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Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of For... - 7/12/2016 2:52:46 AM   
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One for the PC pansies.

I don't buy into that "black lives matter" crap. That crowd are just as racist as the ones they accuse of racism.

Blacks aren't really poor victims as the left makes out.
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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 2:57:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		This stats is showing that white police handle black people more roughly. Which shows the white police handles black people more unfairly.

All the more to use black cops for black people that I advocate!


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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 3:32:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		haven't read the study, and the nytimes is not going to report the methodology or all of the literature review and discussion, but that notion that "white cops treat black people more roughly" might be answered by the fact that blacks are more disproportionately criminals compared to whites.

also, given the race relations these days, they very well might be reacting to white policemen in ways that invoke that roughness.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 3:41:45 AM   
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This stats is showing that white police handle black people more roughly. Which shows the white police handles black people more unfairly.

All the more to use black cops for black people that I advocate!


How about if cops treat all people equitably?

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 3:44:42 AM   
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haven't read the study, and the nytimes is not going to report the methodology or all of the literature review and discussion, but that notion that "white cops treat black people more roughly" might be answered by the fact that blacks are more disproportionately criminals compared to whites.


Why do you think that is comrade?


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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 3:45:38 AM   
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How about if cops treat all people equitably?

When there is a racial sensitive element. Even if it was equitable. Black people will still see racism in it.
As shown in my other post. 17 yr old white boy shot 7 times by a white cop, he was unarmed and all he did was high beam the officer. No outrage from anybody. And the officer was acquitted for any wrong doing.

Imagine if this was a black kid, and he was treated the same as this white kid. It makes no difference when there is a racial sensitivity element if equal treatment was given.

There would be sooo much protest and outrage if this cop was not prosecuted IF it was a black kid. Treating them equal is no use.

Black cop for Black people is the best solution.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 4:40:46 AM   
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Actually it has yet to be tried.

When black people are getting more outrage in less worst situations, like black dude dying of heart attack for being manhandled.

This white kid was shot 7 times brutally, only 17 yr old, for just high beaming the police. That's all he did. You are telling me, black people won't go ballistic if this kid was black?

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 4:47:12 AM   
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Actually it has yet to be tried.

When black people are getting more outrage in less worst situations, like black dude dying of heart attack for being manhandled.

This white kid was shot 7 times brutally, only 17 yr old, for just high beaming the police. That's all he did. You are telling me, black people won't go ballistic if this kid was black?

Lil girl why don't you go find a grown up to read what I said and explain it to you.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 5:25:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where are the reports of the attitude toward police at the time of the shooting? Were they being threatening, etc?

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 5:35:08 AM   
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Where are the reports of the attitude toward police at the time of the shooting? Were they being threatening, etc?


??????????????

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 6:08:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		African-American I find that term racist and also the words "white" and "black" I had that debate with a school friend of mine a year or so ago.
we all originate from a singular point of origin - in essence we are all part of the one (technical two)

I see nothing wrong with that particularity study as reported, and there was not a large bias - plus 20% roughly - not perfect but not significantly skewed when you factor in the 72% whites v 12%blacks (god i hate those words). That's what he and his student, was it, found.

does anyone know the figures for death by copper and skin colour for a given year?


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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 6:31:12 AM   
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Where are the reports of the attitude toward police at the time of the shooting? Were they being threatening, etc?


??????????????


Were they threatening otr antaganistic or beligerent or doscile or what? If the suspect is threatening in some way, the officver is more likely to pull a weapon. If they are docile and cooperative, they are more likely to just move along following whatever caused the confrontation.

My personal interface with a cop, and I called them, I had a pistol in my hand. I told them I was armed when I called. I held my hands up, pistol by the barrel, and informed the officer immediately before he got out of his vehicle. He came out with pistol drawn and informed me to go inside. Made no atttempt to disarm me because he realized I was not threatening. I did have my cane in the other hand. The reason I had my pistol out was because someone had attempted to break into my home and I thought I saw a pistol in their hand thru the window. Then the attempted to steal my vehicle.

Attitude plays a great part of any confrontation.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 6:46:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am led to believe in some of your parts you can carry weapon openly - hmmm

which parts are:
1. openly
2, Concealed
3. non of the above

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 6:55:01 AM   
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I am led to believe in some of your parts you can carry weapon openly - hmmm

which parts are:
1. openly
2, Concealed
3. non of the above

I open carry when going out to shoot. My favorite target is an engineer stake. Give me an inch and a half target to shoot at. It is a pass fail situation if I hit it or not. I also open carry when going rock hunting or long walks where I believe snakes and/or Javelina (a wild bore common to this area, are suspected. One round snake shot, one round hollow point. I carry a .45 semi-automatic pistol in a shoulder holster. Lastly, I open carry, in my hand, when feel threatened in my home.

I don't conceal carry.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 7:36:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		KenDckey apologies I meant on the streets and the boom stick not tucked away.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 8:22:36 AM   
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haven't read the study, and the nytimes is not going to report the methodology or all of the literature review and discussion, but that notion that "white cops treat black people more roughly" might be answered by the fact that blacks are more disproportionately criminals compared to whites.
also, given the race relations these days, they very well might be reacting to white policemen in ways that invoke that roughness.


The NYT article goes into some detail regarding the methodology, and the study's origins. It's an interesting read.

One conspicuously absent statistic, and there's reason to believe that the data is available to them, is the classing of interactions in cases where arrests actually occurred.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 12:26:31 PM   
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KenDckey apologies I meant on the streets and the boom stick not tucked away.

no problem. The last time I open carried I was coming back from shooting. I had an old pickup that the door locks didn't work on and had 3 or 4 rifles in the back end. (My legal age grandson wis with me) I carried my pistol in, covered the rifles and we went to have lunch because it was like 90 degrees out, sunny and lunch time. We sat at the counter and I slipped my pistol under the counter so the workers could see it and we age and went home. That was like 10 years ago. lol We finished eating and went home, pistol in its holster.

I was teaching him how to shoot with some accurac. He knew how to pull a trigger. I was also teaching him how to shoot from the groin. LOL I learned years ago in the Army that one is capable of shooting there if you hold the weapon correctly. It was funny, because when she tried, the recoil from my shotgun got him. LOL Boy knew how to scream. LOL He also called me a bunch of names. LOL Boy walked funny for days. LOL

No need to appologize. I support open carry, but usually consider it unnecessary.. The question was valid.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 6:32:18 PM   
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This stats is showing that white police handle black people more roughly. Which shows the white police handles black people more unfairly.

All the more to use black cops for black people that I advocate!



There are about 39 million black people in America.
There are about 50,000 black police officers spread out in 12,000 police departments.
Maybe you can explain how that would work?
Jeez, Greta, get real.

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 6:47:09 PM   
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haven't read the study, and the nytimes is not going to report the methodology or all of the literature review and discussion, but that notion that "white cops treat black people more roughly" might be answered by the fact that blacks are more disproportionately criminals compared to whites.
also, given the race relations these days, they very well might be reacting to white policemen in ways that invoke that roughness.


The NYT article goes into some detail regarding the methodology, and the study's origins. It's an interesting read.

One conspicuously absent statistic, and there's reason to believe that the data is available to them, is the classing of interactions in cases where arrests actually occurred.


does the ny times piece give the title of the article and the journal its in?

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RE: Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of... - 7/12/2016 7:12:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44
haven't read the study, and the nytimes is not going to report the methodology or all of the literature review and discussion, but that notion that "white cops treat black people more roughly" might be answered by the fact that blacks are more disproportionately criminals compared to whites.
also, given the race relations these days, they very well might be reacting to white policemen in ways that invoke that roughness.


The NYT article goes into some detail regarding the methodology, and the study's origins. It's an interesting read.

One conspicuously absent statistic, and there's reason to believe that the data is available to them, is the classing of interactions in cases where arrests actually occurred.


does the ny times piece give the title of the article and the journal its in?



yes it does
Do you have an allergy that stops you reading it for yourself, or are you waiting for townhall/fox/ breitbart,/ newsmax? to give you your talking points
but just so you dont have to tax your poor old brain.
An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force
Roland G. Fryer, Jr
National Bureau of Economic Research,

which states
This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 you can actually download it.
But you would have known that if you had actually read the link given.
BTW before you get too disheartened, the link AND the paper make clear that more study is needed and that its not fully accurate. Maybe we should let the CDC do their thing and have accurate studies done as it IS a public health issue.
Or people like you can follow the words of tthe rudyG and keep denying the facts.


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