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crazyml -> RE: Milo says: "Lesbians are terrifying!" (7/12/2016 12:23:29 AM)
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ORIGINAL: crazyml
I don't think that the misconceptions that some have about feminism are easy to dismiss at all!
crazyml, I promise I won't make a habit of quoting little snippets of your text, but one of the words you use makes an impression.
I understand the difficulty of not wanting to repost a slew of text, the problem with clipping snippets is that context is important sometimes.
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I appreciate that you don't take reasoned arguments lightly, and that from time to time arguments may come down the pipe which aren't exactly reasoned, and I get the feeling you'll give anyone who uses media apart from brown cardboard and body odour to make their point a fair shake.
This is why the word has bounced about my head a few times. The word is misconceptions.
I brought up the idea that someone would level some charge or other at feminism, as well my own grievance that those charges are too easily dismissed, along with a crude caricature of what those dismissals read like. I may be right, I may be wrong.
Now I'm not exactly sure what an ideology really is. To keep things interesting, I'll not look it up, and be enlightened instead in this forum. I get the impression that ideologies aren't flawless. There is no position, ideological or otherwise which I could hold where I can confidently say, before hearing the arguments against it, that any such arguments are misconceptions of the position.
Yes of course, It would be foolish person who held that any argument against a particular point of view was a misconception. I am quite sure that you will never witness me arguing that any ideology is flawless, and I am equally sure that you'll find me willing and able to engage in debate, even about beliefs and values that I hold strongly.
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It seems this would put one over an epistemic event horizon.
I have a hunch that that is not what you want to do, and though it would be boring of me to speculate as to why you chose that word, could you understand why it doesn't come across as a synonym for "criticisms" or "arguments"?
I don't mind what hunches you have, you're very welcome to your hunches. I have a couple about you, as it happens.
With regard to your hunch. I am not sure why misconception should come across as a synonym for "criticisms" or "arguments". As the word means something quite different.
I chose the word, as opposed to "arguments" or "criticisms" quite deliberately to refer to the often repeated misconceptions about feminism that get bandied about. If I had wished to talk more generally about "criticisms" or "arguments" I would have used those words. I am glad to have set your mind to rest.
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Ms. Lastic, who may in real life be the second or third most reasoned head on Earth, laid down the dichotomy of feminist/misogynist.
Could you see how despite your best efforts, these overtures give the impression of a mind tattooed rather than made up? Please note that I don't want to equate your positions/opinions/beliefs/ideologies.
No, not really. I can see how some people might draw that conclusion, sure, but no I don't think that it would be generally true.
Equally, I hope you don't mind if I observe that some might view your remark as deliberately provocative?
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As you pointed out, it is impossible to be a neutral observer. I contend that this doomed enterprise is forever a worthwhile pursuit.
Yes, the other side is often belligerent, but it's not all tin-foil fashions, slobberguards and claims that feminists faked the moon landing. The most debilitating assumption I could make about myself would be to assume I don't have any assumptions.
Thanks again, crazyml, for taking the time.
Well, it is certainly true that, in general, critiques of feminism are not all slobberguards and tin-foil fashions, but here in the dungeon, a remarkably high proportion of them are.
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