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jlf1961 -> No lives matter (7/8/2016 6:46:58 AM)

I get it, cops are more prone to shooting an African American male (according to the media) than any other male suspect.

However, these fucking shit heads shooting cops are not helping matters. Worse, the random shooting and killing of cops is making things worse.

And of course, our esteemed president and the current pair of presidential hopefuls are not helping matters, in fact, they are making things worse. We got one that wants to ban whole populations based on religion, one that is catering to the minorities, and then there is the president, the most worthless excuse for a world leader that ever sat in the white house.

While the odds are that not a single person who supports, condones, or encourages the random killing of police officers will read this is extremely low, I will point out the flawed logic in what was done in Dallas last night.

When police officers are randomly targeted in cities not directly linked to the cities where the incidents took place, the result is a heightened sense of fear among ALL police officers, which in turn leads them to react with the clear intent of self preservation.

In other words, cops across the country are going to be more prone to shoot first, shoot often and then ask the questions. It is the same as troops in a combat zone where the enemy has no clear uniform. When you have no clue as to which of the 'civilians' is friendly or unfriendly, you have tendency to over react and shoot at the first sign that something may not be right.

The result is that innocent people die.

The way things are going in this country, exacerbated by are current crop of shit head politicians, we can expect more cops killed (good and bad) resulting in more civilians killed (both good and bad) which will lead to the necessary move of martial law in some parts of the country.

Now what would make the situation better is if these idiots would stop with the "Black Lives Matter" bullshit and start with "ALL LIVES MATTER." I dont care if you are black, white, brown, red or purple with neon green polka dots, no one deserves to die for any fucking reason other than maybe being stupid and doing something that clearly warranted being killed.

But this does prove one thing, when a people do not know or remember history, they are doomed to repeat it, welcome back to the sixties.




Baldrick -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 6:48:57 AM)

I actually just saw a statistic that said cops shoot more Caucasian people than blacks.




Musicmystery -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 7:15:12 AM)

Well, since non-hispanic whites are 77% of the population, and African Americans are just over 12%, unless 6 times more whites are shot, it's still skewed toward black folk.

quote:

Mr. Moskos advised his readers to “keep all this morbidity in perspective,” reminding them that very few people, white or black, will ever be shot or killed by police.

“The odds that a black man will be shot and killed by a police officer is about 1 in 60,000. For a white man those odds are 1 in 200,000.”




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/




Kirata -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 7:26:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

welcome back to the sixties.

Hey, don't knock the sixties! Woo-hoo! Best years of my life (as well as I can remember). [:D]

K.





jlf1961 -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 8:05:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

welcome back to the sixties.

Hey, don't knock the sixties! Woo-hoo! Best years of my life (as well as I can remember). [:D]

K.





Right, the wonderful sixties, which gave us the Watts riots, Kent State massacre, the events that led up to the reign of terror on the Pine Ridge reservation, and Walter Cronkite giving the daily casualty numbers from the war in Vietnam.





markyugen -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 8:22:21 AM)

The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.

Shooting cops is not meant to bring about peace or equality. It is meant to sow terror and stir up the tensions and divisions in society in an effort to bring about a crisis situation. The best solution to this is to remain calm, weed out the bad actors, and look for solutions that don't play into the hands of authoritarians, racists and bigots.




Kirata -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 9:06:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

welcome back to the sixties.

Hey, don't knock the sixties! Woo-hoo! Best years of my life (as well as I can remember). [:D]

Right, the wonderful sixties, which gave us the Watts riots, Kent State massacre, the events that led up to the reign of terror on the Pine Ridge reservation, and Walter Cronkite giving the daily casualty numbers from the war in Vietnam.

You may think that sums up the sixties, but all it really does is show us the filter through which you view the world.

K.





Musicmystery -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 9:27:06 AM)

It's a fair quick assessment of a very troubling time in our history.

It wasn't all sexual revolution, flashy clothing and striking new music.

I still live the peace dream. But it wasn't the Age of Aquarius.

If it was only the dawning, we had thunderstorms at dawn.








Kirata -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:05:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It's a fair quick assessment of a very troubling time in our history.

It wasn't all sexual revolution, flashy clothing and striking new music.

I still live the peace dream. But it wasn't the Age of Aquarius.

If it was only the dawning, we had thunderstorms at dawn.

Well it may be "a fair quick assessment" in your opinion, but I don't consider assessments that focus on only one aspect of anything to be fair. But as my sense of humor appears to threaten this dark "no lives matter" narrative, carry on then.

K.





Musicmystery -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:09:00 AM)

I'm just saying the comparison is not unfair.

I don't think his post was meant to be a comprehensive history of the sixties.

Or of the current time.





DaddySatyr -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:36:59 AM)


Anyone (including ol' Dumbo Ears) who has ever demonized or dehumanized police officers with blanket statements has blood on their hands, today.



Michael




WhoreMods -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:44:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Anyone (including ol' Dumbo Ears) who has ever demonized or dehumanized police officers with blanket statements has blood on their hands, today.



Michael


Presumably every police officer in your country is culpable for the shootings that kicked this tantrum off as well, then? Or do you think you can have one group tarbrushed, but not the other?




DaddySatyr -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:51:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Anyone (including ol' Dumbo Ears) who has ever demonized or dehumanized police officers with blanket statements has blood on their hands, today.



Michael



Presumably every police officer in your country is culpable for the shootings that kicked this tantrum off as well, then? Or do you think you can have one group tarbrushed, but not the other?



Wow! Your reasoning powers are a bit sub-standard.

"Anyone who has ever demonized ..." is a finite group, encompassing all types of people, not just African Americans, but race baiters and jaundiced-eyed SJWs. Politicians, spouting a line to get elected. The Minn. Chapter of BLM that marched while chanting: "Pigs in a blanket ..."

So, your attempt at refutation by way of compensation falls flat. Thanks for playing, though. You're dismissed.



Michael




vincentML -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:51:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Anyone (including ol' Dumbo Ears) who has ever demonized or dehumanized police officers with blanket statements has blood on their hands, today.
Michael


Bullshit Michael. Here is the president's speech following the Dallas killings:

OBAMA ON DALLAS




WickedsDesire -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:51:59 AM)

All lives matter so we are agreed on that

Still what I see here you do not really want to know the full extent of what I see even with your words

Common denominator: Guns
Death by guns in America per annum 30 000 - 40 000 - fuk me that's a lot of deaths and nearly half a million a decade ffs. And those 5 souls, and the other one who brought matters to this conclusion.. Where do these six, a mere drop in the annual ocean of insanity, fit in.

Solution take away guns.






WhoreMods -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 10:53:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Anyone (including ol' Dumbo Ears) who has ever demonized or dehumanized police officers with blanket statements has blood on their hands, today.



Michael



Presumably every police officer in your country is culpable for the shootings that kicked this tantrum off as well, then? Or do you think you can have one group tarbrushed, but not the other?



Wow! Your reasoning powers are a bit sub-standard.

"Anyone who has ever demonized ..." is a finite group, encompassing all types of people, not just African Americans, but race baiters and jaundiced-eyed SJWs. Politicians, spouting a line to get elected. The Minn. Chapter of BLM that marched while chanting: "Pigs in a blanket ..."

So, your attempt at refutation by way of compensation falls flat. Thanks for playing, though. You're dismissed.



Michael


Right. So you've just admitted to generalising a huge collection of groups, but are unwilling to let the angry darkies do the same. Gotcha.




BamaD -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 11:06:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

welcome back to the sixties.

Hey, don't knock the sixties! Woo-hoo! Best years of my life (as well as I can remember). [:D]

K.



Worst of mine because I do remember.




BamaD -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 11:08:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: markyugen

The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.

Shooting cops is not meant to bring about peace or equality. It is meant to sow terror and stir up the tensions and divisions in society in an effort to bring about a crisis situation. The best solution to this is to remain calm, weed out the bad actors, and look for solutions that don't play into the hands of authoritarians, racists and bigots.

You are right, a cop shoots a white man and nobody cares, a cop shoots a black man and there is rioting in the streets.




Musicmystery -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 11:21:04 AM)

Since when does nobody care?





kdsub -> RE: No lives matter (7/8/2016 11:23:31 AM)

Vince DaddySatyr is absolutely right in my book... if you don't believe him why not take a drive up to Ballwin Missouri and talk to the family of the police officer shot in the neck today during a traffic stop... Maybe they could convince you he is right.

Butch




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