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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Believe it or not the US is not their biggest part of their market. Europe, India, they buy more. Middle east, not so much.

They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things. Think they don't know that ? So keep fucking with them and watch them get a whole lot more belligerent to us.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
What's more, I doubt that there is much international law established about the whole issue of creating an island. So the whole premise for an attack is on very shaky ground in the first place.

Yes there is - and still disputed. It is more or less all about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano_Islands_Act

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) there is no meaningful (enforceable) international law

2) China is big. And powerful.

3) she's gonna wanna have dominance over her own waters (as she sees them) in her corner of the world (imagine China owned Cuba . . .)

4) while the US can rightfully say it dominants the seas, ships fuel and manpower cost money, and dedicating resources somewhere takes them from elsewhere.

Anything from there happens within that context.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Believe it or not the US is not their biggest part of their market. Europe, India, they buy more. Middle east, not so much.

They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things. Think they don't know that ? So keep fucking with them and watch them get a whole lot more belligerent to us.

T^T

Not according to Wiki, (CIA World Fact book) as least in so far as trade but just don't know how that differs from IM/EX numbers.

Trade #1 $521 billion. Japan #2 at $312 billion.

Im/Ex Euro #1 $567+, US #2 $446+ total. both in a big minus.

HERE numbers are 3-5 years old.

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things.

Nonsense. The US is more than capable of spinning up factories to make whatever we need almost at will. We don't only because it's simply cheaper to buy most things elsewhere. The moment that were to change, we'd start retooling.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) there is no meaningful (enforceable) international law

2) China is big. And powerful.

3) she's gonna wanna have dominance over her own waters (as she sees them) in her corner of the world (imagine China owned Cuba . . .)

4) while the US can rightfully say it dominants the seas, ships fuel and manpower cost money, and dedicating resources somewhere takes them from elsewhere.

Anything from there happens within that context.

There is actually quite a bit of international law regarding territorial waters and shipping that all nations adhere to, including China.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things.

Nonsense. The US is more than capable of spinning up factories to make whatever we need almost at will. We don't only because it's simply cheaper to buy most things elsewhere. The moment that were to change, we'd start retooling.

Fucking try it. I have been in business and very involved with other business and I can tell you why the US loses business. The environment is extremely unfriendly to business. Ad even if it was we do not have the skilled workers, even able to read a fucking tape measure !

When the economy collapses we will be sinking toward third world status until there is real education. And people get a real work ethic. I have been in business and involved as much more than a worker for a long time. I can tell you IT IS NOT COMING BACK. The people we have with the skills are in their fucking 60s and 70s. I KNOW THIS, it is not bullshit.

We build cars, OK, they are stamped out on what amounts to a big punch press and then welded by machine. We don't even have welders. The skills involved now are to screw in the tailights and dome light and shit like that. The engines and trannies, ALL CNC. And that includes all but a small part of the assembly process as well.

The people they need now are those who understand that process, and they only need one of them when they used to need ten. And the engineers make it so they don't even have to look at a print. So you could have a factory with 100 people making minimum wage and like three knowing what they're doing.

Certain processes do not work well that way.

Anyway, when I say we do not have the means to recover, that does not mean we cannot buy lathes and milling machines or punch presses. What I mean is we lack workers who are educated to respect the machine and not get their hands cut off n shit, and actually WORK. This country is full of slackerds. So remember about industry coming back, it is not just the government, it is the people.

If I ever start a business here all my employees will be here on an H1B visa. How does that grab ya ? Know why ? Because I am not bullshit, I do not run politics at the shop nor allow it. You are here to work, work. You don't like that guy I suggest you don't talk to him, because you might get fired. Know how hard it is to get a job these days boy ?

"If you do not like it get the fuck out, I got over 200 resumes' in the filing cabinet. And I throw them all out every month. "

This is what gives business power.

Now in China, the government is doing them a favor by limiting reproduction. There are too many people. They want you to just have one, but I think two might be acceptable, don't know. But beyond that, they should be penalized. What's more it is easier to raise less kids. And they burden the infrastructure less.

If anyone fucking around here thinks China is stupid, then splain to me how come we owe them money. We put a Man on the moon, but they do all these things we can't ? Or they can do them cheaper ?

How come Germany isn't bitching about this ?

They got good schools and skills. We used to have that.

And now, going to war with countries like China that can outproduce us without breaking a sweat, and their ally Russia that can design better jets, missiles and submarines than us look good to you ?

Start up a new business and get back to me.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) there is no meaningful (enforceable) international law

2) China is big. And powerful.

3) she's gonna wanna have dominance over her own waters (as she sees them) in her corner of the world (imagine China owned Cuba . . .)

4) while the US can rightfully say it dominants the seas, ships fuel and manpower cost money, and dedicating resources somewhere takes them from elsewhere.

Anything from there happens within that context.

There is actually quite a bit of international law regarding territorial waters and shipping that all nations adhere to, including China.

But not islandbuilding.

T^T

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things.

Nonsense. The US is more than capable of spinning up factories to make whatever we need almost at will. We don't only because it's simply cheaper to buy most things elsewhere. The moment that were to change, we'd start retooling.

Fucking try it. I have been in business and very involved with other business and I can tell you why the US loses business. The environment is extremely unfriendly to business. Ad even if it was we do not have the skilled workers, even able to read a fucking tape measure !

When the economy collapses we will be sinking toward third world status until there is real education. And people get a real work ethic. I have been in business and involved as much more than a worker for a long time. I can tell you IT IS NOT COMING BACK. The people we have with the skills are in their fucking 60s and 70s. I KNOW THIS, it is not bullshit.

We build cars, OK, they are stamped out on what amounts to a big punch press and then welded by machine. We don't even have welders. The skills involved now are to screw in the tailights and dome light and shit like that. The engines and trannies, ALL CNC. And that includes all but a small part of the assembly process as well.

The people they need now are those who understand that process, and they only need one of them when they used to need ten. And the engineers make it so they don't even have to look at a print. So you could have a factory with 100 people making minimum wage and like three knowing what they're doing.

Certain processes do not work well that way.

Anyway, when I say we do not have the means to recover, that does not mean we cannot buy lathes and milling machines or punch presses. What I mean is we lack workers who are educated to respect the machine and not get their hands cut off n shit, and actually WORK. This country is full of slackerds. So remember about industry coming back, it is not just the government, it is the people.

If I ever start a business here all my employees will be here on an H1B visa. How does that grab ya ? Know why ? Because I am not bullshit, I do not run politics at the shop nor allow it. You are here to work, work. You don't like that guy I suggest you don't talk to him, because you might get fired. Know how hard it is to get a job these days boy ?

"If you do not like it get the fuck out, I got over 200 resumes' in the filing cabinet. And I throw them all out every month. "

This is what gives business power.

Now in China, the government is doing them a favor by limiting reproduction. There are too many people. They want you to just have one, but I think two might be acceptable, don't know. But beyond that, they should be penalized. What's more it is easier to raise less kids. And they burden the infrastructure less.

If anyone fucking around here thinks China is stupid, then splain to me how come we owe them money. We put a Man on the moon, but they do all these things we can't ? Or they can do them cheaper ?

How come Germany isn't bitching about this ?

They got good schools and skills. We used to have that.

And now, going to war with countries like China that can outproduce us without breaking a sweat, and their ally Russia that can design better jets, missiles and submarines than us look good to you ?

Start up a new business and get back to me.

T^T

I have a few differences with your comments even if, generally, I agree. First, years and years ago I used to work out with a guy who worked on an auto line. He was bitching because for years he'd operated four welding machines himself. The whole shift he had to hustle between them to keep up with the line. At that time he was bitching because the union now was forcing the plant to hire one person per welder. He said the kids coming in were all bitching that keeping up with the line on one welder was just too much. That was my generation. We did okay, albeit I'll admit half of the generation were whiny little punks. But, those people were just easy to advance beyond. Similarly, there are a few in the current generation that are not whiny little metrosexuals. It'll just, by natural selection, develop a new hierarchy.

If you think it's bad here, look at places in Europe were it's impossible, literally, to fire someone once you give them a job. I recently read where one country there, I've forgotten which, is trying to pass a law that you can fire a person up until the age of 25 or 30 because so many kids were coming into the work place and just sleeping on the job with no recourse to the company. So much for social liberalism. Yet, if that's the compition, we aren't that far down the ol' socialist/liberal rabbit hole yet and we can at least kick that butt.

The Chinese ever only strictly enforced the one child policy on the peasants in the countryside. But now, because everyone wanted sons, so many potential daughters were being aborted until the mom's got pregnant with sons, that they are calling that generation the little princes. So a generation of sons with no potential for finding a wife will probably have to go to war to kill a lot off. In the mean time the little princes are being so pampered they are turning into just what we have here.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things.

Nonsense. The US is more than capable of spinning up factories to make whatever we need almost at will. We don't only because it's simply cheaper to buy most things elsewhere. The moment that were to change, we'd start retooling.

Fucking try it. I have been in business and very involved with other business and I can tell you why the US loses business. The environment is extremely unfriendly to business. Ad even if it was we do not have the skilled workers, even able to read a fucking tape measure !

When the economy collapses we will be sinking toward third world status until there is real education. And people get a real work ethic. I have been in business and involved as much more than a worker for a long time. I can tell you IT IS NOT COMING BACK. The people we have with the skills are in their fucking 60s and 70s. I KNOW THIS, it is not bullshit.

We build cars, OK, they are stamped out on what amounts to a big punch press and then welded by machine. We don't even have welders. The skills involved now are to screw in the tailights and dome light and shit like that. The engines and trannies, ALL CNC. And that includes all but a small part of the assembly process as well.

The people they need now are those who understand that process, and they only need one of them when they used to need ten. And the engineers make it so they don't even have to look at a print. So you could have a factory with 100 people making minimum wage and like three knowing what they're doing.

Certain processes do not work well that way.

Anyway, when I say we do not have the means to recover, that does not mean we cannot buy lathes and milling machines or punch presses. What I mean is we lack workers who are educated to respect the machine and not get their hands cut off n shit, and actually WORK. This country is full of slackerds. So remember about industry coming back, it is not just the government, it is the people.

If I ever start a business here all my employees will be here on an H1B visa. How does that grab ya ? Know why ? Because I am not bullshit, I do not run politics at the shop nor allow it. You are here to work, work. You don't like that guy I suggest you don't talk to him, because you might get fired. Know how hard it is to get a job these days boy ?

"If you do not like it get the fuck out, I got over 200 resumes' in the filing cabinet. And I throw them all out every month. "

This is what gives business power.

Now in China, the government is doing them a favor by limiting reproduction. There are too many people. They want you to just have one, but I think two might be acceptable, don't know. But beyond that, they should be penalized. What's more it is easier to raise less kids. And they burden the infrastructure less.

If anyone fucking around here thinks China is stupid, then splain to me how come we owe them money. We put a Man on the moon, but they do all these things we can't ? Or they can do them cheaper ?

How come Germany isn't bitching about this ?

They got good schools and skills. We used to have that.

And now, going to war with countries like China that can outproduce us without breaking a sweat, and their ally Russia that can design better jets, missiles and submarines than us look good to you ?

Start up a new business and get back to me.

T^T

I have a few differences with your comments even if, generally, I agree. First, years and years ago I used to work out with a guy who worked on an auto line. He was bitching because for years he'd operated four welding machines himself. The whole shift he had to hustle between them to keep up with the line. At that time he was bitching because the union now was forcing the plant to hire one person per welder. He said the kids coming in were all bitching that keeping up with the line on one welder was just too much. That was my generation. We did okay, albeit I'll admit half of the generation were whiny little punks. But, those people were just easy to advance beyond. Similarly, there are a few in the current generation that are not whiny little metrosexuals. It'll just, by natural selection, develop a new hierarchy.

If you think it's bad here, look at places in Europe were it's impossible, literally, to fire someone once you give them a job. I recently read where one country there, I've forgotten which, is trying to pass a law that you can fire a person up until the age of 25 or 30 because so many kids were coming into the work place and just sleeping on the job with no recourse to the company. So much for social liberalism. Yet, if that's the compition, we aren't that far down the ol' socialist/liberal rabbit hole yet and we can at least kick that butt.

The Chinese ever only strictly enforced the one child policy on the peasants in the countryside. But now, because everyone wanted sons, so many potential daughters were being aborted until the mom's got pregnant with sons, that they are calling that generation the little princes. So a generation of sons with no potential for finding a wife will probably have to go to war to kill a lot off. In the mean time the little princes are being so pampered they are turning into just what we have here.

Let me get this straight, he was bitching because of too much workload and then bitching because the help they got him was worth shit. Right ?

Sounds about right.

This country is in even more trouble than that. When the manufacturing moved to Japan and China and whatever, at least the stuff was designed here. Now the schools cannot put out good engineers. They got 80 year old guys doing it. What happens when they die ? We're fucking done.

i have known/know people who do this stuff, manufacturing and engineering. They are all saying it is hard to get competent people. One is 68 years old and they can't get enough of him.

Anyway, when I was young I might say ATTACK ATTACK, but I have changed. I was very proactive in solving problems, but now I just refuse to care because caring doesn't work. Get this population down to a reasonable level and I would consider trying. In other words, let them have their war. And I hope they lose. Fucking half trillion a year for goddamn nothing. Never once defended this country successfully. Not once.

T^T

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In China, the head of their equivalent of the FDA took a bribe and seven people died. THEY EXECUTED HIM. Here, they give you a bonus.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Who are you going to use them on?

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Roflmfao...china does not cary spare parts of the f 15 the f 16 or the f 35.

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Perhaps that is why the tax rate is what it is in that third world shithole called sigapore.

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You have failed to tell us which part of that third world shit hole called singapore can seceed ?Why are you being so stingy?

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Believe it or not the US is not their biggest part of their market. Europe, India, they buy more. Middle east, not so much.

They can get along just fine without us, but the opposite is not true because we have lost the ability to manufacture many things. Think they don't know that ? So keep fucking with them and watch them get a whole lot more belligerent to us.

T^T

Not according to Wiki, (CIA World Fact book) as least in so far as trade but just don't know how that differs from IM/EX numbers.

Trade #1 $521 billion. Japan #2 at $312 billion.

Im/Ex Euro #1 $567+, US #2 $446+ total. both in a big minus.

HERE numbers are 3-5 years old.

You did not prove your point. However, there is another factor afoot. The Chinese see Moody's rating and they got figures on US debt. That includes consumer debt. They are not stupid people. They know the US economy is falling for real, not the propped up numbers that stupid US economists tell you. They know about quantitative easing and they know when a country does that they are in trouble. They are not Keynsians, they know real math.

Losing the US market will cost them of course, but not everything. But there is another factor, they KNOW they are losing this market because we simply won't have any money. They can look up on the internet and find out the trade deficit every day. They have common sense and know it is unsustainable.

They also know, other than our penny ante export of wheat, the only moneymaker is weapons. That means we can only keep making money when there is war. They do not want war. They want some expansion, like that island n shit, but they are not like the radical Muslims we created that actually WANT war with the west.

They don't want to waste the money on shit like that.

T^T