MariaB
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On the one hand, another referendum *might* show up the million or so net movers from Brexit to Bremain. On the other, being asked twice might piss off waverers who went to Bremain before but simply don't like to be told twice to say what they want. Well, that's the situation as of now. Further down the line - even a few months - things might feel very different.
Thing is, the referendum was an example of 'direct democracy'. It's always chancy to have one, for several reasons; one of them being that the question has to be brute simple so that it can avail itself of a tick box answer; second, people have to be informed enough of the facts and arguments; thirdly, they have to take responsibility for what their vote implies (one argument being that saying what you want is all very well - but you're demanding that somebody else - parliament - find a way of making it an actuality).
It's clear now that were failings on all these fronts with this referendum. The £350 million thing evaporated, as we all now know and the whole debate was steeped in BS; Brexit may well not have much of an effect on immigration overall; and we all keep hearing this bizarre view that goes roughly 'Oh, I didn't think my vote would actually lead to this outcome!'
You know, re that last: I keep thinking of that line 'If voting ever changed anything, they'd make it illegal'. I can't help suspecting that a lot of people took that for granted - after so many of our general elections in which so many votes in so many places really didn't make a practical difference - and thought they were voting in the same way in this referendum. As though, vaguely, they just wanted to make their voices heard. Direct democracy isn't always a great idea in a political culture where people aren't used to it.
But there were blatant lies on both sides Peon and all along Cameron has stopped civil servants from making contingency plans. Cameron was willfully irresponsible because he’d already planned if Brexit happened, he would be legging it on the next bus out of parliament knowing he would be leaving all his cabinet traitors in disarray. As far as I’m concerned, leaving his cabinet and the rest of parliament with no plan B makes Cameron a traitor of the British people…. What an arrogant prick.
I voted out because we were being mislead by a neo-liberal government who were part of the neo-liberal Union. Unfortunately you can’t have one without the other and that’s why every PM since Thatcher have towed the neo-liberal line, though none so much as Cameron and his chancellor Gideon.
A united Europe, founded on the subversion of democracy sounds good but once that Union morphs into a huge cartel that enriches its shareholders, its time to stand up and say, “ENOUGH”.
Why only now do we discover Cameron had asked Brussels to hold back on their proposal for the ‘Super State of Europe’ until after the referendum? A super state that would limit our independent powers by ridding us of our home grown military forces, our tax systems and our sovereign currency.
Why did Cameron assure us all that the TTIP and all these other monstrous trade deals will not be going ahead when it was Cameron who was at the forefront, oiling the cogs behind this idea. TTIP is already half way there. This was the final hour and the legacy that both Cameron and Obama were going to leave office with.
Why did Cameron say he was doing everything in his power to save the NHS when his government have sold off more of our NHS than any PM in the history of the NHS. If Cameron got the rest of Europe to agree to this TTIP deal then what remains of the NHS would have to be auctioned off to the highest bidder. It’s the same with schools. Education was being sold for profit and these heavily disguised trade deals would have the power to sue if we didn't rid ourselves of our social system.
Whilst the EU may look like a progressive institution, its a project that has been built on deceptions with the exclusion of the meddlesome masses.
The EU is nothing more than a vast neo-liberal experiment. We had to get out, not because we need more money for the NHS (we have the money) or because immigration is a problem (its not a problem) but because a hundred different flavor’s of coffee can not disguise what's happening to our country.
< Message edited by MariaB -- 6/30/2016 9:21:41 AM >
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Control still does not mean dictatorship. In a democracy you have to get all of your people on board - at least enough that you're not forcing too many of them to feel that way. Seriously, do you think that this continued argument of 'Shut up, we won the referendum, so there!' is going to cut it? 
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