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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/3/2016 4:47:47 PM

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There is no Democrat in this election. It's GOP Clinton vs. Xenophobia Trump.

So not all that different from the last 4 or 5 presidential elections.

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/3/2016 4:53:49 PM

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Historically? No. But, we aren't talking about the horrible working conditions that Unions fought to get out of. Most of the stuff Unions fought to get for the American worker has now been codified and watched over by OSHA.

I'm not sure that means the battle's been won for all time, though. In other areas, we've seen efforts to roll back regulation (environment) and to enact regulation slicing away at legal rights (abortion).

Neither of which have anything to do with Unions...

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/3/2016 5:20:15 PM

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The only reason the Unions want a higher minimum wage, is so they have more leverage to fight for even higher Union wages. That's it.

Businesses seek to get the highest possible profits for their goods and services. Is it wrong for workers to do likewise?

How do businesses seek the highest possible profits? By keeping their costs low, and charging as high as the market will bear.

That's not what's going on with the minimum wage fight, though. The end of that fight is in government setting a price floor for the cost of labor. A price floor higher than what market forces would dictate.

I oppose setting price floors for goods and services, too. Both end up skewing the market, and cause market failures. Raise the minimum wage, and you'll have more people looking for jobs than people looking to hire, and/or, you'll have businesses going more and more towards automation.

The more expensive human resources become, the more businesses are going to look for (and find or develop) ways to keep their profits high.

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/3/2016 8:39:42 PM

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Historically? No. But, we aren't talking about the horrible working conditions that Unions fought to get out of. Most of the stuff Unions fought to get for the American worker has now been codified and watched over by OSHA. [/quote]
I'm not sure that means the battle's been won for all time, though. In other areas, we've seen efforts to roll back regulation (environment) and to enact regulation slicing away at legal rights (abortion).[/quote]

Neither of which have anything to do with Unions...

Help me out with this logic train here bud. You say unions were necessary in the past before osha but are not necessary anymore because we have osha. If osha is rolled back then the need for union is returned.
Splane me dat?.

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/3/2016 8:56:08 PM

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Businesses seek to get the highest possible profits for their goods and services. Is it wrong for workers to do likewise?

How do businesses seek the highest possible profits? By keeping their costs low, and charging as high as the market will bear.

Where does the quality of the product or service enter into that equation?

That's not what's going on with the minimum wage fight, though.

Because you say so????Dude that is exactly what is going on labor wants a larger piece of the pie.

The end of that fight is in government

Since we elect our governmet that would be me and thee dumbass. Government is not something imposed on us from on high...Are you uaware of the phrase "we the people"?

setting a price floor for the cost of labor. A price floor higher than what market forces would dictate.

How can you claim that market forces dictate the price of labor?
Do you claim to be ignorant of h1b visas?
Do you claim to be ignorant of the pressure that illegal alliens put on wages?
Do you claim to be ignorant of the policy of "off shoring" labor ?

I oppose setting price floors for goods and services, too.

Isn't a price floor for services called a minimum wage?

Both end up skewing the market, and cause market failures.

Perhps you could show us when where and how often this has happened say in the past coouple of hundred years?
It seems to work well for adm and carvil the sugar producers, the milk producers, the tobacco producers,the peanut producers, the list goes on

Raise the minimum wage, and you'll have more people looking for jobs than people looking to hire, and/or, you'll have businesses going more and more towards automation.

More people willing to work for a higher wage and advances in technology...sounds like win win to me. So tell me once again why you are opposed.

The more expensive human resources become, the more businesses are going to look for (and find or develop) ways to keep their profits high.

Omg such a firm grasp of the obvious???or are you trying to create a platitude?

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/4/2016 2:01:12 AM

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Jeeze, so Trump is rude and Clinton is a pathological liar and the "Republican Women" choose to go with the pathological liar as maybe "the lessor of two evils?
Yup, and I know for sure that someday an alligator is going to save my life!
What are they thinking; "well, maybe one day she won't lie as much?"
Good grief!

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/4/2016 3:34:41 AM

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Jeeze, so Trump is rude and Clinton is a pathological liar and the "Republican Women" choose to go with the pathological liar as maybe "the lessor of two evils?

No the republican women think trumph is rude and a pathalogical liar so they are choosing to go with the polite liar...duuuh

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/4/2016 8:32:11 AM

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That's a popular meme, I know. But have you considered . . .

-- Abortion rights -- agreed
-- Supreme Court nominations -- meaningless in and of itself.
-- Climate change -- show me the pragmatic difference. One party believes in reality yet doesn't care. The other party doesn't believe in reality so doesn't care.
-- LGBT issues -- Driven by ground up social change not by any particular party.
-- Environmental concerns -- Again, not much evidence to support this.
-- Affordable Care Act -- ROFL, the perfect neolib program.
-- Maintaining vs. privatizing Social Security -- I see little evidence of this. Democrats are sneakier, I'll give you that.
-- Workers' rights -- You're thinking of some other party? The current Democratic party is pushing TPP
-- Evolution vs. creationism -- more generically, science vs. faith. agreed.

The two parties are clearly not identical. In order to create the kabuki theater they must put up at least some sort of smoke screen of a battle in order to invigorate the masses. Yet in most of the ways I care about, they are close enough. Neither party actually has any interest in representing the will of it's constituents as evidenced by the long laundry list of issues which have broad, bi-partisan support... sometimes upwards of a whopping 80%... and get nowhere.

In point of fact, the bottom 90% of income earners in the United States exercise no statistically significant influence on US policy. The upper 10% control the show lock, stock and barrel. Both parties are complicit in this. Here's the cartoon version of Gilens & Page... science for the win!

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/4/2016 9:47:58 AM

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-- Supreme Court nominations -- meaningless in and of itself.

Wow. We definitely disagree on that one.

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/5/2016 11:38:33 AM

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The only reason the Unions want a higher minimum wage, is so they have more leverage to fight for even higher Union wages. That's it.

Businesses seek to get the highest possible profits for their goods and services. Is it wrong for workers to do likewise?

How do businesses seek the highest possible profits? By keeping their costs low, and charging as high as the market will bear.

That's not what's going on with the minimum wage fight, though. The end of that fight is in government setting a price floor for the cost of labor. A price floor higher than what market forces would dictate.

I oppose setting price floors for goods and services, too. Both end up skewing the market, and cause market failures. Raise the minimum wage, and you'll have more people looking for jobs than people looking to hire, and/or, you'll have businesses going more and more towards automation.

The more expensive human resources become, the more businesses are going to look for (and find or develop) ways to keep their profits high.

so by all that logic..... employee's should shut up and take what the "market will bear" while being homeless/hungry because the rent, utilities, and food costs keeps going up while the businesses are profit hording? or the threat is being replaced by a machine if we workers don't shut up??

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/5/2016 4:10:47 PM

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so by all that logic..... employee's should shut up and take what the "market will bear" while being homeless/hungry because the rent, utilities, and food costs keeps going up while the businesses are profit hording? or the threat is being replaced by a machine if we workers don't shut up??

You can fight for your pay rate, but, yes, you'll have to accept what the market will bear. If you can't find a job at a pay rate you desire, you either improve yourself to make your labor input worth (to an employer) the pay rate you desire, or you lower your pay rate demand.

If your pay rate demands are ignored and you're replaced by automation, well, there you go. The cost of the machine plus maintenance apparently was worth more than your labor input at the price you were demanding.

Businesses are created not to create jobs, but to deliver goods to the market at a price they can sell their goods and make a profit. If there is a lot of profit, then businesses run the risk of more competition, reducing their profits.

I'm opposed to government creating hurdles to new businesses and competition to the benefit of big corporations, too. That's a huge problem in the US.

How much is too much profit? Is it a $ amount, or a %?

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RE: Republican Women for Hillary - 7/5/2016 4:47:13 PM

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Given the choice between Clinton and Trump, they choose to actively campaign for Clinton.

Given the choice between Hillary and a dead badger, nine out of ten carrion eaters choose the badger.

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