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BamaD -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 7:10:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set. You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours. I already did so where is your cite Gomer..

thompsonx -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 7:16:24 AM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set. You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours. I already did so where is your cite Gomer.. Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife.

mnottertail -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 7:41:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail How is the ACLU doing on the no fly list? they brought a case yet? Yes. Does Google not work for you?. Why, Why yes it does. So, they have not brought the case against the no-fly list itself, I was checking to see if I missed anything. I didn't therefore we must assume that nobody sees the no-fly list as unconstitutional, god knows the nutsuckers who created it in law didn't, but the bitch is, we dont want them flying because they could kill people, but we want them to buy guns so they can kill people. Anyone want to waltz me thru the nuances of this? The teary eyed pantshitting by the nutsuckers in congress, oh, there are mistakes in it and Ted Kennedy cant fly. Listen up nutsuckers that is disingenuous, you made the broken fuckin nutsucker law, you are a nutsucker legislator, fix your broken nutsucker law.

tweakabelle -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 7:57:44 AM)
It seems to me that there are two different issues here. One is the imperative to deny firearms to terrorists or alleged terrorists. The other is a no fly list that is by all accounts a rather shoddy piece of work. There doesn't appear to me to be any over riding reason why the two are linked. There are good reasons why the no fly list is not appropriate as a basis for determining whether a person should be allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Here is one such argument. Is it impossible to establish grounds/a system for preventing legal access to firearms to terrorists without using the no fly list? Surely not. So the flaws of the no fly list are not a persuasive reason why no effort can be made to prevent terrorists accessing firearms legally.

BamaD -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 8:00:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set. You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours. I already did so where is your cite Gomer.. Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife. Then you can't read.

BamaD -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 8:06:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle It seems to me that there are two different issues here. One is the imperative to deny firearms to terrorists or alleged terrorists. The other is a no fly list that is by all accounts a rather shoddy piece of work. There doesn't appear to me to be any over riding reason why the two are linked. There are good reasons why the no fly list is not appropriate as a basis for determining whether a person should be allowed to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Here is one such argument. Is it impossible to establish grounds/a system for preventing legal access to firearms to terrorists without using the no fly list? Surely not. So the flaws of the no fly list are not a persuasive reason why no effort can be made to prevent terrorists accessing firearms legally. Find a system that doesn't sweep up a bunch of innocent people sure nail the terrorists. Unfortunately the people who are pushing this don't want that they want to use a shoddy system that requires no proof of anything. My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights.

tweakabelle -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 8:37:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights. I found myself nodding in agreement with you ( I was surprised too!) until I got to the "but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible " bit. So it's just another kneejerk reaction to any proposal about gun rights in any way shape or form. I really don't know how a proposal to deny terrorists legal access to firearms mutates into the nationwide mass gun grab you are suggesting it is. You really need to have sawdust laced with liberal doses of paranoia for brains to think that. But who am I to talk? Keep on thinking in outmoded cliches, reacting in time honoured kneejerk fashion and never give an inch - it seems a strategy that is guaranteed to deliver results and actually solve the problem, though I hasten to add, neither the results nor the solution will be to your liking.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 11:23:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set. You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours. I already did so where is your cite Gomer.. Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife. The senator DID say what Bama said: The main sticking point to resolving congressional disputes over gun control is balancing the constitutional right to due process with the urgency to prevent future terrorist shootings like the one that claimed the lives of 49 people, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday. "The problem we have, and really the firewall we have right now is due process. It's all due process," Manchin said during a discussion on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "So we can all say we want the same thing, but how do we get there?" Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn's (R-Texas) proposal would allow the attorney general to delay the purchase of a gun for up to three days, while Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) has introduced legislation that would require the attorney general to submit terror watch lists to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as a check on power. "If a person is on the terrorist watch list like the gentleman, the shooter in Orlando, twice by the FBI, we were briefed yesterday about what happened but that man was brought in twice. They did everything they could," Manchin said. "The FBI did everything they were supposed to do but there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. There was no way to do that. So can’t we say that if a person under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits, maybe we could come to that type of an agreement. But due process is what's killing us right now." http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/joe-manchin-gun-control-224425 Oliver Darcy Jun. 16, 2016, 10:00 AM 5,548 25 A US senator bemoaned Thursday morning that the constitutional right to due process "is what's killing us right now." Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that the right to due process, guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution, had made it difficult to pass gun-control legislation denying those on the FBI's terror watch list the ability to purchase a firearm. "The firewall we have right now is due process," the West Virginia senator said. "It's all due process." In the aftermath of the Orlando terror attack, which claimed the lives of 49 people, Democrats have renewed calls for legislation aimed at blocking individuals on the terror watch list from being able to buy a gun. Republicans have argued against such legislation, contending it would be wrong to strip citizens of their Second Amendment right without being convicted of a crime. Manchin noted that the FBI "did everything they were supposed to do," but had "no way" of blocking the Orlando attacker from purchasing a firearm. The bureau conducted two investigations into the shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, but closed both after determining he was not a threat. "There was no way to do that," he said. The senator floated the idea of enacting a five-year cooling period, something he said could perhaps garner bipartisan support. "So can't we say that if a person is under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits?" he asked. "Maybe we can come to that kind of an agreement." He added: "But due process is what's killing us right now." http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6 So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark?

mnottertail -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 11:53:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set. You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours. I already did so where is your cite Gomer.. Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife. The senator DID say what Bama said: The main sticking point to resolving congressional disputes over gun control is balancing the constitutional right to due process with the urgency to prevent future terrorist shootings like the one that claimed the lives of 49 people, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday. "The problem we have, and really the firewall we have right now is due process. It's all due process," Manchin said during a discussion on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "So we can all say we want the same thing, but how do we get there?" Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn's (R-Texas) proposal would allow the attorney general to delay the purchase of a gun for up to three days, while Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) has introduced legislation that would require the attorney general to submit terror watch lists to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as a check on power. "If a person is on the terrorist watch list like the gentleman, the shooter in Orlando, twice by the FBI, we were briefed yesterday about what happened but that man was brought in twice. They did everything they could," Manchin said. "The FBI did everything they were supposed to do but there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. There was no way to do that. So can’t we say that if a person under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits, maybe we could come to that type of an agreement. But due process is what's killing us right now." http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/joe-manchin-gun-control-224425 Oliver Darcy Jun. 16, 2016, 10:00 AM 5,548 25 A US senator bemoaned Thursday morning that the constitutional right to due process "is what's killing us right now." Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that the right to due process, guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution, had made it difficult to pass gun-control legislation denying those on the FBI's terror watch list the ability to purchase a firearm. "The firewall we have right now is due process," the West Virginia senator said. "It's all due process." In the aftermath of the Orlando terror attack, which claimed the lives of 49 people, Democrats have renewed calls for legislation aimed at blocking individuals on the terror watch list from being able to buy a gun. Republicans have argued against such legislation, contending it would be wrong to strip citizens of their Second Amendment right without being convicted of a crime. Manchin noted that the FBI "did everything they were supposed to do," but had "no way" of blocking the Orlando attacker from purchasing a firearm. The bureau conducted two investigations into the shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, but closed both after determining he was not a threat. "There was no way to do that," he said. The senator floated the idea of enacting a five-year cooling period, something he said could perhaps garner bipartisan support. "So can't we say that if a person is under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits?" he asked. "Maybe we can come to that kind of an agreement." He added: "But due process is what's killing us right now." http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6 So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark? So he didnt say what Bama said, which is always the case and you helped prove it. Thanks CD.

Lucylastic -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 12:17:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: here's one that's presently working: Which does not say what BamD claimed, which was that the Dems wanted a bill passed regardless of the outcome of the vote. Did you notice that when the cameras went home so did the brave souls staging the publicity did too. Hmmmmmm so you are still unable to give a quote, but you derail it so you dont have to admit, you bolloxed up. And you wonder why people dont take you seriously. Oh and your comment about the "cameras went home"... THe cameras in the hall were turned off by demand. But the whole of the sit in were shown by streaming videos from cell phones until the end of it right? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-guns-socialmedia-idUSKCN0Z92LQ?mod=related&channelName=politicsNews http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-guns-sitin-idUSKCN0Z91ZS A few hours earlier, Democratic lawmakers ended a sit-in protest in the House of Representatives over guns. Fueled by Chinese food and pizzas, dozens of them stayed on the House floor all night, at times bursting into the civil rights anthem "We Shall Overcome" before giving up their protest after 25 hours. "It's not a struggle that lasts for one day, or one week, or one month, or one year," said Representative John Lewis, a Democrat from Georgia and a key figure in the civil rights protests of the 1960s. "We're going to win the struggle," said Lewis, who led the House sit-in. That it was screened on facebook, periscope and Cspan when they could? heres more ....information for you http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-guns-sitin-idUSKCN0Z91ZS Of the roughly 20 members of Congress who remained at the sit-in overnight, 19 of them used Facebook Live for a total combined viewership of 3 million. “It really connected with people out there,” Congressman Scott Peters told Reuters. "This whole phenomenon with [live video] struck a nerve." Peters used the application Periscope, which is connected to the social media platform Twitter, to send out video. “Without that, think about it, it would have been a caucus meeting where we talk to ourselves," he added. gah

CreativeDominant -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:10:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set. You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours. I already did so where is your cite Gomer.. Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife. The senator DID say what Bama said: The main sticking point to resolving congressional disputes over gun control is balancing the constitutional right to due process with the urgency to prevent future terrorist shootings like the one that claimed the lives of 49 people, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday. "The problem we have, and really the firewall we have right now is due process. It's all due process," Manchin said during a discussion on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "So we can all say we want the same thing, but how do we get there?" Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn's (R-Texas) proposal would allow the attorney general to delay the purchase of a gun for up to three days, while Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) has introduced legislation that would require the attorney general to submit terror watch lists to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as a check on power. "If a person is on the terrorist watch list like the gentleman, the shooter in Orlando, twice by the FBI, we were briefed yesterday about what happened but that man was brought in twice. They did everything they could," Manchin said. "The FBI did everything they were supposed to do but there was no way to keep him on the nix list or keep him off the gun buy list. There was no way to do that. So can’t we say that if a person under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits, maybe we could come to that type of an agreement. But due process is what's killing us right now." http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/joe-manchin-gun-control-224425 Oliver Darcy Jun. 16, 2016, 10:00 AM 5,548 25 A US senator bemoaned Thursday morning that the constitutional right to due process "is what's killing us right now." Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that the right to due process, guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution, had made it difficult to pass gun-control legislation denying those on the FBI's terror watch list the ability to purchase a firearm. "The firewall we have right now is due process," the West Virginia senator said. "It's all due process." In the aftermath of the Orlando terror attack, which claimed the lives of 49 people, Democrats have renewed calls for legislation aimed at blocking individuals on the terror watch list from being able to buy a gun. Republicans have argued against such legislation, contending it would be wrong to strip citizens of their Second Amendment right without being convicted of a crime. Manchin noted that the FBI "did everything they were supposed to do," but had "no way" of blocking the Orlando attacker from purchasing a firearm. The bureau conducted two investigations into the shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, but closed both after determining he was not a threat. "There was no way to do that," he said. The senator floated the idea of enacting a five-year cooling period, something he said could perhaps garner bipartisan support. "So can't we say that if a person is under suspicion, there should be a five-year period of time that we have to see if good behavior, if this person continues the same traits?" he asked. "Maybe we can come to that kind of an agreement." He added: "But due process is what's killing us right now." http://www.businessinsider.com/joe-manchin-due-process-gun-control-2016-6 So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark? So he didnt say what Bama said, which is always the case and you helped prove it. Thanks CD. I don't know why you're thanking me...my post was in response to the idiocy Thompson posted. That was regarding something ELSE Bama said which Thompson claimed to be a lie. Absolutely nothing to do with your post.

mnottertail -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:22:50 PM)
quote: original: BamaD This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. quote: original: CreativeDominant The senator DID say what Bama said: and then you went on to prove he did not say that. "The firewall we have right now is due process," the West Virginia senator said. "It's all due process." and "But due process is what's killing us right now." So he did not say what Bama said in the post you quoted, what post you are talking about I don't know, but not the one you quoted. Anyway, I have a bit of a conundrum talking about due process being a holdup in a law that puts on a list that contains restrictions without due process. Its fucking laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic. Perhaps you meant to quote some other bit of crap.

thompsonx -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:39:04 PM)
ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark? Thank you for proving that bamad is a liar and that what I said was correct. The senator never said "then we will be all set" now did he?

thompsonx -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:42:39 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD ORIGINAL: thompsonx This weekend a Democratic Senator was explaining that the problem here is due process. He said that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set. This week a republican senator was explaining that bamad was a terrorist welfare cheat and that as soon as we can figure out how to get past his viscious dog and his roscoe we will be all set. You will get a cite for this one when you post the cite for yours. I already did so where is your cite Gomer.. Well gomer it appears that I was right you were lying. The senator never said what you said he said. You lie just like bill's wife. Then you can't read. This " But due process is what's killing us right now." Is not the same as this "that as soon as we can figure a way around due process we will be al set." Maybe get grown up to help you with the big words sweetie

thompsonx -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:44:44 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights. Heads up dude the 2nd. ammendment is not half of the constitution. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

BamaD -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:49:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights. I found myself nodding in agreement with you ( I was surprised too!) until I got to the "but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible " bit. So it's just another kneejerk reaction to any proposal about gun rights in any way shape or form. I really don't know how a proposal to deny terrorists legal access to firearms mutates into the nationwide mass gun grab you are suggesting it is. You really need to have sawdust laced with liberal doses of paranoia for brains to think that. But who am I to talk? Keep on thinking in outmoded cliches, reacting in time honoured kneejerk fashion and never give an inch - it seems a strategy that is guaranteed to deliver results and actually solve the problem, though I hasten to add, neither the results nor the solution will be to your liking. No it is not a knee jerk reaction to anything. They want to bar people from getting guns. They want to base it on a lists that they know are worthless. I can't believe that they are stupid enough to think that these lists would accomplish thier proclaimed goal. They are so fixated on thier goal that they are willing to dismantle the 5th, 8th, and 10th amendments. At this point it isn't about guns, it is about people so obsessed with thier goals, regardless of what they are that they consider due process to be a problem. I wouldn't care if they took that approach to building hospitals, that mindset is more dangerous than going through the bad parts of chicago passing out tommy guns, ISIS, and the black plague put together. This isn't about guns it is about people willing to destroy the Constitution to get what they want.

BamaD -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:50:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights. I found myself nodding in agreement with you ( I was surprised too!) until I got to the "but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible " bit. So it's just another kneejerk reaction to any proposal about gun rights in any way shape or form. I really don't know how a proposal to deny terrorists legal access to firearms mutates into the nationwide mass gun grab you are suggesting it is. You really need to have sawdust laced with liberal doses of paranoia for brains to think that. But who am I to talk? Keep on thinking in outmoded cliches, reacting in time honoured kneejerk fashion and never give an inch - it seems a strategy that is guaranteed to deliver results and actually solve the problem, though I hasten to add, neither the results nor the solution will be to your liking. As far as the dire results of not surrendering, I have heard that threat constantly for 40 years.

thompsonx -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:54:17 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD This isn't about guns it is about people willing to destroy the Constitution to get what they want. Wow straight from rush. Perhaps you could tell us specifically just who "these people" are and what do they want?

BamaD -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:56:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: BamaD My problem isn't with keeping terrorists from having guns, that is an admiralble goal, but not with something who's goal is just to grab as many guns as possible while ignoring half of the Bill of Rights. Heads up dude the 2nd. ammendment is not half of the constitution. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Heads up dude I said the bill of rights, not the constitution so you are a liar liar liar. Since they would do in the 4th 5th 8th and 10th in addition to the 2nd that is half the BILL OF RIGHTS.

BamaD -> RE: Meanwhile in other gun news (6/24/2016 1:59:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant So now...where's YOUR cite for your snark? Thank you for proving that bamad is a liar and that what I said was correct. The senator never said "then we will be all set" now did he? I didn't get the exact words off the top of my head. But as has been pointed out my point was right on target, that was that he considers due process to be a problem to be overcome not a reason to drop this.

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