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LadyPact -> RE: Is this a scam (6/26/2016 7:00:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jp2222
I'm not a kid and I am not desperate. Just new to this lifestyle.

And that right there is exactly what makes you an easy target. You are male. You are of an age where most people do have a certain amount of disposable income. You're probably really eager to explore. You're already looking at this differently than anywhere else on the internet, because if it had been a vanilla dating site, would you have even considered sending some <cough> woman <cough> that you've never met five hundred bucks for the potential of maybe a chance to meet or have a relationship? Scammers LOVE people like you. You couldn't be a better target if I painted a bullseye on you.


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I was not sure if this was a common practice as I see it is not I will definitely not part with my $500.

Well, at least that's good.

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Just answer me this why and how would they be this good at being a Dom. Right down to rules and daily tasks?

She's on Alt. That automatically means she's already on a site that gives her access to information that translates to everything you want to hear.


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It just seems like a lot of effort and how would they and why would they share a passport photo that adds up to exactly what they say they are and who they say they are.

You have no idea of that because you haven't met that person in the flesh. If this person managed to land somebody else's passport, you're dang right they are going to build that fake identity. First item on the list would be creating email names, etc to make you believe that's who the person is.


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The email name matches the actual name on the passport.

And it takes how long to create a yahoo account? I could create one with the name of Tom Dick and nobody would know the difference.

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Most scams I see do not have a name that matches there email.

Two words for you: Identity theft. What's going on here isn't even as complex as that.

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Like holly black is the email sender but they sign there name as Jennifer jones.
Definitely is a sophisticated scam.

Let me ask you a hypothetical. If you were a scammer, your objective would be to get other people's money, right? The better you are at it, the more of other people's money you get. Right there is your incentive to be good at the con.

Now, here's one question that you should have asked yourself. This interaction was started on Alt, correct? Why move the conversation to yahoo? Unless something has majorly changed on Alt, that neat subscription that you just bought to have certain access and email abilities, doesn't cost a dime for women. All it takes is ten profile views a day and women get everything free that you just paid for. You can also go to any of the chat rooms to talk to people and hell, they encourage women to be on cam. (Leads to more profile views, which in turn is more free access, etc, etc.)

You're really not thinking big picture here. You're thinking it's just *your* five hundred dollars. You're forgetting about the money that she got out of somebody last week or the guy who will give her money next week.

Let's take the money out of it. I'm the first person to tell you that if you were a female submissive and that email was sent by a (supposedly) male Dom/top, half the people on this board would tell you to run for the hills. A lot of people do play only privately and that is personal choice, but it goes hand in hand with the fact that means you can't verify if that person really knows what they are doing as a top. That email you are so enthralled with? You think it's awesome and I can poke more holes in it than Swiss cheese. Do you know why? It's because you are new and don't have enough education about kink to know the right questions to ask about what she's telling you.

By the way, that's not an insult. You would be amazed how many new submissives/bottoms take as truth what any Dominant/top tells them, rather than do their own independent research.

Based on the email that you posted, here are (some of) the questions I would be asking:

If she's been into BDSM since before people were meeting on the internet, how come she's only been doing it for six years? How did she get started?

How did she learn to tie? (I.E., how did she learn bondage?)

Who taught her how to throw a whip? Does she have any pics with her in them of her holding a whip, throwing a whip, or anything that verifies she knows how to use one?

Speaking of whips, what kind(s) does she have? Where did she buy it and when? Who made it? What material is it made from?

Who actually came up with the term "SSC"?

If RACK is so self explanatory, wouldn't she encourage you to become educated on what those risks really are?

What's the difference between RACK and PRICK?

Out of all of the submissives on ALT, why did she choose to write you instead of the thousands of other guys who have profiles? (Btw, female submissives can spot this one in a heartbeat.)

As a female top, I can answer all of the above and I don't need the time to look it up on Wikipedia. I'm not trying to be mean to you. Being new, you have to learn how to ask the probing questions for your own well being. I know I'm kind of a d*ck sometimes but I hope it will be for your own good.




LilJuly76 -> RE: Is this a scam (6/26/2016 8:02:18 AM)

LadyPact again brings about some good points.

LP I know what SSC and RACK is what is PRICK? I"m not sure I have heard of that one.




DesFIP -> RE: Is this a scam (6/26/2016 8:11:56 AM)

She puts two hours in, gets $500 back for it. So what if she only gets this once a week. It's still easier money than working in a convenience store for minimum wage.

It may be a stolen passport but it may be a pic of a real one with the name changed. I'm told it's a lot easier to do that on a Mac than a of. Regardless, she only needed to do that once and she sends that screenshot out forever more.




OsideGirl -> RE: Is this a scam (6/26/2016 9:04:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jp2222

why would they share a passport photo that adds up to exactly what they say they are and who they say they are. The email name matches the actual name on the passport.

You don't know that it's "her" passport. And it's not difficult to tailor a description to a photo. Most people would have enough sense not to share personal identification with a complete stranger. And I will stress that in any online relationship...the other person is a stranger to you un til you have met face to face.




LadyPact -> RE: Is this a scam (6/26/2016 9:22:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LilJuly76
LadyPact again brings about some good points.

LP I know what SSC and RACK is what is PRICK? I"m not sure I have heard of that one.

PRICK is the acronym for personal responsibility in (or informed) consensual kink. Some people thought that was more accurate than RACK because the theory is a little more even handed about each person's responsibility about the play they are going to engage in. There's a bit of a different flavor about this for bottoms because being aware of your risks is one thing. Determining what your personal responsibilities are is a bit of a different angle.

Even if a bottom puts the majority of responsibility for BDSM engagement on the top, there are still certain responsibilities that fall on you. Knowing how to negotiate (casual) play properly. Active communication skills to the best of your ability. Informing your top of conditions that could hinder or alter the play. If you're going to do pick up play and you know you tend to get drop a day or two later, are you ready to take care of you?

(Actually, I've got a kick ass list for that last one. Kind of like the single submissive's guide/survival kit on how to navigate your own drop. Way smarter stuff than I would have ever thought of.)

If something happens that you didn't think needed medical attention at the time, but is problematic days later, how are you dealing with seeking medical care? Doesn't happen a lot, but it can.

Are you accepting responsibility for anything you consented to? (That's not the same area as consent violations. Different category.)

Really good question, by the way.





MissKatya -> RE: Is this a scam (6/26/2016 1:39:27 PM)

I did a google search on one sentence and this came up. Enjoy.

Pick which scam you wish to engage in




LilJuly76 -> RE: Is this a scam (6/26/2016 3:20:09 PM)

I have always maintained that submissives are just as responsible for their safety as the Dominants if not more so. When people are so eager with sub frenzy to submit to anyone or give anyone money just like that in order to feed that submissive sides of themselves, that's where usually they make the wrong mistakes.

I have personal rules for myself to follow, unless the Dominant is recommended by someone I know personally I don't engage in S & M play until I get to know the individual. After getting to know them, I make the decision if I'm going to be involved with them as a submissive or maybe I'll just be their play partner, depends on what we both want at the time. If I don't make a decision or am not comfortable with the Dominant I'm negotiating with, play doesn't happen at all.

It's old fashioned, none of these internet do me submissives want to take their time to get to know the person first before they agree to submission but that's the way I am. I have had long term relationships that way, I have always had short term excellent play partners that I'm still friends with to this day.




Nnanji -> RE: Is this a scam (6/28/2016 4:55:32 PM)

FR


She has six years of experience with BDSM that started before the Internet....which was something like 1994, twenty two years ago. All of the descriptions she provides of herself are pretty common phrases that scammers from countries that don't speak English have been honing for years (what can I say my they are intertwining at times). There's about twelve other flags. I tell you what, send her the money and see what the next excuse and dollar amount will be. It might be intertwining and it will be a cheap one time lesson. But, I guarantee you'll never see her. It's probably a guy in an Internet bar in Nigeria. Boka Harum needs funding too.




ForgetToRemember -> RE: Is this a scam (7/11/2016 11:13:53 PM)

I hate to pile on here, but you are being scammed. The fact that money was even brought up should've been a red flag to you (not only because it could've been a scam, but because some women are also gold diggers). Basically, don't spend any money on a stranger. Until you meet in person, and get your 6th sense satisfied (the 'am I being lied to' sense), just play it safe.

I know it is hard when you are single - trust me. I've been through some long patches myself. Find out ways that you can improve your attractiveness to a women who would love to be with you, and then find that women in time tested arenas.




ifmaz -> RE: Is this a scam (7/12/2016 12:02:12 AM)

For the comparatively low price of $200 I can honestly answer your question. Time is, however, of the essence.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Is this a scam (7/12/2016 7:19:11 AM)

Which one shall I go with today

I am older than time and I never once met someone from Okc (or here or fet if you all wondered, or alt now I think about that one) and I did try the first few years. Therefore I hold your words with a certain amount of disbelief. Now, I do know people on all those places, and none of my friends ever met someone from those aforementioned places and that includes my women friends
0%..I think that is pretty conclusive.
Muffin notes:
1. Okc I met no-one from firstly Scotland, then the UK - I did however manage to meet someone half way the world once
2. Collarspace - yes I had one true genuine offer Albany
3. fet I like to exempt about 3 Americans
4. alt there was that married women

Scam is a scam and liar a liar - It is hard for me to differentiate i in the beginning i defined what I was, my friends and you ( i may be wrong it happens just not often - and all your threads are pretty much the same)

checks his age on his profile "45-these day on here am I and I am a mere 44 on pof" hmm I am 46 - what is a scam





debydeb -> RE: Is this a scam (7/12/2016 4:45:38 PM)

yes its a scam ... she had your number from the beginning.... smh some people




Majorcut -> RE: Is this a scam (7/12/2016 5:38:06 PM)

I have had plenty of subs ask me for money and they usually ask for it on gmail or Yahoo.com. I had one just recently that wanted $500 to be released from her mistress. I have been around the net for more than 18 years and seen them come and go like the wind. I have never sent them money nor will I ever. A sub or slave should come freely of her free will not because of some payment to some unseen master or mistress. As Forget said, anyone who mentions money is a scammer without actually meeting you in person. I have found over the many years year that there are a lot of scammers who see the doms as marks to take advantage of.

Being an ex military cop, I usually tell them that they are breaking the law from asking for money sight unseen and they disappear within a few days.




LadyPact -> RE: Is this a scam (7/12/2016 6:10:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Majorcut

I have had plenty of subs ask me for money and they usually ask for it on gmail or Yahoo.com. I had one just recently that wanted $500 to be released from her mistress. I have been around the net for more than 18 years and seen them come and go like the wind. I have never sent them money nor will I ever. A sub or slave should come freely of her free will not because of some payment to some unseen master or mistress. As Forget said, anyone who mentions money is a scammer without actually meeting you in person. I have found over the many years year that there are a lot of scammers who see the doms as marks to take advantage of.

Being an ex military cop, I usually tell them that they are breaking the law from asking for money sight unseen and they disappear within a few days.

That is not correct. You are attempting to apply the codes of the UCMJ to civilians.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Is this a scam (7/12/2016 7:25:28 PM)

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I usually tell them that they are breaking the law from asking for money sight unseen

And you were lying to them as anybody is free to ask for anything they want to ask for.




Awareness -> RE: Is this a scam (7/13/2016 8:24:28 AM)

If you find yourself asking the question, then yes - it is.

It really is that simple.




Majorcut -> RE: Is this a scam (7/13/2016 4:03:25 PM)

Ladypact. I am telling the truth and in the past week, I have ran across 2 of them. Since I have been on this site which is over a decade. I have ran across more than I can count who wanted payment either to thier masters/ mistresses or thier associations. Anyone who does this is a scammer plainer and simple. I am not using the UCMJ at all but common sense.




OsideGirl -> RE: Is this a scam (7/13/2016 4:08:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Majorcut
I am not using the UCMJ at all but common sense.


It's not illegal for them to ask for money from you. So, telling them that it is illegal is a lie.

So, LP is correct, that you are incorrect.




AtUrCervix -> RE: Is this a scam (7/13/2016 4:15:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jp2222

I was on bdsm.com / alt.com. I was led there from someone I met from Okcupid. I have experienced light bondage and enjoyed it this girl was very attractive to me and conversation was going well. Despite feeling sure joining and paying for a silver membership on bdsm was a scam. I did it anyway what's $20 bucks right. So once on there I wrote some people local to me and was given someone's email then they had me add them on yahoo. After about two hours of conversation. She asked me to send some non nude pictures. Another hour later she told me in order to meet I would need to pay her agent $500 for my personal collar and a few other necessary items.

This seems like a scam but the conversation is deep and the answers to my questions are real. Very unlike other scams I have seen from other sites.

Below is part of our conversation.

Ok I will be a couple of weeks before I have that being in a family business we use very little cash and everything on card for tracking tax purposes

You of course, can make the payment with your card.

Yes but I can't. I have to use cash or get a new card, might be the easiest thing to do since cash comes slowly.

Time is of the essence, we both know that and making this wait might just mean it is not so much a priority for us.
I hope we are able to make this all happen.

Me too, Goddess. I would feel a lot more comfortable if you would send me a picture holding a piece of paper with my name on it.

Is this a question about trust?




JP.....this isn't a question of trust....it's a question of gullibility.




LadyPact -> RE: Is this a scam (7/13/2016 5:36:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Majorcut
Ladypact. I am telling the truth and in the past week, I have ran across 2 of them. Since I have been on this site which is over a decade. I have ran across more than I can count who wanted payment either to thier masters/ mistresses or thier associations. Anyone who does this is a scammer plainer and simple. I am not using the UCMJ at all but common sense.

We'll have to disagree. It's not the asking for money that constitutes something as a scam. If I asked you for ten bucks right now, just out of the goodness of your heart, if you choose to give it to me, that's not a scam. I didn't promise you anything, there's no fraud, it's not a payment for promise of services rendered, or anything that's actually against the law.

If just asking for money were illegal, you'd have to be arresting every charity organization that ever calls your house, St Judes, the ASPCA, and everybody else who ever asks you for donations, either cash or merchandise, because it's not the asking you that's illegal. When you go to the commissary and you see that "baggers work for tips" sign, guess what? They are asking you for money. You can't panhandle and stuff like that on post but that's a different category.

Don't get me wrong. The original post is a scam and it's kind of a long running one. (See the link that was graciously posted earlier in the thread.) I couldn't tell you why folks don't read about common scams on the internet or why they think kink sites are some bubble where they don't apply. I come up empty on that.


ETA - (It means edited to add.) Since you mentioned buying people, (female submissives, in particular) be very, very careful. There's a really cool thread around here somewhere that has a link to a news story about the authorities doing a sting operation on that subject.

Oh, and check out the search feature for the term/location "Grapevine, TX". Some of those old threads were kind of entertaining.






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