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A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 1:04:34 AM

Greta75

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I enjoy the comments of my fellow Singaporeans, and many are alot more articulate at expressing themselves than I am.

I posted this in the Orlando Thread, but this is the view of a foreign country from the outside observing in response to the failed attempt to have stricter gun laws recently. I thought some of these are very fair neutral comments.

It is a culture of freedom they hold and believe dearly ; freedom to do what they pleased , freedom to shoot and kill , freedom to vote against what selfishly is not right for them , etc , and the paramount of individual freedom at the expense of others , and all these are done and exist in a society where absolute freedom is given in the name of democracy ! Absolute democracy = absolute freedom= absolute destruction !

The ease of possession of firearms gives every American a misguided belief he or she can rely on that firepower to seek redress outside the legal system. it has turned America into a dangerous world.

definitely need some form of gun control with the increasing fanatics out there but we as outsiders shouldn't be telling Americans they need to ban gun outright. Most people have no clue how guns n guns ownership became their way of life in America period.

Gun is power. Even a meek person will feel that power. Then a false move and you have a potential deadly situation. Glad our country has its strict law on guns.

It's impossible to take away (the right to own guns) once you have allowed it. Once they own it, you cannot control how they use it.

Their country is born out of war and firepower that the gun makers supported. Luckily we don't have such a history.

As long as gun are sold freely, trigger happy incident will continue to happen

Comments came from my law's minister face book page: https://www.facebook.com/k.shanmugam.page/

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 7:53:12 AM

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Greta, my experience is that all the non-Americans I have met (and many of the Americans too) shake their heads and wonder why the US has the gun laws and gun culture it has. I haven't met anyone who feels that importing their gun laws here would be a good thing. There are a few gun nuts who feel that way but fortunately I have never met any of them.

Many Americans view their right to bear arms as an integral part of their suite of rights and freedoms. All the non-Americans I have met view gun control as an essential safety feature of modern societies. It is difficult to find a means of reconciling those virtually opposite approaches. Any possibility of a sensible compromise is eliminated as pro-gun Americans feel no need to compromise on this issue, and as their Constitution confers this right upon them, as long as they remain intransigent, they will retain their right to bear arms.

Perhaps we should both feel grateful that we don't have to live with such lunacy.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 8:21:02 AM

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How has Australia faired with the gun laws they have?... Here in Canada it can take up to 6 months to get a possession and acquisition license. You have to take a 1-2 day gun course, then file your paperwork... You also have to have references to your mental stability. Amid you are throughly investigated by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. You are allowed to have weapons like AR 15's here but the magazines have to be blocked so they can for no more than 5 rounds in them. The only exception to that rule is owning an M1 Garand, because the magazine only holds 8 rounds. How many magazines would the Orlando shooter would have needed if he attempted hat crime in Canada?

Handguns are a completely other story. The course is 2 days, but in order to own a hand gun you have to belong to a gun club, and they help fill out the transportation paperwork. You can only legally transport a handgun to and from your house to the gun range.

Since 1989 when we clamped down on gun possession, after a mass shooting in Momtreal killed 15. Since then we have only had 9 shootings of more than 4 people at a time. I like our gun laws... And no one is screaming they are going to take our guns away here

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 8:47:07 AM

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dear greta, we may not agree, on everything, but the comments you have shown are correct.

in my [job] based in UK . I do have a glock 17. and know how and when to use it.

maybe we are more civilized ... xx Terri..

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 8:50:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Baldrick

How has Australia faired with the gun laws they have?... Here in Canada it can take up to 6 months to get a possession and acquisition license. You have to take a 1-2 day gun course, then file your paperwork... You also have to have references to your mental stability. Amid you are throughly investigated by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. You are allowed to have weapons like AR 15's here but the magazines have to be blocked so they can for no more than 5 rounds in them. The only exception to that rule is owning an M1 Garand, because the magazine only holds 8 rounds. How many magazines would the Orlando shooter would have needed if he attempted hat crime in Canada?

Handguns are a completely other story. The course is 2 days, but in order to own a hand gun you have to belong to a gun club, and they help fill out the transportation paperwork. You can only legally transport a handgun to and from your house to the gun range.

Since 1989 when we clamped down on gun possession, after a mass shooting in Momtreal killed 15. Since then we have only had 9 shootings of more than 4 people at a time. I like our gun laws... And no one is screaming they are going to take our guns away here

We had a major change in our gun laws here after a mass shooting that killed 35 people in 1996. The Govt held a compulsory buy back of high powered auto rifles through the National Firearms Agreement (NFA). Some 600,000 weapons were bought back and then destroyed. Since then mercifully we have had no mass shootings (barring some domestic murder/suicides).
" [A]2010 study by Andrew Leigh and Christine Neill found that, in the decade after the NFA, non-gun homicide rates fell by 59% and gun homicides fell by the same 59% with gun suicide rates falling by 65%." http://aler.oxfordjournals.org/content/12/2/509

Any one who wants a gun and has a legitimate reason for owning one can obtain a licence and get a weapon, providing they are of good character (ie no criminal record). There are strict regulations over what types of weapons can be privately owned and how they are stored. I'm not sure how long the approval process takes.

There are a few gun nuts unhappy with the gun laws They have formed a Shooters and Fishers (political) Party that advocates relaxing our laws but it rarely receives more than one per cent of the vote. So most people (including me) like our current gun laws and would be strongly opposed to any relaxation of them.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 8:53:26 AM

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Greta, as an American who believes in the 2nd Amendment but also believes reasonable controls are necessary, I wouldn't exactly call this article 'neutral'. Quite patronizing, in fact.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:05:43 AM

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Their country is born out of war and firepower that the gun makers supported. Luckily we don't have such a history.

It's hardly "history" The United States is the weapons locker for the world. Weapons are our mass export. We are, on the world stage, both the merchants and deliverers of death. Our internal face matches quite nicely with our external one. The United States is a brutal, blood-soaked culture... I suspect nurtured and encouraged by the extended MIC.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:21:42 AM

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And no one is screaming they are going to take our guns away here

Other than the idiots, of which the US seems to have far more per capita than anywhere else.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:21:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Greta, my experience is that all the non-Americans I have met (and many of the Americans too) shake their heads and wonder why the US has the gun laws and gun culture it has. I haven't met anyone who feels that importing their gun laws here would be a good thing. There are a few gun nuts who feel that way but fortunately I have never met any of them.

Many Americans view their right to bear arms as an integral part of their suite of rights and freedoms. All the non-Americans I have met view gun control as an essential safety feature of modern societies. It is difficult to find a means of reconciling those virtually opposite approaches. Any possibility of a sensible compromise is eliminated as pro-gun Americans feel no need to compromise on this issue, and as their Constitution confers this right upon them, as long as they remain intransigent, they will retain their right to bear arms.

Perhaps we should both feel grateful that we don't have to live with such lunacy.

perhaps you should feel grateful you dont have vast oil reserves too.

If the day should ever occur and it never will that people 'honestly' control the gubblemint instead of the historical oligarchs and all nations armies lay down their arms then americans might be entertain the sitting around your campfire singing kumbya with you. Just because natural born slaves are too blind to see the 'big' picture does not mean everyone is.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:23:22 AM

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Other than the idiots, of which the US seems to have far more per capita than anywhere else.

yeh lots of immigrants

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:26:53 AM

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yeh lots of immigrants

I see you have no ability to follow a conversation. There's a lot of that with you Yanks, and oddly enough almost never with the immigrants.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:50:18 AM

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yeh lots of immigrants

I see you have no ability to follow a conversation. There's a lot of that with you Yanks, and oddly enough almost never with the immigrants.

bringing in another and larger side of the argument that is being ignored by the drummers.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:52:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Their country is born out of war and firepower that the gun makers supported. Luckily we don't have such a history.

It's hardly "history" The United States is the weapons locker for the world. Weapons are our mass export. We are, on the world stage, both the merchants and deliverers of death. Our internal face matches quite nicely with our external one. The United States is a brutal, blood-soaked culture... I suspect nurtured and encouraged by the extended MIC.

Sure but dont forget that this is created behind the scenes by the very people who want to disarm everyone.

when greta and tweak get rid of all nation state and would be armies and I am all ears

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 9:56:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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And no one is screaming they are going to take our guns away here

Other than the idiots, of which the US seems to have far more per capita than anywhere else.

Diz, he is talking about Canada, not the US.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 10:03:15 AM

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Lol.
You do know a blind man could see the intentions of non stop insults to Americans.
Jealous much? Or maybe it's ignorance.
You don't hear about the every day routine stuff, you hear about the tragedies.
My step dad is a hunter and owns an arsenal of guns. So do both my step brothers. So do half their sons. All hunters. All legal. Although they could, they don't carry a gun on themselves. Maybe in their vehicle but not strapped on routinely. One works for a federal penitentiary so trust me he has been tested psychologically.
Good news they have neither threatens nor killed anyone and they are between 50-85 years of age with this privilege from the age of being legal.
You never have to concern yourself with them unless one decides to steal, pull a gun on innocents, or themselves having their life threatened. A problem might be created then, but who created their destiny?
As far as people carrying a gun on their person, depends on the nature of their job or the environment they are entering.
There was a thread about people with guns while just having lunch. You really don't see people running around with guns exposed, at least where I come from. If they have one its concealed, unless it's a profession you won't see that. If someone is going to lunch showing a weapon it's very likely they will be questioned or reported anonymously.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 10:13:50 AM

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There are hords of propagandists all of whom have sworn allegiance to britain bent on the continued promotion of their failed debt based money laundering monetary operations. Its their duty to fuck with other nations politics to their own advantage. Its in their national anthem. Disarming the slaves using manufactured tragedies is due course.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 10:19:37 AM

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Another comment while I'm on a roll.
I watched a Muslim woman off from a link from here, be beaten, tortured, killed by a mob of mainly men because she was accused of burning a Quran, later to find out she died under false allegations to add insult to injury.
It is a rare occurrence, almost as unheard of here. There might be a couple crazies in a crowd but the rest of the crowd would have went apeshit and subdued those maniacs or killed them for that heinous crime. I still can't get that sickening injustice out of my head.
People who do such a good thing I would not even call human.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 10:47:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Their country is born out of war and firepower that the gun makers supported. Luckily we don't have such a history.

It's hardly "history" The United States is the weapons locker for the world. Weapons are our mass export. We are, on the world stage, both the merchants and deliverers of death. Our internal face matches quite nicely with our external one. The United States is a brutal, blood-soaked culture... I suspect nurtured and encouraged by the extended MIC.

Deliverers Of death? Blood soaked culture?
Very insulting. Put your dress back on.
Liar.

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 10:53:40 AM

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FR
Virtually all war in the last 200 years can be linked to 3 main parties.
the military and industrial complex, the banks, the old world aristocracies the .01% fighting over market position/power retention.

Pretty tough to blame the muslims for what we ourselves do or try to do.

Congress has, as recently as 2006, attempted to amend the Constitution to prohibit flag desecration, with the effort failing by one vote in the Senate.

Nothing like proving the US is a religious establishment?

Whats the difference between desecrating a quran or a US flag?

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RE: A different culture point of view of Legalised Guns - 7/1/2016 11:01:07 AM

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The population of America is 320 million: which is 4% of the world’s population. They are but goldfish trapped in a bowl, or like shooting fish in a barrel to coin a well worn phrase in a language - they barely understand. They are beyond all hope.

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