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No cops present, shooter cuts loose, ccw holder stops him.
See the difference?
Which adds to my argument that civilians can help the cops if they are allowed to, they got man power and fire power! But they aren't allowed to if cops were present.
So in Dallas situations, the victims were the cops getting shoot at!
In SC, civilians were the victims getting shoot at and it's okay to interfere to save their lives because cops weren't around.
But if cops are the victims, or if cops were present, it's not okay to interfere and help save their lives, until all the cops are down, then it becomes legal to step in.
That is exactly how that law works. It's terrible.
But over all, it shocks me that a gun country does not have better training for their cops at shooting. I mean in a gun filled country, if you are the person keeping law and order, technically, it is their duty to be better shots than civilians or the criminals. So they can actually defend.
Greta, the cops had a description of an African American with a gun shooting cops.
Now there was already one individual misidentified as the shooter and the cops were trying to locate him, while the real shooter was somewhere else.
And no body but the shooter and cops were firing.
Now, lets look at it from what you are insisting these people should have done.
The man misidentified as the shooter is putting out rounds. There were others hit besides cops, so officer Joe sees the wrong guy putting out rounds and fires on him and kills his ass.
Remember, there were 31 people at that march with guns, counting the shooter.
There were other victims besides cops.
So, you have the cops trying to figure out who is on their side, who aint, and if there was more than one shooter involved in the attack.
So the cops do exactly what they are trained to do, neutralize the possible dangers, which means those good Samaritans who are just trying to help using their guns, and the cops have no clue they are not part of the attack.
So, now you have cops forced to make a judgement call while under fire from ONE individual but there are 29 others firing guns.
Instinct takes over, cop yells drop the weapon, friendly shooter cant hear him over the gunfire, so cop sees someone ignoring his command to drop the weapon.
Cop takes aim and there is one more black man dead. And the cycle repeats. Maybe some hear the cops, but considering how loud gunfire is, it is hard to hear someone next to you yelling in your ear, so the odds are the majority dont, and dont put their weapons down.
Now you got a lot of black Americans with bullet holes from cops guns.
Within a few hours, what started as a peaceful march with one lone gunman has become a full scale riot, so now the mayor asks the governor to call in the National Guard.
So now you have armed people with a grudge against cops, and a bunch of weekend warriors who are probably not trained in dealing with that kind of situation, many of whom probably are scared shitless because no one knows who the bad guys are and arent.
Add to that a number of combat vets from the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts who saw a lot of action in urban environments, and thanks to the underfunded VA system, have PTSD that is barely treated.
In other words, what was 5 dead and a number wounded becomes a repeat of the LA riots and worse.
I am a combat vet. I have been in urban as well as in the sticks. When you have no fucking clue as to who is going to shoot at you and who aint, well then its lock and load and pray you make the right call.
If you screw up, hey accidents happen.
A board looks over the information, and odds are if there is no evidence that you actually intended to kill someone, you walk with a note in your jacket.
So now you have people killed by the national guard.
So the riots in one city spreads to others.
All because some guys who tried to help got caught in the crossfire and died, because the cops had no fucking clue who was and was not friendly.
Sounds like a great recipe to start a very short lived civil war.
The first one was partly to end a very fucked up institution known as slavery, a civil war caused by the bullshit you are advocating would be started over a few well meaning idiots who didnt know enough not to become targets in a confused situation.
Of course, I wouldnt worry about it much, if it happened. I would take my family to my other property, hole up till it was settled and use my skills to keep folks from taking stuff from me and mine. I got enough supplies to keep my family feed for close to three years, and enough ammo to keep them nice and safe.
And since I am a warped son of a bitch, anyone coming near the place gets one warning shot, the next round if they dont get the idea to leave goes center mass.
Side note to Bama:
My "birthday present to me" fund just hit the mark for a Barret bolt action 50 or another project jeep with all parts needed to restore.
What do you think?
If I could afford a Barret I would love to have one, although I have no place to shoot that would do it justice, the longest range close to here is only a hundered yard. Kind of pointless with a Barret.
On the other hand I don't have a car, so of the two I would take the jeep.
But your situation is a lot different from mine.
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