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PeonForHer -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:29:40 PM)

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Actually peon I was being sarcastic.
I was unaware that France really does have problems with people using lorry's as weapons.
I doubt that stricter checks on lorry drivers, would stop those intent on creating mass destruction.


Myself, I could imagine jumping out of my skin at too sudden a move from a lorry after that. One of the first things I thought on hearing the news from Nice was of Duel, Stephen Spielberg's first ever film - a lorry, being driven by a psychopath. I would have more and stricter tests on drivers; locking systems on lorries so they can't easily be stolen (assuming they haven't got them already) ....

This particular atrocity looked just too damned easy.




Greta75 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:30:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Because it is people spouting your type of islamaphobic bullshit that fuels their ability to recruit new members.

When I was growing up as a teenager, I remembered the enemy was Christianity, and many people were pretty much, criticizing and attacking christians, quoting lots of old testament, and basically, it was cool to vilify Christianity.

Never once did this cause a huge uprising of Angry Christians around the world to start plotting their own terrorists attacks.

So try again. If a religion is really peaceful, they wouldn't inspire violence from criticism of their religion. But would have "turn the other cheek" and simply let their actions prove they aren't violent. The fact that Islam is a religion that encourages revenge culture. Exactly what Satanism does.

I can never understand how it's even considered peaceful.






Awareness -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:32:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Because it is people spouting your type of islamaphobic bullshit that fuels their ability to recruit new members.

When I was growing up as a teenager, I remembered the enemy was Christianity, and many people were pretty much, criticizing and attacking christians, quoting lots of old testament, and basically, it was cool to vilify Christianity.

Never once did this cause a huge uprising of Angry Christians around the world to start plotting their own terrorists attacks.
Oh, I've got this one. That would be because Christianity doesn't tell its followers to murder people.

Islam on the other hand, tells its followers to murder people.

Thus the reason why Islamic terrorist attacks outnumber Christian terrorist attacks by a thousand to 1.




Greta75 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:41:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Greta, the discussion was not about sharia law, but about Islam being a religion of war and terror.

Sharia law is part of the tenets of Islam. So I don't know why you want to differentiate both things. Sharia law is the definition of terror to me. The thought of it ever being instilled without being micro-managed by civil government in my country, scares the fuck out of me. Sharia law means women who gets themselves rape gets stoned to death. IF that is not terror, I don't know what it is.

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However, you, who has constantly advocated the death penalty for crimes using a gun, even those that do not result in injury or death are not the one to talk about sharia law or any other legal system.

The use of a weapon to cause harm to others is an evil act. That person should be killed. We don't need people who intentionally want to harm others in this world.
But the act of a woman getting raped is not a crime, she didn't commit the crime. Sharia is about punishing the innocent.

To me, someone who used a gun with the intention of harming others IS not an innocent. AFter all, IF gun guys truly believe gun don't kill people, only people kill people, then all the more people misusing guns should be heavily prosecuted.

My goal of believing in such strict consequences, is to make sure, the only reason anybody should have any use for a gun, is for good purposes and not use it as a malicious weapon to intimidate, threaten or bully.

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The death penalty has repeatedly been proven to not deter anyone from committing a capital crime. The various ways of actually putting someone to death is barbaric, and that includes lethal injection, which basically suffocates the individual (not a pleasant way to die.)

Death penalty clearly worked perfectly in my country. All types of crimes that has death penalty are pretty much one of the lowest in the world. For example, death penalty in my country for using a gun for the purpose of committing a crime. Almost ZERO % gun related crimes. It works. I think USA chooses the two craziest ways to put people to death. Lethal injection or Electric Chair. I mean, if they give a shit about human death, why can't they put people to sleep like people who volunteers euthanizing themselves? Those were humane ways to die. In my country, we chose the cheapest method. Hang. They aren't worth spending expensive taxpayers money on stupid shit like electric chairs or expensive lethal injection serum that actually cost more than housing them for life in prison!





epiphiny43 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:50:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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As you say this issue won't go away, but ask yourselves a question: when it was the IRA it was supported in the US - how widely supported only you people could say - why was it fine for the IRA until you yourselves were on the receiving end.
Right, America was supporting the IRA!


Not to even touch the thread topic, but it's well established that all through the Troubles, the IRA financial backing (And most of their efforts at soliciting any) came from American Irish. It's easier to kick over a few dollars now and then if you don't know any of the people being blown apart by bombs? Much the same earlier during the Revolution period, Separatists sought money where people had any, and by far the greater population emotionally engaged existed. If people can't distinguish between "America" and the private actions of members of one of the largest immigrant communities the US has ever seen . . .
Now, back to just how much we all want to live under Sharia. Which, oddly enough, produced maybe the most peaceful and crime absent empire yet seen under Suleiman/Kanuni. Other than a few wars of political conquest on the borders . . .
Maybe the secret is to save a Lot of cash we are spending on the military, and give every kid living a smart phone, and let Pokemon No subvert their whole next generation of terrorists. Probably cost less than a single year's maintenance for One of our 4 Carrier Groups.




Greta75 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 5:58:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
And looking at the Geopolitical map, far more Muslim countries do not have sharia law or have voted to have it removed in the last 50 years than those countries instituting it as the legal system.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
This research disagrees with you.
And since Malaysia is 10 minutes away from me and I am constantly inside that country, I am totally certain that 86% of Muslims want sharia law is accurate. Currently, they have sharia laws for certain things, like religious police can go patrol parks and hotels and jail couples who do not have marriage certificate holding hands or being in the same bed room together.

But for cases like rape, they are using civil law to judge and not sharia law.

But currently in Malaysia, they are in very huge danger as strong movement to fully instill sharia law is going on.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/outrage-in-multi-ethnic/2824516.html

https://www.facebook.com/save.malaysia.no.hudud/

But the big question is, IF Islam was so peaceful, why the hell are people so fearful of Sharia laws, which are Islamic laws. Does not make sense.

I tell ya, I will be more than happy for my country instill "Buddhism laws" according to the teachings of Buddha. But I shiver at the thought of my country ever fully instilling "Islamic Laws" according to the teachings of Muhammad.






Awareness -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:01:42 PM)

Do you go shopping in Malaysia?




Greta75 -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:06:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Do you go shopping in Malaysia?


I usually go Malaysia because, we have no space for nature in Singapore and all natural forests are forbidden for entry, they claim people go in and damage the eco system or whatever. I love their natural beautiful raw untouched nature and mountains and waterfalls. Malaysia also have some of the most beautiful, Maldives quality beaches and water. It's a beautiful country for what is naturally there. I spend almost every weekend in Malaysia, swimming in waterfalls. Not much of a shopping person. I would never go anywhere just for shopping.




Awareness -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:13:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Do you go shopping in Malaysia?


I usually go Malaysia because, we have no space for nature in Singapore and all natural forests are forbidden for entry, they claim people go in and damage the eco system or whatever. I love their natural beautiful raw untouched nature and mountains and waterfalls. Malaysia also have some of the most beautiful, Maldives quality beaches and water. It's a beautiful country for what is naturally there.

I knew a girl in Singapore who worked at Tan Tock Seng. From memory she used to shop in Malaysia and there were a lot of service staff - maids and the like - who used to cross from Malaysia to Singapore every morning for work and every evening to get back home.

Interesting society.




Marini -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:18:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Actually peon I was being sarcastic.
I was unaware that France really does have problems with people using lorry's as weapons.
I doubt that stricter checks on lorry drivers, would stop those intent on creating mass destruction.


Myself, I could imagine jumping out of my skin at too sudden a move from a lorry after that. One of the first things I thought on hearing the news from Nice was of Duel, Stephen Spielberg's first ever film - a lorry, being driven by a psychopath. I would have more and stricter tests on drivers; locking systems on lorries so they can't easily be stolen (assuming they haven't got them already) ....

This particular atrocity looked just too damned easy.


Hummm, I enjoy Stephen King movies, I have not seen Duel.
Can't say that I want to see it now.
Stricter tests on lorry drivers might stop that avenue of mass destruction.
I often ask the question, are we are heading towards more of a police state, in which we lose even more freedom?
It seems like life continues to get harder for working joe citizen, when such actions are taken.
{Take airport security for example}

What is the answer to these ever increasing acts of terrorism?
To say we are facing a conundrum that has to be faced, is an understatement.





Marini -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:24:19 PM)

We are living in a new era, where acts of terrorism are now world wide.
We seem to be living in an unprecedented age of global terrorism.
I have been on this earth 50 years, and I know a fair amount of history, though I will never be or claim to be a historian.

People have been fighting in the Middle East for thousands of years, it's always been a fact of life.
The acts of terrorism we have been witnessing outside of the Middle East, the last 15 years or so, is bringing this to all of our front yards.
It is no longer, what is going on----> over there.

What is going on now, changes everything for all of us.
Dare I say, permanently?
Peace





thishereboi -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:36:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

It's NOT the religion/ideology/person...it's the truck.

http://www.infowars.com/media-blames-truck-not-terrorists-or-islam-for-nice-attack/

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Of course, it's the truck!
Let's now make everyone that wants to buy or drive a truck, go through an extensive background check.
Why not just ban all trucks?


You want to ban them all or just the automatics?




Marini -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 6:51:57 PM)

lol
Kisses thb, oh just ban every damn thing.
Make all the citizens fill out 30 forms and show an ID to cross the street.
Like making life increasingly harder for 80 and 90 year old senior citizens to catch a damn plane, in their own country.
They are a real threat, right?
Especially the ones in wheelchairs and on oxygen, we really need to watch them.







BamaD -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 7:43:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Actually peon I was being sarcastic.
I was unaware that France really does have problems with people using lorry's as weapons.
I doubt that stricter checks on lorry drivers, would stop those intent on creating mass destruction.


Myself, I could imagine jumping out of my skin at too sudden a move from a lorry after that. One of the first things I thought on hearing the news from Nice was of Duel, Stephen Spielberg's first ever film - a lorry, being driven by a psychopath. I would have more and stricter tests on drivers; locking systems on lorries so they can't easily be stolen (assuming they haven't got them already) ....

This particular atrocity looked just too damned easy.

You are showing the reaction they are looking for.
The more things that make you jumpy the better.
If you live in fear of everything then you eventually will agree to whatever "accomidation" they offer. At least that is the core therory of terrorism.




BamaD -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 7:47:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Actually peon I was being sarcastic.
I was unaware that France really does have problems with people using lorry's as weapons.
I doubt that stricter checks on lorry drivers, would stop those intent on creating mass destruction.


Myself, I could imagine jumping out of my skin at too sudden a move from a lorry after that. One of the first things I thought on hearing the news from Nice was of Duel, Stephen Spielberg's first ever film - a lorry, being driven by a psychopath. I would have more and stricter tests on drivers; locking systems on lorries so they can't easily be stolen (assuming they haven't got them already) ....

This particular atrocity looked just too damned easy.


Hummm, I enjoy Stephen King movies, I have not seen Duel.
Can't say that I want to see it now.
Stricter tests on lorry drivers might stop that avenue of mass destruction.
I often ask the question, are we are heading towards more of a police state, in which we lose even more freedom?
It seems like life continues to get harder for working joe citizen, when such actions are taken.
{Take airport security for example}

What is the answer to these ever increasing acts of terrorism?
To say we are facing a conundrum that has to be faced, is an understatement.



It was Spielberg, not King, stared Dennis Weaver.




BamaD -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 7:50:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

lol
Kisses thb, oh just ban every damn thing.
Make all the citizens fill out 30 forms and show an ID to cross the street.
Like making life increasingly harder for 80 and 90 year old senior citizens to catch a damn plane, in their own country.
They are a real threat, right?
Especially the ones in wheelchairs and on oxygen, we really need to watch them.





Many of us have long railed against the stupid way all of the watch lists are constructed and used.




thompsonx -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 8:28:18 PM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75

When I was growing up as a teenager, I remembered the enemy was Christianity, and many people were pretty much, criticizing and attacking christians, quoting lots of old testament, and basically, it was cool to vilify Christianity.

Never once did this cause a huge uprising of Angry Christians around the world to start plotting their own terrorists attacks.


Not only can you not do sums you are totally ignorant of the history of christian terrorism...or is it that you are just igoring it timmy? It has been going on for a couple of thousand years.
Buddhist in viet nam were just one of their victimsn in the ner recent past.







thompsonx -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 8:32:36 PM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75

We don't need people who intentionally want to harm others in this world.


You have threatened to harm me so perhaps you will do us all a favor, follow your own advice and stop breathing up our air?




thompsonx -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/15/2016 8:38:32 PM)


ORIGINAL: Awareness

Oh, I've got this one. That would be because Christianity doesn't tell its followers to murder people.


Maybe you could tell us the origin of the phrase "kill them all let god sort them out?





PeonForHer -> RE: Bastille Day Killings (7/16/2016 12:38:33 AM)

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You are showing the reaction they are looking for.
The more things that make you jumpy the better.
If you live in fear of everything then you eventually will agree to whatever "accomidation" they offer. At least that is the core therory of terrorism.


If you live in outright fear, yes, I'd agree. But being wary and having an eye to things like this kicking off - that's just sensible.




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