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Total nonsense. The Queen is, as I have always spouted, a figurehead, a toothless tiger if you wish. The Government, voted in by the electorate hold the keys of power.

But an anti-democratic figurehead, nonetheless - and one which you've always furiously supported. As central to our Britishness, perhaps? Well, if so, there you have it. Some of us consider our voices being heard and acted upon as central to our Britishness.

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Your point about a second referendum is invalid, given on those on the losing side are shouting for one. The majority voted leave.

You haven't absorbed what I just said. Democracy is rule by the people, not the majority of the people. One of the central points of having a democracy in the first place is that your system of government reflects the views of the people - and thereby removes conflict amongst said people. Yes, those people on the losing side are indeed shouting for one. They get that point.

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I will bet my worthless pound that those who voted remain would not be shouting for a scond referendum if they had won, not in a million fucking years.

Nope. But don't forget that it was Farage's idea originally: he said he'd demand a second referendum should his Brexit side lose by a margin of just a few percent. But, besides that, it was your side t that wanted radical, fundamental change to our society. (No cautious conservative you, all of a sudden, eh?) It should be you who provides the strength of argument to match that radicality. Such strength is not evident so far, now that we have the proof of the pudding, is it?

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I love your use of the word "WE" in "If we chose to do so" we didnt chose to do so, we voted out, no politician will have the balls to stand against the will of the people, especially in areas that voted Leave. Is this the Royal "WE" you are on about.

No, the 'we' means all us British. It doesn't mean just you 52%ers. You aren't the 'we' of my country. And, let's face it ... given the million plus of 'buyers remorsers' we've already seen - just in a few days - you wouldn't even be that 52% now, either.

Come on, PS. Do you really look around yourself now and feel confident that Brexit is still a good idea? Apart from that little weirdness you have for the monarchy (;)) , I've never seen you BS yourself to anywhere that degree before.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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This just in:

"Brexit campaign's biggest donor has lost £400m since the referendum but says: 'I've got no regrets'"

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-campaigns-biggest-donor-has-lost-400m-since-the-referendum-but-says-ive-got-no-regrets-a3282416.html

Good man. I wouldn't have any regrets, either. I mean, who needs £400 million anyway? (Well, OK, apart from the NHS, maybe.)

There speaks an ordinary multimillionaire man of the people, rather than one of the elites ....

Where is respectmen when we need him, to utter those now crucial words, 'Gotta larf'?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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Ok. Time for reality FD.

1) Huge numbers were racist, or at least nationalist. Racism doesn't mean wearing a swastika. Simply wanting a white/English person to get preferential treatment over people born elsewhere qualifies. Also, the referendum wasn't about race until the tabloids made it about that. Now many in the country appear to believe that this was a vote on whether racism is acceptable - and they are acting on it.

2) Stupid and uniformed people voted to remain, that is true. But it is a fact that almost everything said by the leave campaign was a lie. If the leavers weren't stupid they were at least gullible.

3) Given that her biggest trading partner might well face a serious recession there has never been a better time for Scottish independence.

4&5) They risk even more by breaking up the EU. A short economic downturn is a small price to pay for the survival of the EU as a whole, which can be easily insured by bringing Britain to its knees and declaring - "That is what happens when you leave!" Furthermore, by trading with other EU countries internally they bolster the EU as a whole. Now the UK is out there is no reason to deal with the UK if another EU nation can give them what they need.

6) The markets are responding to what many are calling a disaster. Trade was much easier back in the day when Britain was a manufacturing powerhouse. Now trade is easy and manufacturing is done by China, Mongola, Malaysia, Taiwan, etc. The idea that we can go back to that is a silly pipe dream. The markets KNOW what we are - the financial portal to massive trading conglomerate that is the European Union - and they know that is now in serious jeopardy.

This is a disaster. And there is no ECB we can go to for help now.

7) No one? I thick they're spiteful, xenophobic, short-sighted jackasses who are about to get what they deserve. I really hope for an economic catastrophe as this would be better for the people of Europe in general. Unity makes society stronger, not bickering and self-interest. And if you think I'm alone in wanting the UK to fall down think again and read my answers to 4&5, particularly pertaining to keeping their own separatists arguments in perspective.

8) You need to stop reading the horseshit in the tabloids. That's like saying the USA has been a disaster. The EU has been a massive success story. Decades of no wars, cooperation, prosperity. Culiminating in free-trade and free-movement. I've been all over Europe. Being involved in the world of health I have been the benefits. Only recently opdivo for lung cancer and yervoy for skin cancer have been approved for use by the EMA and will be given to NHS patients soon. What are we going to do without the EMA? NICE does not have the resources to properly assess and approve new drug use, and we sure a shit will have trouble keeping drug costs down without EU trade protections (particularly for livestock which actually use about 60% of the worlds antibiotics).

Ok, so the EU told us not to fish sometimes. And they did things like tell us to have pillows of a certain size. And they had funny accents and wanted us to take a couple of thousand brown people. SO THE FUCK WHAT! That was causing local issues in some areas, particularly among racists and xenophobes, but those should have been handled at local government level, not internationally fucking up decades of trade and several treaties.

Watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98pJ5ex5vlM

Absolutely fucking stupid people. Room temperature IQs.

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I'll be honest. I couldn't give the first fuck that you got a crack off someone. Were you going on like this by any chance?

You know what NG, there is no reason a man should hit a woman, none at all. So shame on you for suggesting such, as even expressing an opinion you dont agree with isnt an excuse.

Bollocks.

Do you know anything about this?

All I can see is a woman ranting about how everyone is stupid and racist. 52% of the country in her own words. Does that sound like the voice of reason to you?

In addition, she has a small puff on her eye that could have been caused by anything. Now if that is a cracked jaw then she'd be the first person to have a small puff over her eye after having her jaw cracked.

The evidence is: firstly she's a raving lunatic; secondly, her face does not suggest a cracked jaw.

No one is suggesting a man should hit a woman, or vice versa. That said, she's not a weak and feeble woman; she has a big gob on her.

Ultimately, if she's prepared to label 52% of the country stupid and racist, then with that short of maturity what is preventing her from posting a picture of her face and claiming some 'Leave' supporter has given her a crack.

It's a load of shite.

My point wasn't that I think anyone should hit her; it was that I don't give the first fuck what is going on in her life. And, quite frankly I don't believe her - based upon the utter shite she has posted on this thread post after post.

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No chance at all.
What's the problem with Alderley Edge?

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I always knew you were full of shit regarding your supposed political science cred. Ye Gods.

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As for the Queen, the anti Monarchists dont get it, she is a ceremonial figurehead with a nod to history by which the mechanics of our system whereby the Monarchy acts on the advice of the government.

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He got most of it back today.

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Dear oh dear, still not getting it are we. Democracy, as per its usual conotation is we all vote and the majority, like it or not, support the outcome. Even the majory of the politicians, far left included, are saying that. maybe the simple difference between us is as follows, if we have voted to stay in, I would have supported that as the democratic choice.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

No doubt it all looks doom and gloom to some, but that was quite the view from the Commons Foreign Affairs committee back in April.

I read the report in the Sun on pages 3, 4 and 5.... LOL

I wont cherry pick the parts which suit, you can do what i did and read it all if you wish.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmfaff/545/54507.htm

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Honestly, PS - I'm fine. If Brexit looks like it's doing this country good, I'll shut up. I'll go along with it. But at present - seriously, it would be a deranged nutcase who would say that it's doing us good. On the contrary - it seems pretty clearly to me - and most economists, and most pundits, all over the world - that this country is taking a nosedive.

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Do you seriously think that the 48% are going to just quietly accept what the 52% desire, here? If you can't get someone like me to accept your point of view, what chance do you think you've got against most of the rest of that 48%? Do you think that a lot of smug arguments - no matter how clever - will shut us up? Be realistic ....

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Do you seriously think that the 48% are going to just quietly accept what the 52% desire, here? If you can't get someone like me to accept your point of view, what chance do you think you've got against most of the rest of that 48%? Do you think that a lot of smug arguments - no matter how clever - will shut us up? Be realistic ....

This is the weirdest comment ever! I mean, in most elections, electing a party, even if you are 51% and 49% and 49% are fucking angry and pissed the party they hate are elected to govern. But that's democracy. Majority wins. The unhappy 49% will just have to live with what they don't like. And it doesn't matter what they like or don't like. Majority wins.

Hell, the 30% in my country who hates the ruling party fucking hates the current government like hell! And keeps insulting the 70%. I think that's the problem with democracy, people don't understand that, it's about respecting majority choice. It's a system where you go with what majority wants.

Personally, I'd love to a referendum in the US for whether the 2nd amendment should be removed and invalidated. The results will be very interesting. If majority vote, keep it, then end of gun control debate. That's what majority wants.

I actually almost feel like issues that divide a country so passionately, like gun control measures etc, deserves a referendum and then governing body should respect majority choice and change their laws accordingly.

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And if you think I am racist zenopobic or any of the other things you have mentioned, you obviously havent been reading my posts, period.