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Awareness -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:24:03 AM)

God that's cute. She thinks she's people!




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:26:54 AM)

Pat pat, there there, now run along and play little boy.




Musicmystery -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:29:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Baker takes order for BIRTHDAY cake.

Baker than looks up client's facebook page, and finds that she is in a same-sex marriage.

Baker then texts her canceling the cake order, citing a refusal of services to same-sex couples.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ohio-bakery-gay-couple-cake_us_577eb60ae4b01edea78d1e2a


Sounds like a baker with too much time on the hands.

And not a very good business plan.




Awareness -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:43:57 AM)

Oh please. You could not be more desperate for my attention. I think you're a fucking idiot and you STILL keep trying to get me to talk to you.

Have the good sense to be embarrassed.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:48:04 AM)

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and you STILL keep trying to get me to talk to you

Apparently it is working, as you keep responding to my posts, even when they have fuck all to do with you.

Have the good sense to be embarrassed.




Awareness -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:48:52 AM)

Shhhh. It's better when you don't speak. Just sit there and look desperate.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:50:43 AM)

LOL
see what I mean, you keep talking to me, so apparently my need is fulfilled. [:D][:D][:D]

This really is too easy, you hve such a huge ego you just can't resist.




Awareness -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:52:45 AM)

LOL!




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:53:27 AM)

And again! He just can't resist the urge, he must be fascinated by the very idea of me. Must be jealous that I get more dick than him.




Awareness -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:56:11 AM)

LOL!




Lookin4Lace -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:54:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Lookin4Lace

Alot of people dont know alot about the oriental, asian lifestyle or dare i say enough about it, she is right when she speaks of this lifestyle being kept private, she has alot riding on her anonymity, basically put she cannot ever bring disgrace to herself or her family name

Yea, in Asian culture. No matter what. Your actions reflect on your parent's upbringing. If only the only blame is yourself, then no problem. But in Asia, the shame is your entire family's. So I want to make sure the consequences of my actions are always my own and only my own and does not affect my family. The culture is different because we are always taught to sacrifice our self-interest or personal wants and needs, and always make decisions based on how will this affect your family. Family interests comes first always. Also why many Asians don't really take risks.

I mean, it's very normal for example, I asked my friend, why does he not ride a motorbike even though he really really wants to. He said, he is the only son of his family, he respects his parents wishes that he should never participate in any activity that could risk his own life in danger. So alot of things, he cannot do. It's a form of respect. I am a little more disrespectful, but I am very discreet and private. I refuse to even socialise with local bdsm community or join munches because I trust nobody. It will be seriously something my family cannot recover from, I think my dad might even commit suicide from shame.





Thats true Greta but on your freind with the want to ride a bike, as opposed to you from my understanding of the family values and the putting of the family name first, or honor if you will, the first male carries the name and the title of second elder or the commision of the household should the elder pass but in the event of the household having 2 sons of the same age and or genius of twins the one with most honor would take ownership of the estate and family within that household which can create some pretty wicked rivalries between competing sons, but women in general cannot hold titles unless under extreme circumstances and only the elder of say a village can honor that tradition "or am i mistaken in that notion" there is still alot i am unclear on, but the presumption i have is that YES a female can bring shame to a household but in general they hold very little to no power unless publically ordained or have shown to be a great provider otherwise they are normally seen as the lessor as opposed to a male that automatically is ordained as a title holderand raised as such from birth.

On a side note i applaud your openess to what you have submitted in persuing your own happiness within your kink




Lookin4Lace -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 9:58:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

And again! He just can't resist the urge, he must be fascinated by the very idea of me. Must be jealous that I get more dick than him.

Its called the "short man syndrome" they always hafta have the LAST WORD




Greta75 -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 10:38:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lookin4Lace
but the presumption i have is that YES a female can bring shame to a household but in general they hold very little to no power unless publically ordained or have shown to be a great provider otherwise they are normally seen as the lessor as opposed to a male that automatically is ordained as a title holderand raised as such from birth.

If one has a daughter who is involved in casual sex and unthinkable things like bdsm, and it became publicly known. Doesn't matter if she is worth nothing, she is still related to her family and part of the family. She still carries the family name personally. A chinese woman does not even adopt her husband's name when married. Women are generally worth nothing because their children cannot bear the family name. They have to take her husband's. But they themselves bear the family name, so they are still responsible to keeping it stain-free.
And pretty much, it would be like, they raised a "slut" really. There is nothing more shameful to especially a Chinese father. And I had a father who gave me 6pm curfews, and forbid me to interact with boys. He banned me from going out on weekends, so I can't mingle with boys. This is like even when I was 18. But because I have two wonderful brothers who covers for me, and are very loyal to me and sneaks me out and back, and would take bullets for me, I was able to have a regular fun teenage life. Being the eldest, I was able to nurture both my younger brothers to love me and basically treat women with value. They also fiercely defends me against my parents.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/13/2016 11:18:56 PM)

He's welcome to it.




NorthernGent1 -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/15/2016 12:05:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Baker takes order for BIRTHDAY cake.

Baker than looks up client's facebook page, and finds that she is in a same-sex marriage.

Baker then texts her canceling the cake order, citing a refusal of services to same-sex couples.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ohio-bakery-gay-couple-cake_us_577eb60ae4b01edea78d1e2a



I think this is a good example of the world gone mad.

It shouldn't really be unthinkable that there will be some people in this world who don't want to serve other people because they're different in some way.

But, I think it's a sign of our times that some people need to find a cause in something. Most people in the Western world are comfortable, and probably bored in the sense that such a world doesn't offer them much in the way of political causes - and so they find one that isn't really there.

The argument goes that refusing someone in a shop is only the start. But, is it? It's not state sanctioned and there are other shops to buy cakes.

You won't find a world where everyone is agreeable. Surely refusing to bake a cake for someone is hardly plumbing the depths of genocide?


greg gutfeld recently said something very similar and is in part attributing what you've described to our life of luxury. he suggested that an immigrant from Rwanda for instance would find the things we seemingly get upset about, mind boggling.



Bounty,

From talking to muslim taxi drivers they can't believe what we do to 'appease' other cultures.

It's not them driving these agendas, it's our home-grown left-wing types who are so fuckin' bored with their lives they create a cause where there isn't one.




NorthernGent1 -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/15/2016 12:09:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1
But, I think it's a sign of our times that some people need to find a cause in something. Most people in the Western world are comfortable, and probably bored in the sense that such a world doesn't offer them much in the way of political causes - and so they find one that isn't really there.

You make it sound like the woman went out looking for a cause. She didn't. She went about her daily business, ordered a cake for her wife's birthday, and left the bakery believing all was well.

The bakery owner then, for reasons that are not given in the article, chose to look up the client on the internet and discovered that she was married to a woman.

The owner then contacted her and refused service.

At which point the client went and ordered a cake at another bakery.

In this day and age, there is no way that this kind of story is not going to make the news. But no one went out needing to "find a cause". They were mistreated, with zero provocation.



Oh I agree, in this day and age this is big news.

Now, forget all of the blather about political and just moral guidance.

Boil it down to its bare bones and someone has asked for a cake and someone else has said no. Only in a world full of bored, confused people would this be news.

Meanwhile, we have little idea of what our governments are really doing in our name. Reason being, in part, we're all talking about a cake.

It's probably not even a decent cake either, too liberal with the flour - that sort of thing,




Awareness -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/15/2016 4:28:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1
Bounty,

From talking to muslim taxi drivers they can't believe what we do to 'appease' other cultures.

It's not them driving these agendas, it's our home-grown left-wing types who are so fuckin' bored with their lives they create a cause where there isn't one.
Yes, the regressive left. When they're not drinking shitty wine and blurting out their ignorant opinions about the Brexit, they're attempting to police thought and enforce cake-baking for gay people.

After all - humiliating Christians is just part of their therapy.




Termyn8or -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/16/2016 4:39:15 AM)

FR

I see two very valid points here. One is about a Muslim bakery refusing to serve Gays. Now as far as I know Christianity does not ban homosexuality, but Judaism does. However it pretty much forbids engaging in it. Some types of Muslims want nothing to do with others. So what about a Jewish bakery ? They would not refuse I think.

And then we got the Black bakery and a cake with the rebel flag on it. From what I have seen, there is no legal ban on the sale of them but many companies now refuse to sell them. They want them off of public lands but I am pretty sure you can still display one on your own property. But can they refuse to make the cake on the grounds that it offends them ?

Now that is a little bit different. If a customer wet into a Christian run bakery and ordered a cake with a depiction of a homosexual act, like a dick in a guy's mouth, can they refuse ? Or take the porn out of it, two guys kissing.

Can they refuse ?

T^T




DominantWrestler -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/16/2016 5:28:40 AM)

So Awareness, Mormons believe that people were cut off from the Lords presence and were cursed with a "skin of darkness" (Nephi 5:20-22). It's not a far leap from there to putting up "Whites Only" on store fronts. Or maybe a religion where women are allowed literature but not math, so they don't have to hire females in certain traditionally male sectors? Where does it end?




Kirata -> RE: That DAMN CAKE again-Religious Liberty or Discrimination? (7/16/2016 5:58:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler

So Awareness, Mormons believe that people were cut off from the Lords presence and were cursed with a "skin of darkness" (Nephi 5:20-22). It's not a far leap from there to putting up "Whites Only" on store fronts. Or maybe a religion where women are allowed literature but not math, so they don't have to hire females in certain traditionally male sectors? Where does it end?

I would like to see the day come when people finally realize that there is a difference between believing in God and believing in a book.

K.




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