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Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/2/2016 10:48:51 PM   
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Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI over background-check error

The families of victims killed in last year’s shooting at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C., are suing the FBI over an error during a background check that allowed the alleged shooter to buy his gun.

The lawsuit comes a year after the mass shooting that sent shock waves through the country. Dylann Roof, then 21, a white high school dropout, is charged with opening fire and killing nine black parishioners during a prayer meeting at the historic African American church.

In the days after the shooting, FBI Director James B. Comey said in a remarkable disclosure that Roof shouldn’t have been able to buy the gun he allegedly used.

Roof had been arrested for possession of narcotics in February 2015, a charge that alone did not disqualify him from buying a gun. But Comey said Roof’s subsequent admission of the drug crime would have triggered an automatic rejection of his gun purchase if the information had been properly recorded in ­criminal-record and background-check databases.

Authorities have said that a clerk’s mistake in how Roof’s arrest was listed prevented the FBI examiner for his background check from seeing it. And once the three-day mandatory waiting period for gun purchases expired, Roof was able to buy the .45-caliber Glock handgun.

“We are all sick this happened,” Comey said at the time. “We wish we could turn back time.”

In one of the multiple lawsuits filed Thursday, the victims’ families said, “If the gun sale was denied as required, it would have prevented the foreseeable harm to those people.”

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If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?
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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/2/2016 11:04:00 PM   
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If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?

None. But I'm sure it's all the fault of the NRA.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/2/2016 11:21:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?

None. But I'm sure it's all the fault of the NRA.

No no no, it's the fault of those evil gun manufacturers! Here's proof!!!

http://www.fixnics.org/factinfo.cfm

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:12:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?

None. But I'm sure it's all the fault of the NRA.

No no no, it's the fault of those evil gun manufacturers! Here's proof!!!

http://www.fixnics.org/factinfo.cfm

K.



If they can't do the checks as they are obviously that problem will be magically fixed by doing checks on more people. sarcasm font off

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 3:40:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?

None. But I'm sure it's all the fault of the NRA.

No no no, it's the fault of those evil gun manufacturers! Here's proof!!!

http://www.fixnics.org/factinfo.cfm

K.



If they can't do the checks as they are obviously that problem will be magically fixed by doing checks on more people. sarcasm font off

LOL It's Bush's fault. LOL

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 3:46:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?

None. But I'm sure it's all the fault of the NRA.

No no no, it's the fault of those evil gun manufacturers! Here's proof!!!

http://www.fixnics.org/factinfo.cfm

K.



If they can't do the checks as they are obviously that problem will be magically fixed by doing checks on more people. sarcasm font off

LOL It's Bush's fault. LOL

That too.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 6:57:48 AM   
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I am pretty sure the "winnebago" decission of scotus will prevent this suit from going anywhere.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 7:46:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?

None. But I'm sure it's all the fault of the NRA.

No no no, it's the fault of those evil gun manufacturers! Here's proof!!!

http://www.fixnics.org/factinfo.cfm

K.



If they can't do the checks as they are obviously that problem will be magically fixed by doing checks on more people. sarcasm font off

LOL It's Bush's fault. LOL

That too.


Well, by extension it is the NRA's fault because as we've been told here time after time, the NRA is the exclusive lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers.


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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 12:40:28 PM   
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It's Roof's fault and no one else's.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 12:49:30 PM   
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It's Roof's fault and no one else's.

It is Roof's fault and only Roof's fault he committed the crime. It is the FBI's fault and the local Sheriff's offices fault he was able to buy a firearm.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:12:19 PM   
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It is the FBI's fault and the local Sheriff's offices fault he was able to buy a firearm.

Actually that is the fault of the framers of the Constitution.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:17:16 PM   
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It is the FBI's fault and the local Sheriff's offices fault he was able to buy a firearm.

Actually that is the fault of the framers of the Constitution.


The 2nd Amendment is to blame for a mentally unstable person wreaking havoc on others?

Are we reading the same Bill of Rights?

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:27:30 PM   
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It is the FBI's fault and the local Sheriff's offices fault he was able to buy a firearm.

Actually that is the fault of the framers of the Constitution.

You mean because they didn't want to live in a police state?


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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:30:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ifmaz


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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It is the FBI's fault and the local Sheriff's offices fault he was able to buy a firearm.

Actually that is the fault of the framers of the Constitution.


The 2nd Amendment is to blame for a mentally unstable person wreaking havoc on others?

Are we reading the same Bill of Rights?


You aren't reading through the same prism.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:35:01 PM   
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It is the FBI's fault and the local Sheriff's offices fault he was able to buy a firearm. [/quote]
Actually that is the fault of the framers of the Constitution.


The 2nd Amendment is to blame for a mentally unstable person wreaking havoc on others?

Are we reading the same Bill of Rights?

Yup the same one that gave white men guns to control those who were not white.
So now that "anyone" can have a gun many do who probably should not.


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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:37:07 PM   
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You mean because they didn't want to live in a police state?

Bands of armed white men chasing down runaway slaves and searching slave quarters for oontraband is not a police state?

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:40:49 PM   
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You aren't reading through the same prism.


Please mr. mensa eligible tell us of the many different kinds of prisms and how they function differently to give us different results from the same input.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:43:35 PM   
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It is Roof's fault and only Roof's fault he committed the crime. It is the FBI's fault and the local Sheriff's offices fault he was able to buy a firearm.


So you are saying that the cops ,that you constantly pimp, are incompetant loosers who should not be let out without a keeper?

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:44:45 PM   
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Well, by extension it is the NRA's fault because as we've been told here time after time, the NRA is the exclusive lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers.

I think that is a lie you will have a difficult time of supporting.

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RE: Families of Charleston shooting victims sue FBI - 7/3/2016 1:48:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz
If we have background checks that aren't properly supported with data, of what use is an "expanded background check"?

None. But I'm sure it's all the fault of the NRA.

No no no, it's the fault of those evil gun manufacturers! Here's proof!!!

http://www.fixnics.org/factinfo.cfm

K.



If they can't do the checks as they are obviously that problem will be magically fixed by doing checks on more people. sarcasm font off

LOL It's Bush's fault. LOL

That too.


Well, by extension it is the NRA's fault because as we've been told here time after time, the NRA is the exclusive lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers.


And apparently they hack into the FBI database so they can't enter info into the NICS and do it so smoothly that the FBI thinks it is thier mistake.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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