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BTW the unemployment rate among blacks is higher now than the

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I ask you again, do you have a better plan for the government's compelling interest to safeguard the nation against terror. Please address my question.

Domestically: offer firearm safety and training courses in schools. Offer tax benefits for buying a made-in-America firearm, range time, and a gun safe. Allow concealed and open carry like Vermont -- no permit required. End "gun-free zones" as they very clearly do not work. Stop limiting people's rights; end NSA/FBI spying and the war on encryption.
Internationally: stop shipping weapons overseas to arm 'dissidents of the week'. Stop funding other countries. Follow a non-interventionist policy, prefer "defensively armed neutrality". End trade sanctions against other countries. Promote free trade.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Domestically aren't there already more guns than people in this country? Anyway, an awful lot. Are you suggesting we teach 6th graders gun safety and allow them to roam well-armed in shopping malls? I suspect you are not but I would have greater fears of getting caught in friendly crossfire than a terrorists' bomb. Consider that protection in "soft targets" would require AR-15 style rifles. I would rather shop Amazon truthfully.

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Internationally, I agree with changing our interventionist policy. We are not the only gun producers in the world, however. How do ending trade sanctions insure our safety? How do you relate your suggestions to the issue in the OP?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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I ask you again, do you have a better plan for the government's compelling interest to safeguard the nation against terror. Please address my question.

Domestically: offer firearm safety and training courses in schools. Offer tax benefits for buying a made-in-America firearm, range time, and a gun safe. Allow concealed and open carry like Vermont -- no permit required. End "gun-free zones" as they very clearly do not work. Stop limiting people's rights; end NSA/FBI spying and the war on encryption.

Internationally: stop shipping weapons overseas to arm 'dissidents of the week'. Stop funding other countries. Follow a non-interventionist policy, prefer "defensively armed neutrality". End trade sanctions against other countries. Promote free trade.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Domestically aren't there already more guns than people in this country? Anyway, an awful lot. Are you suggesting we teach 6th graders gun safety and allow them to roam well-armed in shopping malls? I suspect you are not but I would have greater fears of getting caught in friendly crossfire than a terrorists' bomb. Consider that protection in "soft targets" would require AR-15 style rifles. I would rather shop Amazon truthfully.

Internationally, I agree with changing our interventionist policy. We are not the only gun producers in the world, however. How do ending trade sanctions insure our safety? How do you relate your suggestions to the issue in the OP?

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BTW the unemployment rate among blacks is higher now than the

Jeez, you don't even finish your thoughts anymore. Too busy making shit up I guess.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics black unemployment after the collapse reached its peak of 16.8% in March of 2010 and is now down to 8.2% in May of 2016.

So wtf were you trying to say?

Black unemployment last ten years

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BTW the unemployment rate among blacks is higher now than the

Jeez, you don't even finish your thoughts anymore. Too busy making shit up I guess.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics black unemployment after the collapse reached its peak of 16.8% in March of 2010 and is now down to 8.2% in May of 2016.

So wtf were you trying to say?

Black unemployment last ten years

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Do you not realize that the 3/5 compromise was the first blow agaisnt slavery and all of the seeds to destroy slavery were planted with the compromises made at that time.

So, when you say Obama mischaracterized the original flaw are you suggesting he should have praised the 3/5ths compromise as a step toward abolition? In point of fact the 3/5 compromise allowed the slave states to control the House until secession. Abolition of slavery was done at the cost of over 700,000 lives in the Civil War. Maybe a Union should have been formed without the slave states. In any case, America is not free of prejudice against skin color. Racism is a power relationship. I don't believe white Americans for the most part are willing to share power and privilege with people of color, although the millennials give me some hope.

As far as I can see you have failed to justify your criticisms of Obama as regards any contempt for the Constitution.

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I ask you again, do you have a better plan for the government's compelling interest to safeguard the nation against terror. Please address my question.

Domestically: offer firearm safety and training courses in schools. Offer tax benefits for buying a made-in-America firearm, range time, and a gun safe. Allow concealed and open carry like Vermont -- no permit required. End "gun-free zones" as they very clearly do not work. Stop limiting people's rights; end NSA/FBI spying and the war on encryption.

Internationally: stop shipping weapons overseas to arm 'dissidents of the week'. Stop funding other countries. Follow a non-interventionist policy, prefer "defensively armed neutrality". End trade sanctions against other countries. Promote free trade.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Domestically aren't there already more guns than people in this country? Anyway, an awful lot. Are you suggesting we teach 6th graders gun safety and allow them to roam well-armed in shopping malls? I suspect you are not but I would have greater fears of getting caught in friendly crossfire than a terrorists' bomb. Consider that protection in "soft targets" would require AR-15 style rifles. I would rather shop Amazon truthfully.

Internationally, I agree with changing our interventionist policy. We are not the only gun producers in the world, however. How do ending trade sanctions insure our safety? How do you relate your suggestions to the issue in the OP?

Yes, there are a large number of firearms in circulation in the US. I'm not sure I see your point.

6 year olds are under the age of 18 and thus unable to legally acquire a firearm (I believe it's 18 for long guns/rifles and 21 for handguns). A properly taught 6 year old, however, will recognize a firearm is not a toy and the 'magic' of seeing a firearm is thus dispelled, ultimately leading to fewer cases of children toying with a firearm and the tragic consequences played out in the news.

Ending trade sanctions and promoting free trade eliminates a source of anger for countries that have been 'economically attacked' by the US. What other countries (ie Russia) do with their firearms is outside the scope of this conversation.

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"A properly taught 6 year old, however, will recognize a firearm is not a toy and the 'magic' of seeing a firearm is thus dispelled, ultimately leading to fewer cases of children toying with a firearm and the tragic consequences played out in the news. "

Agreed, but that would not have stopped that incident where the kid shot his own Father at their friend's house. The friend had no kids and lived alone so had no reason to really lock up the gun.
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"A properly taught 6 year old, however, will recognize a firearm is not a toy and the 'magic' of seeing a firearm is thus dispelled, ultimately leading to fewer cases of children toying with a firearm and the tragic consequences played out in the news. "

Agreed, but that would not have stopped that incident where the kid shot his own Father at their friend's house. The friend had no kids and lived alone so had no reason to really lock up the gun.
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It may have had the kid not been curious about the firearm. The more one is exposed to something the less 'magical' it seems and the less inquisitive one is. Seeing a firearm for the first time almost always results in the child naturally being curious about it, picking it up, etc etc.

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"A properly taught 6 year old, however, will recognize a firearm is not a toy and the 'magic' of seeing a firearm is thus dispelled, ultimately leading to fewer cases of children toying with a firearm and the tragic consequences played out in the news. "

Agreed, but that would not have stopped that incident where the kid shot his own Father at their friend's house. The friend had no kids and lived alone so had no reason to really lock up the gun.
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It may have had the kid not been curious about the firearm. The more one is exposed to something the less 'magical' it seems and the less inquisitive one is. Seeing a firearm for the first time almost always results in the child naturally being curious about it, picking it up, etc etc.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"A properly taught 6 year old, however, will recognize a firearm is not a toy and the 'magic' of seeing a firearm is thus dispelled, ultimately leading to fewer cases of children toying with a firearm and the tragic consequences played out in the news. "

Agreed, but that would not have stopped that incident where the kid shot his own Father at their friend's house. The friend had no kids and lived alone so had no reason to really lock up the gun.
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It may have had the kid not been curious about the firearm. The more one is exposed to something the less 'magical' it seems and the less inquisitive one is. Seeing a firearm for the first time almost always results in the child naturally being curious about it, picking it up, etc etc.

Interesting you picked up on that. Kids curiosity gets them into trouble with some other things as well. I now remember when I was like eight, I got into my Aunt's Olds 442 (a real one) and pushed in the clutch and rolled backwards out into the street, and letting the pedal up did not stop it totally but it jerked as it tried to crank the engine. I didn't understand all this back then. Although the keys were in it I had no idea to start the engine, I knew better than that, but not this - yet. Everyone who went to Gandma and Grampas place and parked in the driveway left their keys in the ignition. And those cars had guns either in the glove box or under the seat. And in that entire family nobody ever shot anyone except in military service.

Somewhere in the family, I don't know and cannot find out now that too many people are dead, we had some Prussians. You let them sit on a nice fine comfortable couch and they sit as if they are at attention. Their backs never touched the back of the couch, or any chair on which they sat. I don't even remember their names but even siting down they had "posture". I think that is part of my make because I do ot lounge. I get into a car and pull the back of the seat up to an upright position. I have no use for a recliners type chair and never will. If I sit on a couch or chair with a back that is too reclined I will sit on the edge of the seat part. That is just how it is. Buy some beer and I will come over and prove it, I DO NOT RECLINE. I do not sleep on my back either.

Right now I could be sitting in a nice plush office chair that lays back and is very well padded. I could be sitting in what was called an "easy chair" . But I choose this elcheapo office chair with practically no padding, and have stay on just wood. What's more I sleep on the floor. No bed. And this is by choice. Jail would be more comfortable than how I live, but then again, that is by choice. I am seriously adamant about not supporting this economy, and I think living like this makes me stronger.

And to be on a no-fly list, where the fuck would I fly ? And what's more, why do people fly anywhere ? Don't you like it here ? Well join up and help to change it here. Amusement ? In this economy for most people that is a thing of the past. What, you want to ski in Switzerland ? Why ? Or some stupid religious shit in Israel or Roe or bumfukt Egypt somewhere ? You tell me hoe seeing the ruins of this shit proves any history. IT DOES NOT.

But still, if you want to go to other countries you should be able to. I am surprised the airlines have not lobbied to get rid of this list,. and actually to arm pilots. Or have an air marshal on every flight.

If someone wants to fly to Europe, and their eight year old kid is on the no-fly list, THAT COSTS THEM MONEY. Quite a bit because they are not flying without the kid, what, they leave the kid at the fucking airport ? So at three grand a ticket they lose almost ten grand right there.

And then thirteen years later this kid cannot but a gun. Are these people crazy or what ? I do not believe it is or what, I believe they are crazy. Well not crazy, just disarming their enemies.

In case nobody noticed, if you read the "Trading With The Enemy Act" you will find that the US population has been declared the enemy by the US government. Realone probably has a link to theoat because the n section, but who knows if he'll come around. I could probably find but quite frankly I am getting tired of talking to brick walls. You want it, PM me. Bottom line is that in that act, we are considered enemies by the US government. It is there, in the words and not even between the lines. Our property they can seize at will is defined legally as booty, when the "coast guard" confiscates your boat because they found a joint on it. that is defied as bounty.

Look it up.

I also know the difference between statutory law and the USC and UCC and whatever else. It might not seem like alot, but it means quite a bit in the courts if you know how to use it.

What's more, commercial airlines have a certain kind of license that makes them subject to this shit. There is nothing stopping a terrorist from chartering a private plane.

I know someone who used to go down to Mexico to pick up a bunch oe weed. He flew a little Cessna down there. He had to file a flight plan and what he told the was he is a photographer and would be taking arial pictures but then stopped over at Fernandos to cop his load. If he would have deviated from his course over US airspace they would have fucked with him to no end But jumbo jet go WAY off course and head towards buildings in NYC and they can't see that ? Just like they could not se the Japanese coming to Pearl Harbor ? You know RADAR was inveted by then and well able to detect a bunch of planes.

There is no excuse for this shit and I am not even listening to any more bullshit. I do ot even listen to these "candiadate's" speeches and I already know more about what they will do once elected than Walter Cronkite could ever concieve.

I WILL make a thread about it around election time and put it all down for you. It will be before they do it which will prove it. What they say means absolutely nothing to me. What they have done is what I base my judgement upon.

You want ot keep listening to all their bullshit go ahead, but do not think in any way that you are informed. And that includes the debates, if oyu can eve call them that.

Bunch of fucking bullshit.

T^T

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https://www.aclu.org/infographic/grounded-life-no-fly-list

It's pretty funny that you can't fly, but can buy an arsenal of weapons.

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"A properly taught 6 year old, however, will recognize a firearm is not a toy and the 'magic' of seeing a firearm is thus dispelled, ultimately leading to fewer cases of children toying with a firearm and the tragic consequences played out in the news. "

Agreed, but that would not have stopped that incident where the kid shot his own Father at their friend's house. The friend had no kids and lived alone so had no reason to really lock up the gun.

What we need is liberals to stop using a tragedy like that to try to disarm everyone.
T^T

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What we need is (1) morons to lock up their guns and (2) idiots to stop pretending anyone is trying to disarm everyone.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"A properly taught 6 year old, however, will recognize a firearm is not a toy and the 'magic' of seeing a firearm is thus dispelled, ultimately leading to fewer cases of children toying with a firearm and the tragic consequences played out in the news. "

Agreed, but that would not have stopped that incident where the kid shot his own Father at their friend's house. The friend had no kids and lived alone so had no reason to really lock up the gun.
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It may have had the kid not been curious about the firearm. The more one is exposed to something the less 'magical' it seems and the less inquisitive one is. Seeing a firearm for the first time almost always results in the child naturally being curious about it, picking it up, etc etc.

Interesting you picked up on that. Kids curiosity gets them into trouble with some other things as well. I now remember when I was like eight, I got into my Aunt's Olds 442 (a real one) and pushed in the clutch and rolled backwards out into the street, and letting the pedal up did not stop it totally but it jerked as it tried to crank the engine. I didn't understand all this back then. Although the keys were in it I had no idea to start the engine, I knew better than that, but not this - yet. Everyone who went to Gandma and Grampas place and parked in the driveway left their keys in the ignition. And those cars had guns either in the glove box or under the seat. And in that entire family nobody ever shot anyone except in military service.

Somewhere in the family, I don't know and cannot find out now that too many people are dead, we had some Prussians. You let them sit on a nice fine comfortable couch and they sit as if they are at attention. Their backs never touched the back of the couch, or any chair on which they sat. I don't even remember their names but even siting down they had "posture". I think that is part of my make because I do ot lounge. I get into a car and pull the back of the seat up to an upright position. I have no use for a recliners type chair and never will. If I sit on a couch or chair with a back that is too reclined I will sit on the edge of the seat part. That is just how it is. Buy some beer and I will come over and prove it, I DO NOT RECLINE. I do not sleep on my back either.

Right now I could be sitting in a nice plush office chair that lays back and is very well padded. I could be sitting in what was called an "easy chair" . But I choose this elcheapo office chair with practically no padding, and have stay on just wood. What's more I sleep on the floor. No bed. And this is by choice. Jail would be more comfortable than how I live, but then again, that is by choice. I am seriously adamant about not supporting this economy, and I think living like this makes me stronger.

And to be on a no-fly list, where the fuck would I fly ? And what's more, why do people fly anywhere ? Don't you like it here ? Well join up and help to change it here. Amusement ? In this economy for most people that is a thing of the past. What, you want to ski in Switzerland ? Why ? Or some stupid religious shit in Israel or Roe or bumfukt Egypt somewhere ? You tell me hoe seeing the ruins of this shit proves any history. IT DOES NOT.

But still, if you want to go to other countries you should be able to. I am surprised the airlines have not lobbied to get rid of this list,. and actually to arm pilots. Or have an air marshal on every flight.

If someone wants to fly to Europe, and their eight year old kid is on the no-fly list, THAT COSTS THEM MONEY. Quite a bit because they are not flying without the kid, what, they leave the kid at the fucking airport ? So at three grand a ticket they lose almost ten grand right there.

And then thirteen years later this kid cannot but a gun. Are these people crazy or what ? I do not believe it is or what, I believe they are crazy. Well not crazy, just disarming their enemies.

In case nobody noticed, if you read the "Trading With The Enemy Act" you will find that the US population has been declared the enemy by the US government. Realone probably has a link to theoat because the n section, but who knows if he'll come around. I could probably find but quite frankly I am getting tired of talking to brick walls. You want it, PM me. Bottom line is that in that act, we are considered enemies by the US government. It is there, in the words and not even between the lines. Our property they can seize at will is defined legally as booty, when the "coast guard" confiscates your boat because they found a joint on it. that is defied as bounty.

Look it up.

I also know the difference between statutory law and the USC and UCC and whatever else. It might not seem like alot, but it means quite a bit in the courts if you know how to use it.

What's more, commercial airlines have a certain kind of license that makes them subject to this shit. There is nothing stopping a terrorist from chartering a private plane.

I know someone who used to go down to Mexico to pick up a bunch oe weed. He flew a little Cessna down there. He had to file a flight plan and what he told the was he is a photographer and would be taking arial pictures but then stopped over at Fernandos to cop his load. If he would have deviated from his course over US airspace they would have fucked with him to no end But jumbo jet go WAY off course and head towards buildings in NYC and they can't see that ? Just like they could not se the Japanese coming to Pearl Harbor ? You know RADAR was inveted by then and well able to detect a bunch of planes.

There is no excuse for this shit and I am not even listening to any more bullshit. I do ot even listen to these "candiadate's" speeches and I already know more about what they will do once elected than Walter Cronkite could ever concieve.

I WILL make a thread about it around election time and put it all down for you. It will be before they do it which will prove it. What they say means absolutely nothing to me. What they have done is what I base my judgement upon.

You want ot keep listening to all their bullshit go ahead, but do not think in any way that you are informed. And that includes the debates, if oyu can eve call them that.

Bunch of fucking bullshit.

T^T

At pearl the operaters report the Japanese and were told it was a flight of B-17a expected in that morning. They had just installed the radar and weren't comfortable with it.
Yep the radar most likely told them the planes were headed for the twin towers. Would have given them 4 maybe 5 minutes notice. They would have acted like they were comming into JFK.