jlf1961
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We saw a man in NY resist arrest Vince… although it does amaze me how people can see the same video and come away with opposite perceptions… After the facts were gathered they were exonerated… Butch . . . ERIC GARDNER RESISTING ARREST??? and dying while handcuffed, in a choke hold, and crying that he can't breathe. Resisting? Don't touch me is resisting? Did anyone say he was under arrest? No. Vincent, I hate to break the bad news to you, but as soon as someone fails to cooperate with an officer's verbal instructions, it becomes resisting. Now, before you go and blast me for that statement, I would like to add, I and many present and former officers disagree with that, for many reasons. An individual may have medical or psychological issues that would prevent compliance with certain instructions from an officer, furthermore, many good officers feel that once a situation has escalated to the point where there is a physical confrontation, the officer in charge at the time has lost control of the situation. However, there is no set guideline for training officers to prevent such confrontations, hence the use of physical restraint, tasers, pepper spray and stun guns, all of which carry risks to the individual. That being said, there is a device that is non-lethal, non harmful (other than a mild headache and nausea) that was developed some years ago but has yet to even be considered as a replacement for the stun gun, tazer and pepper spray. The device is hand portable and uses a combination of sound and bright lights that disorient an individual, and works quite well unless the person is deaf or blind. It is the combination lights and sound that makes the unit effective. For group situations, such as riots etc, there is another substance that was developed that is more effective than water cannons or tear gas. Initially the primary way to deploy the substance was through low pressure water cannons, however the developer has come up with a paper canister with a small explosive charge (slightly more powerful than a large firecracker) that can be either thrown or fired from a shot gun, and the substance is activated when water is applied, again low pressure equal to a garden hose. As soon as the powder comes into contact with water, it becomes so slippery it is impossible to maintain footing, or even drive wheeled or tracked vehicles. While the electronic device is being held up by various lawsuits because it does cause physical discomfort, the other is being held up because it may be harmful to individuals if it gets on their skin. The "harmful due to skin contact" argument is invalid due to the fact the substance is based on the organic used to aid animals in the birthing process, as well as mixed to allow a veterinarian to insert his/her hand up various large orifices in large animals. As a side note, the substance is sold in many adult novelty stores as well. Now, there is a growing majority of law enforcement personnel who would like to see these two alternatives deployed, thus making the use of their firearms the ultimate last resort. However, the ACLU and other organizations have filed a number of injunctions to prevent deployment since both were primarily developed for the military, thus the argument is that it militarizes law enforcement. Personally, I would enjoy seeing a bunch of KKK or neo nazis unable to stand because of the super slick goo on the ground, and then puking because of the light/sound device. I feel that it is impossible to maintain the attitude of hate when you look like some movie short of the keystone cops. I will also say that, having been in law enforcement and having to draw and use my weapon on three occasions none of which resulted in a fatality, I personally felt that when I had to draw my weapon, the situational control had been lost. Contrary to the argument presented by BLM and other more militant groups, the majority of officers do not want to draw their weapons, regardless of the suspects skin color.
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Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think? You cannot control who comes into your life, but you can control which airlock you throw them out of. Paranoid Paramilitary Gun Loving Conspiracy Theorist AND EQUAL OPPORTUNI
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