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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 5:59:09 PM   
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Thanks for the response.

You've been to Singapore and I haven't, but I can't imagine that her incessant need for attention by repeatedly asking the same/similar questions all the time and grossly, comically, misreading one cogent answer after another, etc, is representative of her countrymen.

If another Singaporean were to arrive at this forum, I could easily imagine him/her telling Gretta to shut up and quit being a nuisance.




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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:24:54 PM   
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"All of your posts are doing more to indicate that you have zero grasp of reality."
FIFY.

I don't see things the same way you see things, is equal to "zero grasp of reality", okay.....
I live in a very different reality from you every day, for a start.


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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:33:37 PM   
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You've been to Singapore and I haven't, but I can't imagine that her incessant need for attention by repeatedly asking the same/similar questions all the time and grossly, comically, misreading one cogent answer after another, etc, is representative of her countrymen.

If another Singaporean were to arrive at this forum, I could easily imagine him/her telling Gretta to shut up and quit being a nuisance.

Singaporeans are made up of two fractions, loud minority of 30% who hates the government, will probably tell me to shut up as I am pro-current party. I like everything they have done and are doing. I call them loud minority because they make the most noise online and they worship European socialist system, thinking everything is free there and is better and prefers the opposition parties.

But every time election comes, the silent majority shows their approval by their votes.

But seriously..., why are you whining about my posts when you have an ignore feature that could spare your poor eyes from my posts? A bit masochistic to constantly subject yourself to torture of my posts isn't it?

But I reckon as to the subject of guns, there are some things all Singaporeans are unanimous about. That is guns and abortions. They may disagree with how the government has done a great job, but no Singaporean is pro-guns.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:39:25 PM   
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But, frankly when I was in Singapore a lot of what they took as normal was just beyond my kin.

Which year were you here? And what is the strangest thing about what's normal here?

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:39:28 PM   
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You've been to Singapore and I haven't, but I can't imagine that her incessant need for attention by repeatedly asking the same/similar questions all the time and grossly, comically, misreading one cogent answer after another, etc, is representative of her countrymen.

If another Singaporean were to arrive at this forum, I could easily imagine him/her telling Gretta to shut up and quit being a nuisance.

Singaporeans are made up of two fractions, loud minority of 30% who hates the government, will probably tell me to shut up as I am pro-current party. I like everything they have done and are doing. I call them loud minority because they make the most noise online and they worship European socialist system, thinking everything is free there and is better and prefers the opposition parties.

But every time election comes, the silent majority shows their approval by their votes.

But seriously..., why are you whining about my posts when you have an ignore feature that could spare your poor eyes from my posts? A bit masochistic to constantly subject yourself to torture of my posts isn't it?

But I reckon as to the subject of guns, there are some things all Singaporeans are unanimous about. That is guns and abortions. They may disagree with how the government has done a great job, but no Singaporean is pro-guns.



And they evidently dont mind being arrested and automatically considered guilty of a crime. A few other countries had that same system, lets see Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union....

Should I go on?

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:42:04 PM   
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And they evidently dont mind being arrested and automatically considered guilty of a crime. A few other countries had that same system, lets see Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union....

Should I go on?

It kept terrorism at bay so far, so I think they are doing a good job in keeping terrorists from succeeding. Each time they make these arrests, and they raid their homes, they ALWAYS find evidence of Islamic terrorism plottings. They been doing a fantastic job!
Yes, it's called an internal security act. You can be detained indefinitely, if you have any association with terrorism. Supporting ISIS or Al Queda is not considered innocent and would be seen as association already.

I prefer a government who believes in prevention, than a government who only want to deal with aftermath of deaths.

And them being soo on the ball on these arrests, puts fear into terrorist heart that it is difficult for them to try anything.

It's different in US where you can openly still voice your support for ISIS and that's okay, no crime committed. While you can happily in the safety of your homes, stock up bombs and plan your assault.

I was just thinking one of the last arrests was 20 over Bangladeshis who pledged their allegiance to ISIS, and then a month after their arrest, ISIS in Bangladesh successfully committed a terrorism act. We couldn't arrest the ones located in Bangladesh, that's up to Bangladesh to take care of it.




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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:47:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwird
"All of your posts are doing more to indicate that you have zero grasp of reality."
FIFY.

I don't see things the same way you see things, is equal to "zero grasp of reality", okay.....
I live in a very different reality from you every day, for a start.


You fail to accept facts given to you by people who know far more about certain subjects than you do. You refuse to accept that things you gladly put up with would lead to a revolution here. You refuse to accept that we don't see guns, crime, or terrorists as being a big a threat as the government intrusion you see as a good thing.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:49:49 PM   
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And they evidently dont mind being arrested and automatically considered guilty of a crime. A few other countries had that same system, lets see Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union....

Should I go on?

It kept terrorism at bay so far, so I think they are doing a good job in keeping terrorists from succeeding. Each time they make these arrests, and they raid their homes, they ALWAYS find evidence of Islamic terrorism plottings. They been doing a fantastic job!
Yes, it's called an internal security act. You can be detained indefinitely, if you have any association with terrorism. Supporting ISIS or Al Queda is not considered innocent and would be seen as association already.

I prefer a government who believes in prevention, than a government who only want to deal with aftermath of deaths.

And them being soo on the ball on these arrests, puts fear into terrorist heart that it is difficult for them to try anything.

It's different in US where you can openly still voice your support for ISIS and that's okay, no crime committed. While you can happily in the safety of your homes, stock up bombs and plan your assault.

I was just thinking one of the last arrests was 20 over Bangladeshis who pledged their allegiance to ISIS, and then a month after their arrest, ISIS in Bangladesh successfully committed a terrorism act. We couldn't arrest the ones located in Bangladesh, that's up to Bangladesh to take care of it.




So you prefer to submit to tyrany rather than be conquered by it.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:53:51 PM   
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And they evidently dont mind being arrested and automatically considered guilty of a crime. A few other countries had that same system, lets see Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union....

Should I go on?

It kept terrorism at bay so far, so I think they are doing a good job in keeping terrorists from succeeding. Each time they make these arrests, and they raid their homes, they ALWAYS find evidence of Islamic terrorism plottings. They been doing a fantastic job!
Yes, it's called an internal security act. You can be detained indefinitely, if you have any association with terrorism. Supporting ISIS or Al Queda is not considered innocent and would be seen as association already.

I prefer a government who believes in prevention, than a government who only want to deal with aftermath of deaths.






You do understand that those laws can be used to detain someone who happens to be associated with someone who supports a terrorist group but they themselves do not?

If you fail to see how laws like that can be twisted to suit the agenda of those in power, then you deserve what you get.

And as you say, these raids never fail to turn up evidence, which I find strange in and of itself. No police department is 100% right all of the time, the odds of probability are against it.

And according to my research, you can be held indefinitely until you can prove that you are not associated with a terrorist organization. You dont see an issue with that? How would you like to visit a friend, who, unknown to you, is involved with a group that support terrorism, when a raid happens.

Lets say you visit this friend frequently, and the police have a record of those visits.

By sheer circumstance you look guilty, but you are not.

Do you really want to spend an extended time in a jail cell?

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 6:57:59 PM   
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Thanks for the response.

You've been to Singapore and I haven't, but I can't imagine that her incessant need for attention by repeatedly asking the same/similar questions all the time and grossly, comically, misreading one cogent answer after another, etc, is representative of her countrymen.

If another Singaporean were to arrive at this forum, I could easily imagine him/her telling Gretta to shut up and quit being a nuisance.




I have stated many times before that I don't believe this to be a cultural issue as much as it is a matter of lacking critical thinking skills.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 7:08:46 PM   
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She clearly lacks much in the way of thinking skills at all, but her repetitiveness leads me to think there is some sort of obsessive/compulsive thing about needing constant attention and interaction, and the need for drama.

Like some three-four year old kids.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 7:12:59 PM   
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You do understand that those laws can be used to detain someone who happens to be associated with someone who supports a terrorist group but they themselves do not?

If you fail to see how laws like that can be twisted to suit the agenda of those in power, then you deserve what you get.

It's back to, we have one of the lowest corrupted government in the world. So yea, we trust them to make decisions in the country's best interest.
In today social media age, it's alot more difficult for government to detain people for nothing. Their friends and relatives will notice they are missing and go to the media, facebook, twitter, basically, it's always big news. So every time they do this, they explain why.

It's a different world now, with technology, it's harder for the government to be unaccountable.

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You dont see an issue with that? How would you like to visit a friend, who, unknown to you, is involved with a group that support terrorism, when a raid happens.
Lets say you visit this friend frequently, and the police have a record of those visits.


And they don't arrest you just because you are friends with an ISIS supporter. Being friends means it's common to hang out at their homes too. They are looking at your internet surfing patterns, tapping your conversations with people, or if you openly post your support on social media for ISIS, you're done for, for sure!
ISIS supporters are usually normal people who holds normal jobs. We have gotten lawyers, doctors, engineers, and ALL their friends will be shock when it's revealed what they supported. As they are often like just regular folks with a normal life and are friendly and well-liked. None of these potential terrorists friends get in trouble for it. They might be tapped and investigated. Which will reveal whether they are truly guilty or not.



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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 7:27:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
You do understand that those laws can be used to detain someone who happens to be associated with someone who supports a terrorist group but they themselves do not?

If you fail to see how laws like that can be twisted to suit the agenda of those in power, then you deserve what you get.

It's back to, we have one of the lowest corrupted government in the world. So yea, we trust them to make decisions in the country's best interest.
In today social media age, it's alot more difficult for government to detain people for nothing. Their friends and relatives will notice they are missing and go to the media, facebook, twitter, basically, it's always big news. So every time they do this, they explain why.

It's a different world now, with technology, it's harder for the government to be unaccountable.

quote:

You dont see an issue with that? How would you like to visit a friend, who, unknown to you, is involved with a group that support terrorism, when a raid happens.
Lets say you visit this friend frequently, and the police have a record of those visits.


And they don't arrest you just because you are friends with an ISIS supporter. Being friends means it's common to hang out at their homes too. They are looking at your internet surfing patterns, tapping your conversations with people, or if you openly post your support on social media for ISIS, you're done for, for sure!
ISIS supporters are usually normal people who holds normal jobs. We have gotten lawyers, doctors, engineers, and ALL their friends will be shock when it's revealed what they supported. As they are often like just regular folks with a normal life and are friendly and well-liked. None of these potential terrorists friends get in trouble for it. They might be tapped and investigated. Which will reveal whether they are truly guilty or not.



So you don't see a problem with the government prying into every corner of your existance?

Only the very naive have blind faith in government.



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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 7:28:48 PM   
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So you don't see a problem with the government prying into every corner of your existance?

In this terrorism age, I see it as unavoidable.
Loss of privacy for not worrying that people I love and care about will get blown up. I rather have my love ones not die. And lose a little privacy.
I see it as a necessity, especially when terrorism has evolved to lone wolves operations, so it's not structured, and can come out from anywhere and from any rash individual.

Every time a terrorist attack happens in the West, everyone is shock, and like why does this keep happening, blah blah blah. To me, it's just proves that Freedom comes with a certain unpredictable and "wilder" environment. Some people are happy to accept that risk.

So far, I am grateful we haven't gotta deal with that yet. I like feeling safe. And willing to give up some freedom for safety.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 7:31:26 PM   
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So you don't see a problem with the government prying into every corner of your existance?

Your government does it.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 8:28:55 PM   
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So you don't see a problem with the government prying into every corner of your existance?

Your government does it.

When they pry there are many who fight it.
They don't do it to anywhere near what your's does.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 8:38:18 PM   
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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 8:49:53 PM   
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So you don't see a problem with the government prying into every corner of your existance?

Your government does it.


Not as well or nearly as pervasively as google, facebook, amazon, etc, along with there being an average of fifteen different tracker scripts running on every web page (not this site, though; only one external script, very clean compared to most), tracking malware, etc. No probable cause or warrant needed.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 9:36:39 PM   
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So you don't see a problem with the government prying into every corner of your existance?

In this terrorism age, I see it as unavoidable.
Loss of privacy for not worrying that people I love and care about will get blown up. I rather have my love ones not die. And lose a little privacy.
I see it as a necessity, especially when terrorism has evolved to lone wolves operations, so it's not structured, and can come out from anywhere and from any rash individual.

Every time a terrorist attack happens in the West, everyone is shock, and like why does this keep happening, blah blah blah. To me, it's just proves that Freedom comes with a certain unpredictable and "wilder" environment. Some people are happy to accept that risk.

So far, I am grateful we haven't gotta deal with that yet. I like feeling safe. And willing to give up some freedom for safety.


Source

Drowning in a Bathtub: 1 in 685,000
Fatally Slipping during a Shower: 1 in 812,232
Being Struck by Lightning: 1 in 576,000
Being Murdered: 1 in 18,000
Dying from any kind of Injury: 1 in 1,820
Dying from intentional Self-harm: 1 in 9,380
Dying from an Assault: 1 in 16,421
Dying from a Car Accident: 1 in 18,585
Dying from any kind of Fall: 1 in 20,666
Dying from Accidental Drowning: 1 in 79,065
Dying from Exposure to Smoke, Fire, and Flames: 1 in 81,524
Dying from Forces of Nature (earthquake, heat, cold, lightning, flood): 1 in 225,107
Dying from Choking on Food: 1 in 370,035
Dying in a Fireworks Accident: 1 in 1,000,000
Dying from a Dog Bite: 1 in 700,000
Dying from Falling off a Ladder: 1 in 2,300,000
Dying form unintentional Alcohol Poisoning: 1 in 820,217
Dying from a Heart Disease: 1 in 5
Dying from a Cancer: 1 in 7
Dying from a Stroke: 1 in 23
Dying from Electrocution: 1 in 5,000
Bee, Snake Venomous Sting: 1 in 100,000
Scalded by Hot Tap Water: 1 in 5,000,000
By Falling Coconut: 1 in 250,000,000
By a Shark Attack: 1 in 300,000,000
Dying of a Snake Bite: 1 in 3,500,000
Dying from Food Poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000
Dying from Accident at Work: 1 in 43,500
Dying in a Road Accident: 1 in 8,000


Dying in a terrorist attack while on board a plane: 1 in 25,000,000
Dying in any kind of terrorist attack 1 in 9,300,000

and folks call me paranoid? But hey, gives the government a good reason to spy on citizens, detain folks without charges being filed and then convince the citizens it is for their own good.

Hey greta, I have a unicorn ranch I will sell you really cheap.

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RE: Breaking News in Dallas - 7/18/2016 9:49:48 PM   
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Just because there are many other ways that people die, doesn't mean we don't stop trying to prevent the "preventable" ways that people will die against their will.

I mean, suicide, I don't give a shit, their life, their choice.
Or personal carelessness or not taking care of their own health and disregard for their own safety. Again, their life, their choice.

But when terrorists plot to kill you, your choice of whether you want to get hurt or not is taken away from you. And terrorists is something we can do something about.

All the ways where we can prevent people from getting hurt, we will try.

I give you an example. Our trains used to be open platforms. With the big yellow line that tells you not to stand beyond that line. But people still do. I know many western countries still have open platforms. But because one 13 yr old fainted and fell into the tracks. Now they put up fences on all platforms and the response was super fast, like within 3 months of the incident, fences started being built in ALL train stations. Because it could prevent deaths or injuries like that. And worth the investment. To make sure ZERO incidences of people falling into train tracks.

We want to work on everything that is realistically preventable. Besides when terrorists plot, they are usually attacking heavily densed tourist places, clubbing places, public transport or airport. Could cause major disruption and inconvenience ALOT of people.






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