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DaddySatyr -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 12:57:46 AM)
Fast Response, not to any particular post: I wanted to take a little time to try to let my anger diminish some. Fat chance of that, I guess. I was going to type this in word and then kind of go through and edit it. Fuck that, too! I have always felt something of a kinship with the French. They (finally) risked a great deal to come to the aid of a bunch of rag-tag "rabble" that had decided to throw off the yolk of empirical servitude - even after the same colonists had fought with the British in the French and Indian War. I understand their "hatred" of America, vís-à-vís America's lethargic pace to come to their aid during the NAZI occupation. French is my primary secondary language (blame the military for that) and my favorite of all the languages I speak. The Bohemian lifestyle that so engenders the romanticized version of French life appeals to me on quite a few levels. All of that is to say that I've always been a bit of a Francophile. So, on the day when they celebrate their independence, when a scumbag (or scumbags) takes it upon himself (or: upon themselves) to take a truck and plow into a crowd of innocent men, women, and children, I have to try and think about the normal questions of a journalist - with a huge accent on some of them: "*Who* ?" "What?" "Where?" "When?" "*How* ?" "*Why* ?" and "*Where do we go from here* ?". Who: Obviously, a scumbag or scumbags to whom life means absolutely nothing. Let's get real, here: this attack carries many trademarks of an ISIS attack. Just for the purpose of something I'll be covering later-on: Let's recognize that ISIS is an off-shoot of Al Qaeda. The dead scumbag that was driving the truck is a Tunisian-born French citizen who lived in Nice. To be brutally honest: who he was, as an individual, doesn't matter all that much to me, right now. With whom he associated while he was live, does. If this attack was ordered, inspired, or aided by ISIS, it will be the third "major" horrific attack in France in a little over 18 months (?). How: I think it is important to note that while there appears to be a weapon involved (with, reportedly a bunch more in the back of the truck), handguns, "assault" weapons, and explosives were an after-thought for this scumbag. The main tactic was to use something not generally seen as a weapon to do as much damage as possible, as quickly as possible. I say that because there will be those (mostly Pablum©-pukers) who will insist that guns are the issue. It's not. As we've seen time and time, again: it's violence and sadism. I'm not going to be as ridiculous as to call for "Automobile control" as long as the PPLs promise not to try to blame an innocuous item that isn't the *cause* of these many attacks. Why: Now, we come to the main course of the issue! Some partisans will blame the U.S. Government (under Pres. Reagan) for financing, arming, and training Al Qaeda, back in the 80s, when they were "the enemy of our enemy", the U.S.S.R. Quite honestly: that's a valid argument, but I don't think that's where it started. I am all-too aware of the dangers of our government "throwing in" with scumbags, on a very personal and sad level. Some will say that Islam is not "a religion of peace". That's also a reasonable statement, if one has ever read the Qu'ron (I have, although I read an English translation). I will go further: I have been saying - on this website and in other places - that any group that preaches violence is *not* a religion, for many years. Some blame the Camp David Accords under Pres. Carter, citing the attacks on American soil on the anniversary of those accords. While some people will dismiss this as a 'conspiracy theory", I think it bears some weight if only because shit like that is important to Jihadi scumbags. Many years ago, while running a previous incarnation of my website, I received an e-mail of a speech that was made by Capt. Daniel Ouimette. Obviously, I was reticent about the e-mail because the last name of the purported author is pronounced: "We met". Before I commented on this speech, I did what any good journalist does: I did some research. I tracked down Capt. Ouimette and spoke with him on the phone. I interviewed him, briefly. He was still active-duty, at the time so his answers were somewhat reserved. I obtained his permission to use the speech on the proviso that I use the original text (which he sent me). I believe he nailed it. His main thrust was the history of our relationship with Jihadi scumbags since 1948, the year that the Allied Powers (but mostly the U.S.) helped to establish Israel. I don't want this to be taken as "Michael's laying this at the feet the Jews". That's not the case. I believe that Jewish people needed a homeland since they'd been kicked out (or killed out) of just about any country in which they had sought refuge. I don't want to adjudicate that portion of history, here. I was not alive and I am not sure if there was another viable option. I just don't know. That said, I try to imagine myself, a (relatively) young Arabic farmer, living in what is now Israel, being pushed off of my land and the only way of life I've ever known and, when I complain, I am told: "Shut up. Your plight doesn't matter". That would piss me off, a little bit. None of that is meant to excuse the behavior of the Jihadi scumbags. Also part of the "Why?" question has got to be America's response to the escalation of violence. By-and-large - certainly since 11 September, 2001 - there has been little-to-none. Oh, sure. We went into Afghanistan (with not enough planning, as far as I am concerned). We used Osama Bin Asshole as one of our excuses to go into Iraq. We went into both places without a real exit strategy, but the lack of that strategy is due to a lack of over-all military strategy. Which brings us to ... Where do we go from here: Well, the first good step would be to acknowledge that there is a large number of Muslims who - at least passively - condone this behavior. Quite possibly, it's just that "little shiver" of "Well,-they-*are* -infidels,-after-all" mentality. Instead of the bullshit rhetoric of "only a small portion of Muslims support this kind of behavior", we need to recognize that if they are not part of the solution, they're part of the problem. That will require action; not bloviating. I mentioned our military strategy. For far too long, our soldiers, marines, sailors, and airman have been peace-keepers instead of instruments of war. War is what a military force is for. It is their raison d'etre. At the very minimum, war was declared on us in 2001. Even if you wish to ignore the "official" declaration, have we not "casus belli"? Locally (I'm an American): Our congress needs to declare war and to remove the shackles from our fighting troops. "Rules of engagement"? My Irish ass! Here's your rules of engagement: "There's the enemy. Go and wipe them out!". Globally: We need to reach out to every country on the globe and let them know that if they're not with us, we won't be with them. Iran the biggest state sponsor of terror? Bullshit, while Saudi Arabia still exists. Anyway, we need to tell them that if they don't sign on to wipe out the Jihad, we will abrogate free-trade agreements, we will cease any and all financial aid (including "humanitarian" aid), and we will hold them accountable (on some level) for each and every attack that occurs after their refusal to sign on. The chin music that ISIS doesn't pose an existential threat to any free nation on the planet is complete, utter, undiluted bullshit and must cease to be a part of the conversation. I already expressed my sorrow on another thread, but let me add, here: Nous sommes avec vous, France. Dieu vous bénisse! Michael

Termyn8or -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 1:18:11 AM)
"I understand their "hatred" of America, vís-à-vís America's lethargic pace to come to their aid during the NAZI occupation. " Really. They are lucky they weren't "inducted" into the Soviet Union. T^T

Greta75 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 1:20:15 AM)
FR I was looking at the video. But the one I saw was the vehicle moving quite slow, but non stop gun shots and people screaming and running! So I guess it's more like a shooting killing than a mowing down killing. And the fact that the inside of the vehicle was filled with explosive devices. Man, good thing these are lousy terrorists! They got the gear, but barely did anything. Could have end up being worst.

Termyn8or -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 1:32:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Awareness Anyone want to take bets on whether the perpetrators are Islamic? Why would someone do such a thing? Because their prophet Mohammed tells them to kill. I keep explaining to you people - Islam has murder built into the very core of the religion. And still you don't listen. Actually, the Q'uran expressly forbids terrorism, sneak attacks, killing of innocents (women, children, old or infirm) or wounded combatants unable to continue to fight. The Prophet expressly forbids forcing anyone to convert to Islam. The simple truth is that you, like most westerners, have no clue as to what the Quran tells its followers to do, who can and cannot declare war under Islam, and fail to face the simple fact that terrorists are in direct violation of the laws of Islam and the words of the prophet. Kind of like those fanatic Christains that murder abortion doctors, fire bomb Mosques, etc. Basically they are all going to hell, which was probably a surprise to all of those stupid fools who let some shit brained Iman like Bin Laden do their thinking for them. Little accepted but historic fact, when the Moors occupied Spain, they paid for the construction of a number of the big old cathedrals in that country, and the Spanish didnt kick em out because they were killing Christians and Jews, the Spanish kicked em out to get all the freaking gold the Moors had stockpiled in their castles. The claims by 99% of Muslims that Islam is a religion of peace is true, just like Christ told his followers to turn the other cheek. It is religious leaders on a power trip that pervert the religions into something that promotes terrorism. In other words, dont let some right wing shit for brains preacher or talking head do your thinking for you. Yet, we find in the Hadith: Hadith 1:13-- "I have been ordered by Allah to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah." Hadith 1.24 "Narrated Ibn `Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers" Hadith 1.25"Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." Hadith 19:4294 "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war." Hadith 1:35 "The person who participates in Allah's cause (namely, in battle). . will be recompensed by Allah either with reward or booty or will be admitted to Paradise." Hadith 9:4 "Wherever you find infidels kill them; for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection." Hadith 9:50, 57 "No Umma (a member of Muslim community) should be killed for killing a Kafir (an infidel). . Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Sahih Muslim 4363: "You (the Jews) should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle and I wish to expel you from this land (Arabia) Sahih Muslim 4366 Narrated by Umar ibn al-Khattab. Umar heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims Sounds like this Hadith character was just as nuts as Leviticus. Sahih not so much, wanted to expel them. Bear in mind also that Mosaic law only applies to Jews. They were allowed to kill, steal from, covet, whatever, anyone else. And what about this day of resurrection shit ? That is Jesus, I thought nobody had the right to be worshipped but Allah and Mohammed. A guy who gives you eternal life doesn't count ? Even in the "christian" Bible really, there is so much contradiction you might as well just throw it out and try to start over. Get some teenagers some drugs, maybe shrooms or something and let them write the new one. Then throw it out. T^T

Greta75 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 1:36:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And what about this day of resurrection shit ? That is Jesus, I thought nobody had the right to be worshipped but Allah and Mohammed. A guy who gives you eternal life doesn't count ? I thought Christians believe that Jesus is God in Human Form? Muslims cannot worship Jesus or Muhammed anyway, both are prophets. In Malaysia, it is quite funny, that they prosecuting Christians in that country who print bibles or have Christian messages or banners, referring to the Christian God as Allah! Saying they misleading the Muslim people. But ya know, it's not an English speaking country, and Allah means God, even in the Malay language. That's why they do it, but the Muslims insist on exclusive use of that word lol.

PeonForHer -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 1:40:42 AM)
quote: And the fact that the inside of the vehicle was filled with explosive devices. I've been reading reports saying that the devices were all dummies. Unconfirmed - and baffling if true - but there we are.

Lucylastic -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 2:03:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: And the fact that the inside of the vehicle was filled with explosive devices. I've been reading reports saying that the devices were all dummies. Unconfirmed - and baffling if true - but there we are. Just read that on BBC Peon Inside the vehicle they found papers that apparently identified him as a Franco-Tunisian or a man of Tunisian origin who lived in Nice. He had been in trouble with the police in the past for petty crime, but he was not on the watch list of radicalised young men. Anyone who has a "fiche S" in France is seen as a threat to state security. The majority of attacks carried out in France since January 2015 have been staged by men designated with a "fiche S", and also linked to so-called Islamic State (IS). Although witnesses initially thought the killer had lost control of the lorry, it soon became clear he was acting deliberately. "I even had time to see the driver's face. He had a beard and appeared to be having fun," one man said. According to iTele news, police were searching the lorry driver's home in Nice According to one report the killer had hired the lorry in recent days, and there were suggestions that the papers found in the vehicle may have been the rental documents. News channel iTele said his identity card had been discovered and police were searching his home in Nice. Another report said his driver's licence, credit card and mobile phone were picked up inside the lorry. Although the attacker had a pistol, all the other weapons found in the lorry turned out to be fake, which raises questions about the extent of support he had from jihadist groups. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36801763

Blank101 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 2:18:05 AM)
quote: jlf1961 As for the body count of errant Christians, how about 12 million since "Christian" Spaniards landed in the Americas? Or an estimated 5 million since 1776? Christian Americans have eradicated whole tribes of Native Americans in the name of progress. Or how about the largest mass shooting in American History, 1890, a place called Wounded Knee? Or "Christian" President Andrew Jackson defying the supreme court and sending 10's of thousands to the Indian Territory? Who cares if 70% were buried along the trail of tears. Sand Creek Colorado, Colorado Militia led by a Christian Preacher attacked the camp of Black Kettle, a chief at peace with the US, hell he flew an American flag in front of his lodge. Christians cut the breasts off dead woman and the scrotums off dead braves to make tobacco pouches. Oh, and lets not forget Christian Militias in Lebanon shelling Muslim women and children leaving red cross food distribution centers. Got to see that first hand, and of course the US state department refusing to allow American "peacekeepers" to do a damn thing to stop it. Oh, and lets not forget half a million Iraqi civilians dead due to US bombings and shelling of Iraq. And most of the dead in the middle east can be indirectly linked to "Christian" western countries breaking up the Ottoman Empire after WW1 and then drawing lines on a map putting people together who have been killing each other for religious and ethnic reasons for 2000 years. Compared to the ENTIRE history of the religion of Islam, Christians have a 1000 to one lead on the body count. Americans and Europeans wonder why we are the target of terrorist attacks? Hell since 1918 the west has screwed up more in the Middle east than anywhere else in the world. We eliminated the one power that was keeping Islam extremists in check, first promising them independence so they would fight for the British, then instead of that, we broke up the region and created every problem the region has faced. Sunni and Shia have been fighting and killing each other because they cant agree on who the rightful successor to the Prophet was, so hey, lets put em inside borders, in this region we give that side a numerical advantage, over there we give it to the other side. Then, instead of listening to the Jews and Palestinians on partitioning the holy land, once more we draw lines that aint gonna make any one happy and start a new war. They have every reason to hate the western countries. But if you really want to hear the truth, listen to what Maajid Nawaz has said about Islamic terrorism. He is a half way reputable source, considering he was radicalized as teenager living in the UK and joined Hizb ut-Tahrir, precursor to Al Qaeda. Granted listen to his detractors and they say he is full of it, but the truth is he did spend four years in an Egyptian prison convicted on terrorism related charges. Oh, and as for my own opinions, having worked with Muslims, have Muslim friends, including one Imam, and the fact that more Imams condemn the acts of terrorists than support or praise it, either you have 1.5 billion Muslims lieing through their teeth out of 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, or you have just over a million who are disobeying the basic tenants of the faith. FYI, if ALL Muslims were terrorists, we would be speaking Arabic by now, considering that few armies on the planet could stop that many people trying to kill non Muslims. Its pretty pleasant to see someone with some logical thinking around here. Nice post.

Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 2:43:08 AM)
Sad face. Horrific. Whoever and whatever is causing such hate and rage is turning into a worldwide problem.

Blank101 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 2:51:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67 Sad face. Horrific. Whoever and whatever is causing such hate and rage is turning into a worldwide problem. I dread the day the world unites and takes drastic measures to combat radical Islam.

Lucylastic -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 3:00:43 AM)
Unca Newties got a plan Newt Gingrich Says We Should ‘Test Every Person’ Of Muslim Descent Hours after the French attack, he said the U.S. should deport Sharia followers. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a short-list finalist to be Donald Trump’s vice presidential running mate, said Thursday that Muslim-Americans should be “tested” and deported if they “believe in Sharia” law. “Western civilization is in a war,” Gingrich told Fox News’ Sean Hannity, hours after a truck mowed down French Bastille Day celebrants in Nice, killing at least 80. “We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background, and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported. Sharia is incompatible with Western civilization.” No terror group has claimed responsibility for what French authorities have called an attack. French President Francois Hollande described the massacre as having “terrorist character.” Gingrich’s comments echoed those of presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, who has called for a ban of Muslims from entering the U.S. Trump walked back his proposal in recent weeks. Even Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, said to be Trump’s leading choice for vice president, seems to think it’s a bad idea. Gingrich said on Fox News that he would welcome “modern Muslims” who had given up Sharia, the legal system based on Islam, and would be “perfectly happy to have them next door.” “But we need to be fairly relentless about defining who our enemies are,” he said. “Anybody who goes on a website favoring ISIS, or al Qaeda, or other terrorist groups, that should be a felony, and they should go to jail. “If we can’t destroy them through the internet, we should destroy them with kinetic power, using various weapons starting with Predators, and frankly just killing them.” Hannity asked how the government could be certain if someone coming to America from a country that practices Sharia could “really want” a new life. “Monitor the mosques,” Gingrich said. “I mean, if you’re not prepared to monitor the mosque, this whole thing is a joke,” Gingrich said. “We’re like sheep wondering why the wolves keep killing us. These people are opposed to our way of life. They are opposed to our value system. They are opposed to our various religions. They’re opposed to the whole concept of freedom, and they’re very honest about it.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/newt-gingrich-test-muslim-americans_us_57885da6e4b08608d333f2a3?section= http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/newt-gingrich-hannity-interview/ oh and the full video on youtube from hannitys show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNtGGFJOmYs

bondageerone -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 3:40:55 AM)
84 DEAD and you say it could have been worse, what a moron, greta.

bondageerone -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 3:42:02 AM)
cinn... it has been a worldwide problem since before I was born. xx

jlf1961 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:51:56 AM)
Tunisia was, at one point, under French rule, and to be quite blunt, the French colonial government committed atrocities throughout all of their African colonies that make most of the crap ISIS pulls look tame. North Africans, for the most part, will not be happy until the citizens of France experience the same they had under French rule.

Kirata -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:56:44 AM)
~ FR ~ For anyone interested, live news streams.... Sky News France 24 K.

jlf1961 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:47:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 The most evil Religion in the world, is just so successful in being as close to Nazis and the definition of pure evil, as they could be, but inspire the love and support of people who are against racism, for religious freedom and freedom of sexual orientation and also equal treatment of women. That is the most amazing feat of Islam. While they happily continue to keep killing in their own countries, subjugate women, gays, and minorities, everything that the people in the west who love and support them do not believe in. It's like, how is Donald Trump the greater evil than Islam? This world is twilight zone. You know, Satanism as a religion is even more peaceful than Islam come to think of it. What do Satanist do? Eye for an Eye. Everyone for themselves. But they do not bother people who don't bother them. Greta, do you even study history, or more to the point, have you ever read a history book? For that matter, have you actually ever read the Q'uran (you know, the book that the entire Muslim faith is based on?) There are 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, and to follow your logic (as well as every other Islamphobic individual) all Muslims are terrorists out to kill non Muslims. With that many people bent on murder, either we would all be dead or speaking Arabic. For the record the Islamic faith has had a number of leaders who have perverted the words of the prophet to suit their agenda (kind of like some recent christian leaders, Jim Jones and David Karesh are just two examples) and a good example of this is Muhammad Ahmad, or the Mad Mahdi. He proclaimed himself the Muslim Messiah. However, if you really want to educate yourself on Islam (this goes for all other Islamaphobic people who let someone think for them) you might do some research into just what these radical Muslim leaders are teaching. For example, a common belief for most is Wahhabism/Salafism, and most (about 99% of Muslim terrorists are Sunni Muslims.) So do some research

Awareness -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 7:31:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Qur’an 6:151 “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.” “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8] Quran 5:69 “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.” "Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them." [Quran 22: 39] "And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." [Quran 2:190-192] “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.” 2:190 “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.” 5:69 “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” All early verses, all overridden by later verses. Their esteemed prophet was something of a compulsive revisionist who abandoned whatever principles he'd dreamed up whenever it was convenient. Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” - Basically, conquer and kill until Jews and Christians pay the Muslims the Jizya (protection money). Of course, then there's the classic sword verse which is the underlying justification for Islam's mission of "conquer, convert or kill" - it is the very foundation of Islamic Jihad. Quran (9:5) When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. The hadith contain plenty of references to Muhammed's blood-lust. Tabari 7:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a Jew who was a friend and business partner of one of Muhammed's followers. He'd said some things against Mohammed, so the esteemed prophet, scion of a supposed "religion of peace" had him murdered by his Islamic friend. quote: As for the body count of errant Christians, how about 12 million since "Christian" Spaniards landed in the Americas? Or an estimated 5 million since 1776? Christian Americans have eradicated whole tribes of Native Americans in the name of progress. People conquer all the time. None of those events were about Christianity, they were all about expansion of nations. quote: Or how about the largest mass shooting in American History, 1890, a place called Wounded Knee? Or "Christian" President Andrew Jackson defying the supreme court and sending 10's of thousands to the Indian Territory? Who cares if 70% were buried along the trail of tears. Sand Creek Colorado, Colorado Militia led by a Christian Preacher attacked the camp of Black Kettle, a chief at peace with the US, hell he flew an American flag in front of his lodge. Christians cut the breasts off dead woman and the scrotums off dead braves to make tobacco pouches. Oh, and lets not forget Christian Militias in Lebanon shelling Muslim women and children leaving red cross food distribution centers. Got to see that first hand, and of course the US state department refusing to allow American "peacekeepers" to do a damn thing to stop it. Oh, and lets not forget half a million Iraqi civilians dead due to US bombings and shelling of Iraq. Statistically insignificant. And I think you'll find that it's the Islamic nutbags who use women and children as human shields, fire rockets from behind them, then try and claim victim when their fire is returned. Come on Jeff, even you are smarter than this. quote: And most of the dead in the middle east can be indirectly linked to "Christian" western countries breaking up the Ottoman Empire after WW1 and then drawing lines on a map putting people together who have been killing each other for religious and ethnic reasons for 2000 years. Wrong! quote: Compared to the ENTIRE history of the religion of Islam, Christians have a 1000 to one lead on the body count. That's just stupid Jeff and you clearly have no fucking idea. The Islamic body count is roughly 270 million. https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/ Your contention that Christians have killed 270 billion people is a measure of your own stupidity. Christianity does not have a "conquer or kill" mandate. The central figure of Christianity specifically states "Love your enemies and pray for those who hurt you". Attempting to claim Christianity is remotely similar to the violent imperialism of Islam is a monumental lie. quote: Americans and Europeans wonder why we are the target of terrorist attacks? Hell since 1918 the west has screwed up more in the Middle east than anywhere else in the world. We eliminated the one power that was keeping Islam extremists in check, first promising them independence so they would fight for the British, then instead of that, we broke up the region and created every problem the region has faced. Sunni and Shia have been fighting and killing each other because they cant agree on who the rightful successor to the Prophet was, so hey, lets put em inside borders, in this region we give that side a numerical advantage, over there we give it to the other side. Then, instead of listening to the Jews and Palestinians on partitioning the holy land, once more we draw lines that aint gonna make any one happy and start a new war. They have every reason to hate the western countries. Bollocks. The UN announced a two-state solution in 1948 and Arabs began to murder their Jewish neighbours en masse. Based on AN ANNOUNCEMENT. If that doesn't give you a clear idea of Islam's willingness to kill, then nothing will. quote: But if you really want to hear the truth, listen to what Maajid Nawaz has said about Islamic terrorism. He is a half way reputable source, considering he was radicalized as teenager living in the UK and joined Hizb ut-Tahrir, precursor to Al Qaeda. Granted listen to his detractors and they say he is full of it, but the truth is he did spend four years in an Egyptian prison convicted on terrorism related charges. Dude, I'm well aware of Maajid Nawaz. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And Faisal Saeed Al Mutar. And a number of other critics of Islam, many from inside the faith who point to the actual faith itself as the foundational problem with Islam. quote: Oh, and as for my own opinions, having worked with Muslims, have Muslim friends, including one Imam, and the fact that more Imams condemn the acts of terrorists than support or praise it, either you have 1.5 billion Muslims lieing through their teeth out of 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet, or you have just over a million who are disobeying the basic tenants of the faith. No, what you have are 1.5 billion Muslims who aren't particularly commited and prefer to let someone else do the heavy lifting - but a large number of them support the establishment of Sharia Law, the criminalisation of homosexuality and don't feel strongly enough about Islamic terrorism to actually oppose it. quote: FYI, if ALL Muslims were terrorists, we would be speaking Arabic by now, considering that few armies on the planet could stop that many people trying to kill non Muslims. Having Islamic faith is like possessing a gun. It doesn't guarantee you'll kill people but it does make you more dangerous to be around - because you're more likely to hurt someone than if you didn't possess either of those things.

Awareness -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 7:39:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer ... And yet, later today, I'll go down to my newsagent, who is a Muslim,to pick up my paper, and he'll be as shocked as I am. And I'm betting he'll be extra-nice to me, just like he was after Charlie Hebdo. This will give me a twinge of the sad, and I'll be extra-nice to him back. He can't be bothered to get involved with all this evil horseshit, and I can't be bothered to return it either. Yes, because Islamic terrorists don't have normal jobs. And because they're not sophisticated like us Westerners, they're incapable of hiding their emotions or pretending to like people when they actually don't. And even though statistics tells us that if he did know someone who was a Jihadist, there's a 2 in 3 chance he wouldn't bother telling the police, he's Islamic and he doesn't have a sign on his shop which says "Terrorists supported within", so he must be decent sort. It's truly fascinating to watch idiot leftists exhibit the racism of low expectations.

Musicmystery -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 7:43:05 AM)
lol You've been swallowing your own shit for so long you don't even know when your face is brown.

Awareness -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 7:46:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Sounds like this Hadith character was just as nuts as Leviticus. Sahih not so much, wanted to expel them. The Levitical laws were part of God's established covenant with the Jews. Those laws never applied to anyone except the Jews and they were largely made redundant by the New Testament. The hadith are various reports about the life and sayings of Muhammed. There's a bunch of them and the Sunni and Shia denominations have been murdering each other for over a thousand years about WHICH collections of hadith are the right ones. As I keep saying. Murder is a foundational aspect of Islam which is built into the very core of the religion. quote: Bear in mind also that Mosaic law only applies to Jews. They were allowed to kill, steal from, covet, whatever, anyone else. No, that's not true. The Ten Commandments do not contain footnotes saying "unless they're not a Jew".

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