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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 8:35:36 AM   
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Not ignorant - patriotic.

For thousands of years it has always been a tradition to remove your head gear when going indoors. Not to do so has always been considered rude and insulting.
I just stood up for tradition.
That's not being ignorant.
In fact, I considered it ignorant of her not to follow our tradition in the country that she lives in.



no
Ignorant, and pathetic
How clever of you to insult a woman working in a legal setting for her fucking headgear?
fuck off you twat.
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How ignorant, British tradition, yeah, We have a history of taking over the fucking world willy nilly and then dare to whine about patriotism.
you are as bad as any "good ol boy merrycan racist asshole". or any kind of racist asshole
Women used to wear hats and scarves to church on sunday over their hair. Jewish women wear a scarf,Its MEN that are(used to be) required to remove their headgear indoors.



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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 8:36:14 AM   
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ETA: When the wife was going thru her diverce, her solicitor was a very nice lady but was Islamic and wore her head scarf in the office.
I ticked her off for doing that because I found it offensive and an affront to British tradition.
But, much to my chagrin, it's allowed these days.


Here in the US, it was a tradition for women to wear hats and gloves to church, prior to that, a woman wore a hat anytime they stepped outside of the house. Men wore hats outdoors no matter what and removed them when indoors. Do you wear a hat and remove it when inside? Should we be insulted if you don't?

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 8:38:40 AM   
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ETA: When the wife was going thru her diverce, her solicitor was a very nice lady but was Islamic and wore her head scarf in the office.
I ticked her off for doing that because I found it offensive and an affront to British tradition.
But, much to my chagrin, it's allowed these days.


Here in the US, it was a tradition for women to wear hats and gloves to church, prior to that, a woman wore a hat anytime they stepped outside of the house. Men wore hats outdoors no matter what and removed them when indoors. Do you wear a hat and remove it when inside? Should we be insulted if you don't?

My husband hates people wearing hats indoors, Including baseball hats, didnt cause any problems living in the UK, but over here, baseball hats are de rigeur amongst some friends oh an the kids> yeah no...no caps allowed at all.


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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 8:48:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I'm a bigot, then explain to me why my daughter was ordered to remove her scarf when she walked into the school building with a written warning of detention and being sent home if she did it again.
And yet ALL the Islamic girls wore head scarves in class.

Had the same argument with bangles, ankle chains and other jewelery.
She wasn't allowed to wear them but the Islamic girls could.


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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 8:50:23 AM   
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If I'm a bigot, then explain to me why my daughter was ordered to remove her scarf when she walked into the school building with a written warning of detention and being sent home if she did it again.
And yet ALL the Islamic girls wore head scarves in class.

Had the same argument with bangles, ankle chains and other jewelery.
She wasn't allowed to wear them but the Islamic girls could.


I believe there is more to this 'story' than you have shared

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 8:57:17 AM   
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But if you send a picture that cover your boobs, and you can't get to the first interview, so 0% chance of getting the job.

That's the point, getting to the interview first is the first important step to land a job.

No, it is not 0%* chance. It may be significantly less of a chance, but the tricky thing about statistics is quantitative vs. qualitative, as well as unaccounted-for variables which cannot be measured.

Want to bet these were primarily relatively low-paying, entry-level/trainee positions? Note there was a peek of cleavage shown, which gives the impression the applicant is HWP. These are fashion-figure-conscious Parisians.

Want to bet that photos of pushed-up, ample boobage might have the reverse effect, especially with recruiters who are sensitive to keeping with the corporate culture (besides Hooters).

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* Among the 200 sales role applications, the low-cut dress submissions received 62 more interview offers than their counterparts.

From the 200 accountancy applications there were 68 more interview offers for the more provocatively-dressed candidate.

Don't most upwardly mobile people in the workforce know by now that the plum jobs go the way of cronyism, word of mouth through the grapevine, and trading favors? You scratch my back, and I'll scratch your back. That has been going on forever.

When your boss gets promoted or makes a lateral move elsewhere, he or she will try to take the most trusted, loyal members of the team with him or her. There is no shame in riding on the coattails of successful opportunities.

Recruiting outside of the organization is usually just for show, rarely to fill a position that isn't a crappy high-turnover position that nobody else wants.

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 9:05:04 AM   
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If I'm a bigot, then explain to me why my daughter was ordered to remove her scarf when she walked into the school building with a written warning of detention and being sent home if she did it again.
And yet ALL the Islamic girls wore head scarves in class.

Had the same argument with bangles, ankle chains and other jewelery.
She wasn't allowed to wear them but the Islamic girls could.


ooooooh and we were forced to remove our crosses and wear skirts to below our knees and werent allowed to wear pants.
We werent allowed to wear mini skirts, we had to wear our uniform all the time and a blazer...we had to represent our school to the outside world, god forbid you get caught doing something (outrageous) in your uniform, we werent allowed to wear make up and wearing earring studs was allowed but if you wore danglies you had to put plasters over them, cos kids were going around pulling earrings out(ripping the ear lobe)
I had my lipstick forcibly removed with a scrubbing pad when I was 16.
Yes you are a bigot, but you cant see it. Im happy to point it out







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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 9:05:42 AM   
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If I'm a bigot, then explain to me why my daughter was ordered to remove her scarf when she walked into the school building with a written warning of detention and being sent home if she did it again.
And yet ALL the Islamic girls wore head scarves in class.

Had the same argument with bangles, ankle chains and other jewelery.
She wasn't allowed to wear them but the Islamic girls could.



If that's true that doesn't seem just. I would raise a stink about it.
If they use the religion card, you can say yeah well I have the religion for my daughter to be equal, she wears a scarf too.
Lol
Like other have said, hats or scarves were considered a part of a woman's style and warbrobe which might mean their hair is fashioned especially for the hat or scarve. You don't see a lot of it like before but I like the tradition.




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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 10:02:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was very unjust and not the first time I crossed swords with the (white) head teacher about it.
And yes, they pulled the religion card.
It really was as simple as I put it.
My daughter had many Islamic friends and wanted to be like them - but she was banned.

They banned the nativity play and easter stuff too but celebrated eid and ramadam.
No, it wasn't a faith school either.
And yes, I did kick up a big stink about it.
If you wanna know where it all happened, it was Gladstone School in Peterborough.

The reason she was told she had to remove her scarf indoors was that it was school policy to have outdoor wear put in the cloakroom (hats, scarves, wellies, coats etc).

Also, when going into a Money Shop, my wife was asked to remove her hat for the camera for identification purposes.
I didn't see the other Islamic women being told to remove theirs!
So I may be a bigot but I've been on the other end of it too.
There should be a single rule for everyone across the board - no exceptions for religion.


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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 10:18:50 AM   
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It was very unjust and not the first time I crossed swords with the (white) head teacher about it.
And yes, they pulled the religion card.
It really was as simple as I put it.
My daughter had many Islamic friends and wanted to be like them - but she was banned.

They banned the nativity play and easter stuff too but celebrated eid and ramadam.
No, it wasn't a faith school either.
And yes, I did kick up a big stink about it.
If you wanna know where it all happened, it was Gladstone School in Peterborough.

The reason she was told she had to remove her scarf indoors was that it was school policy to have outdoor wear put in the cloakroom (hats, scarves, wellies, coats etc).

Also, when going into a Money Shop, my wife was asked to remove her hat for the camera for identification purposes.
I didn't see the other Islamic women being told to remove theirs!
So I may be a bigot but I've been on the other end of it too.
There should be a single rule for everyone across the board - no exceptions for religion.



Like hell...really?
When shoe licking political correctness screws their own people.
Good God that's simple stupity.
Americans are following...



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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 10:19:00 AM   
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They might get the interview but do they get the job?

You're a lot more likely to get the job if you're offered an interview rather than getting a form rejection letter, I'd have thought.

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 10:29:40 AM   
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They might get the interview but do they get the job?

You're a lot more likely to get the job if you're offered an interview rather than getting a form rejection letter, I'd have thought.

....and that's assuming they even bother to communicate with you at all.

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 10:39:28 AM   
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There should be a single rule for everyone across the board - no exceptions for religion.


YOu mean there should be no freedom of religious expression?

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 10:43:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I don't understand is why you have to send in a picture of yourself with the application or CV anyway... In Canada I think that is illegal. Because it is a form of discrimination no matter what your beliefs are.
Jewish men wear their yarmulke inside and outside, has anyone ever told them to remove that? Probably not. Most Muslims men I have met wear a head covering inside and out. Maybe they just wear them to the mosque and home again, but I could care less. If it is a sign of their faith, so be it. Are you going to tell a Sikh to remove his turban inside, probably norm and if a school headmaster insisted he would probably be sued for discrimination against a religion... Embrace it or move off world

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 10:49:13 AM   
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They might get the interview but do they get the job?

You're a lot more likely to get the job if you're offered an interview rather than getting a form rejection letter, I'd have thought.

....and that's assuming they even bother to communicate with you at all.

Oh, don't even get me started on that one.

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 11:02:39 AM   
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There should be a single rule for everyone across the board - no exceptions for religion.


YOu mean there should be no freedom of religious expression?

I'm not saying that Lucy.
But whatever rules you adopt or allow for one group should also apply to everyone else.

In my daughters case, if the other girls (her friends) were allowed to wear scarves and bangles and whatever in the classroom, she should be allowed the same priviliges they enjoyed.

It's not like we bought different stuff either.
We bought the bangles from the same shop that her friends bought theirs from.
We even paid an Indian seamstress to make identical tunics with the same material that her friends had.
After all, we lived right in the middle of them all (have posted on other threads about this).
Most of her friend's parents owned the shops we bought from.
Yet she was excluded from wearing it.



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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 11:12:26 AM   
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There should be a single rule for everyone across the board - no exceptions for religion.


YOu mean there should be no freedom of religious expression?

I'm not saying that Lucy.
But whatever rules you adopt or allow for one group should also apply to everyone else.

In my daughters case, if the other girls (her friends) were allowed to wear scarves and bangles and whatever in the classroom, she should be allowed the same priviliges they enjoyed.

It's not like we bought different stuff either.
We bought the bangles from the same shop that her friends bought theirs from.
We even paid an Indian seamstress to make identical tunics with the same material that her friends had.
After all, we lived right in the middle of them all (have posted on other threads about this).
Most of her friend's parents owned the shops we bought from.
Yet she was excluded from wearing it.



So you're using your kids as a test case to make a point about religious favouritism?

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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 11:15:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not religious favouritism - equality across the board for everyone, regardless.

What's good for the goose and all that.


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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 11:24:07 AM   
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In my daughters case, if the other girls (her friends) were allowed to wear scarves and bangles and whatever in the classroom, she should be allowed the same priviliges they enjoyed.

Bullshit.


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RE: Women wearing low cut tops 19 times more likely to ... - 6/29/2016 11:27:50 AM   
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I believe there is more to this 'story' than you have shared

More likely, there's a lot less to the story than he has shared. He has an incredibly active imagination.

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