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Nnanji -> RE: OBAMA IS GREAT. ! (7/14/2016 9:18:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: markyugen

Nobody expected when Obama was elected president that all the racists in this country would simply lay down their arms and sing Kumbaya. Only the delusional Right was talking about a “post-racial” society, mainly in order to self-servingly erase civil rights laws and such. We always knew that Obama would be like an itch to a festering sore and sadly would make the problem of racism worse before it would ever get better. You have to see the problem to see that it is a problem, and now we can see the problem like a cockroach that’s been exposed to the light, thanks to Obama. Sadly, the infestation of racism in this country is worse than maybe even he imagined, but at least it’s now in the open where we can work to exterminate it as best we can.

Wow! Can always count on you to be an idiot.




OsideGirl -> RE: OBAMA IS GREAT. ! (7/14/2016 9:21:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I really liked the part in the speech where he said it was easier for a teenager to get a glock than it was to get a book. He is an idiot.

Yeah, and way to make a memorial service about him and his poltics rather than about the people who were killed or injured.




thompsonx -> RE: OBAMA IS GREAT. ! (7/14/2016 9:47:06 PM)


ORIGINAL: vincentML

Great presidents . . . . my short list

Washington

Jefferson (?)

Lincoln

Roosevelt (Teddy) (?)

Roosevelt, Frank

Truman

Vietnam War disqualified: Eisenhower; Kennedy: Johnson; Nixon

Native American Holocaust disqualified: Jackson

Just my [sm=2cents.gif]


Every president from washington to teddy roosevelt operated on the premis that the only good indian was a dead indian.




thompsonx -> RE: OBAMA IS GREAT. ! (7/14/2016 9:49:41 PM)


ORIGINAL: vincentML
ORIGINAL: thompsonx
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


I know, he sucks [8D]

We are still in the sandbox.
We are still in gitmo.
He said he would end that.
He did not.
That sux.



Nope. That's Republican obstructionism.

He could have done both with an executive order.




ifmaz -> RE: OBAMA IS GREAT. ! (7/15/2016 9:44:36 PM)

FR of sorts

Has anyone else watched Zero Days, the latest Alex Gibney documentary about the stuxnet virus allegedly written by the US (and Israel) to attack Iran's nuclear facilities?

Granted stuxnet started with Bush II and continued with Obama, but Bush II never claimed to have the most transparent administration ever. Interestingly Obama has cracked down on whistleblowers and has continued and expanded the NSA surveillance started under Bush II.

Anyway, Zero Days was a decent documentary as was Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief.




vincentML -> RE: OBAMA IS GREAT. ! (7/16/2016 9:45:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: vincentML
ORIGINAL: thompsonx
ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


I know, he sucks [8D]

We are still in the sandbox.
We are still in gitmo.
He said he would end that.
He did not.
That sux.



Nope. That's Republican obstructionism.

He could have done both with an executive order.



The process of trying KSM and his alleged co-conspirators has been circuitous: After his capture in 2003, he was held and tortured by the CIA at overseas black sites, eventually arriving at the detention center at Guantanamo Bay in 2006. Then came an initial military commission process, after which the Obama administration attempted to transfer the 9/11 five for trial in New York City in 2009. Facing a political backlash, they reversed course in 2011 and announced that the military commission process would be restarted.


The recent release of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s CIA “torture report” has led to questions about whether the 9/11 five’s trial process will be shortened or lengthened. KSM’s lawyer said it laid bare how much was left untold about his client’s story.

“I’m pleased that a lot more information than was available previously is now available, but also acutely aware about how much remains under wraps,” said David Nevin, the attorney for KSM.

Martins, the prosecutor, said he believes that the release of the Senate report will
actually facilitate a faster trial process, telling reporters that its publication “surely accelerated the provision of specific material to the defense that would have otherwise occurred through the discovery process,” and made previously classified material available for public discussion.

The continuous delays have frustrated some families of 9/11 victims, some of whom believe that the whole process should be scrapped. The military commission’s trial phase has yet to start, and may not begin for years.

“The military commissions set up to handle the case of KSM [and the other four co-defendants] at Guantanamo has little precedent for handling such cases and should never have been the venue chosen,” said Rita Lasar, a member of September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows. Her brother perished in the North Tower of the World Trade Center in the 9/11 attacks. “The military commission should be abandoned and the five detainees should be tried in an Article 3 court, which our Constitution provides for right here in New York City, where most of the victims, including my brother, were killed

Gordon Haberman, whose daughter was killed on 9/11, told The Daily Beast that while the proceedings appear to be “mired down,” he is ready to wait for the eventual outcome.

“While I also am frustrated by which seem to be interminable delays and wish I could hasten the proceedings forward, I realize that the defendants are guaranteed the right to a vigorous defense. This is the manner in which America conducts our system of justice,” Haberman said.

Nevin said that the delays have been in part caused by “preliminary skirmishing” over issues of discovery and detainee treatment. “Once we get to the point of being able to defend the case, then the thing can move forward,” he told the Beast.

The cancellation of this week’s proceedings also had a taxpayer cost. To faciitate the proceedings the government paid between $150,000 to$170,000 for a chartered flight between Andrews Air Force Base to Guantanamo Bay, a Pentagon spokesman said. Add to that the per diems paid for the 105 military commission personnel who attend the proceedings, which cost more than $16,000. This does not include the cost of housing press, NGOs and staff at Camp Justice, a number of expeditionary tents set up near the courtroom; nor the time and effort spent organizing the proceedings.

“I’m well aware of impatience and frustration. I’ve got to continue to do the job that I’m doing, and we will do it for as long as it takes,” said Martins, the government prosecutor. “There’s not a chance we’re going to lose interest in this, or this is going to go away until the law has been complied with.”


Often times things are more complicated than they appear.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/17/prosecutors-have-no-idea-when-9-11-mastermind-s-trial-will-start.html




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