspicion that the shooter also had explosives. There was another NY bombing attempt that fizzled Link.

Explosives are hard though. It is estimated that you need an IQ of least 120 to reliably use them. 130+ plus to reliably use them and not kill yourself in the process. So most people either blow themselves up first, or the explosive(s) fizzle, so you don't hear about them.

Guns are relatively easy. But even without guns, people can use vehicles, knives Link, toxins, and government. The greatest mass murders in history were executed by those in power. Every civilian instigated mass murder combined is rendered infinitesimal by comparison. So you might be able to see why I am skeptical that giving the government a monopoly on effective arms is a recipe for a safe populace. Arguing for gun control on the basis of safety, is like being focused on preventing falling pianos in a war zone. Your understanding as to the real source of danger is lacking.




Lucylastic -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:55:39 AM)

no




CarpeComa -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:58:16 AM)


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no



The only proper response to that.




lovmuffin -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 10:59:11 AM)

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Not in your country it doesn't if you can't think of another spree killing this side of '95 that didn't involve an inadequate shooting people, but whatever.


I'm not sure what you mean by inadequate shooting people. My whole point is, assuming you could prevent a potential mass muderer from getting his hands on a semiautomatic, he will find another way to kill and it would likely be more devastating than using a gun.

ETA: And what CarpeComa said above.




lovmuffin -> RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder (6/25/2016 11:14:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Can you name any mass murderers whose tantrums involved explosives or chemical weapons rather than firearms this side of McVeigh back in '95?


No I can't other than the guy who used gasoline to start by a fire at a night club and killed 80 or so people (I think that was before 95). I said as much back on post #95. You may need to reread post #131 a few times to get my point. I'm not sure how I can rewrite it for you. The problem of mass murder goes far beyond the issue of methodology.

THe happyland arson was in 90
26 years ago..
so yeah one arson.

How many people murdered by guns in 26 years?
How many mass shootings in 26 years?



And yet once again, someone misses the point.




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