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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/16/2016 11:49:29 AM

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/16/2016 6:00:00 PM

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Here is Robert Fisk's interesting take on the coup in Turkey:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45121.htm

Fisk puts Turkey into the ever growing ranks of failed States in the post-Sykes-Picot arrangements in the ME. And warns that there will be more coup attempts in the future.

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/18/2016 3:15:39 AM

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I'm surprised there isn't any discussion on this topic. The 'failed coup' in Turkey is deeply concerning for the stability of the ME, and will have a significant impact in Europe and the Western world.

The fallout has been swift and we're seeing a purge of anyone who is remotely against Erdogan's regime. 2500+ judges were removed within hours of Erdogan's forces retaking the government. Prior to the coup, countless high ranking, pro-military, members were improsined on bogus charges. Thousands more are being imprisoned now.

Hell, many of the soldiers thought they were conducting some sort of training exercise. They refused to fire on citizens when they took to the streets, and sadly many of the soldiers paid for it with their lives when they were barbarically beaten or murdered by angry mobs. This is not how coups are conducted. Nothing went right.

The other day I watched a clip from a documentary the moment Saddam seized power in Iraq by purging Iraq's government cabinet on live television. The clip was chilling to watch. We may very well be witnessing another dictator come to power in a country who is a vital NATO ally.

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/18/2016 3:23:24 AM

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Turkey is a democratic state right? People voted for the Party. Military disagree with that decision.

What is there to talk about?

The Military who were involved in the Coup were doing something illegal and against democracy.

Are we suppose to feel sorry for their failure and now them being in deep trouble for it?

I doubled check. Current PM was democratically elected by the people of Turkey! Or at least his Party is.

If his doing a bad job, then vote for someone else in the next election. They do have an election every five years. Coup is not the way.

And although this current guy is trying to Islamise Turkey away from it's secular condition, but it just shows that a Muslim country votes for what they want. They want a hardline Muslim PM. They got what they voted for.

It is in my opinion, that democracy in Muslim countries, usually result in, them voting for a leader who will instill Sharia elements, rather than a moderate one. But it's what they want.

PS: Every country's political system is sooo damn different, so it's confusing whether it's a President or PM in charge. So he was a PM and then a President now. IF Turkey democracy is anything like my country, the President is just ceremonial and have no power as THIS DUDE should be! How the hell did he become more powerful than his Prime Minister! So much corruption! I thought he was a PM, because their President is suppose to be ceremonial and technically should not have the extent of power he has right now.

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/18/2016 8:38:31 AM

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I'm surprised there isn't any discussion on this topic. The 'failed coup' in Turkey is deeply concerning for the stability of the ME, and will have a significant impact in Europe and the Western world.

The fallout has been swift and we're seeing a purge of anyone who is remotely against Erdogan's regime. 2500+ judges were removed within hours of Erdogan's forces retaking the government. Prior to the coup, countless high ranking, pro-military, members were improsined on bogus charges. Thousands more are being imprisoned now.

Hell, many of the soldiers thought they were conducting some sort of training exercise. They refused to fire on citizens when they took to the streets, and sadly many of the soldiers paid for it with their lives when they were barbarically beaten or murdered by angry mobs. This is not how coups are conducted. Nothing went right.

The other day I watched a clip from a documentary the moment Saddam seized power in Iraq by purging Iraq's government cabinet on live television. The clip was chilling to watch. We may very well be witnessing another dictator come to power in a country who is a vital NATO ally.

These are rather US-centric boards as you may have noticed.

Events in Turkey are deeply concerning. Erdogan's meglomania is going to be unleashed with minimal democratic restraints keeping him in some kind of check. There are real fears about the future of the democratic opposition in Turkey. Already the press is muzzled and as you note thousands are being arrested.

It beggars belief that thousands could have been part of the coup conspiracy without it coming to the attention of the authorities. Reportedly many Turks believe that Erdogan was forewarned about the coup but chose to let it proceed and fail, calculating that he would use this to increase his powers.

These events will have great ramifications for the region, as Turkey was one of the anti-Assad oppositions main backers in Syria. I'm sure that the Kurds are shaking in their boots as it will probably mean an escalation of Erdogan's war against them. Who knows what effects these events will have on a region that is already one of the world's most unstable and violent?

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/19/2016 2:52:09 AM

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I'm afraid were going to significant rammifications in the coming months.

http://www.dw.com/en/turkeys-post-coup-purge-reaches-20000/a-19408795
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-pm-suspends-annual-leave-for-over-three-million-civil-servants-a7142921.html

I feel sorry for the people of Turkey, whether they're pro or anti Erdogan. The people are being stripped of their democracy.

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/19/2016 3:18:08 AM

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The problem is, the military had a failed assassination of the President, they bombed a building that they thought he was in, so now the President is all pissed off and all hell fury on prosecuting ALL that were supporting this coup.

This will not end well. What a volatile timing for the Military to decide to do a coup!

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/19/2016 6:00:51 AM

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Perhaps Amernia wishes Mount Ararat back. or is it Göbekli Tepe. And I think the moon belonga to America on account of the flag thingy and don't get me started on the british, or the spanish and the rest.

Control! - is that the same as power?. By whom and why who knows what do I know about Turkey other than it is probably about due the big one, perhaps Lisbon, or cascadia(now you are a worry), or sans frans- bit of a tidler tha one. But we are not here for jigsaw lessons.

Probably a secular thingy. if not surely it was Hilary fault whoremods

I should probably try read up on this stuff but apathy is fuking marvellous weapon. Simply ask the many.

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/20/2016 6:52:51 AM

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https://m.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4tq4sd/all_turkish_academics_banned_from_traveling/

And it continues. A dictatorship will cause some serious cause for concern for the US.

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/20/2016 6:57:38 AM

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https://m.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4tq4sd/all_turkish_academics_banned_from_traveling/

And it continues. A dictatorship will cause some serious cause for concern for the US.

Anyway, the President of Turkey is so mad that the bridge with US is burnt already. Since they want US to hand over his suspected instigator of the coup. And US may not do so. He has already threatened US. Sucks to be John Kerry right now.

Bye bye to one Muslim Ally in the fight against Assad.

How will Obama handle this!

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/20/2016 10:21:52 AM

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More than 50,000 people detained or dismissed from the military, jobs in the civil service and teaching posts in schools and universities, as of about 6 hours ago: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36842073

The fact that the purge is happening in such great numbers, and so quickly, makes it clear that lists of enemies of the state had already been created.

The 2 things that have me concerned is that the Erdogan supporters shown tend to be the black robe crowd, and the question of what or who will take up the slack created by wiping out large portions of the public service. 15,000 teaching staff are gone, and 9,000 cops have been sacked. Who is going to teach the kids? Who will be keeping law and order? Will the Islamists step up to fill the gaps?

It's plainly a political purge of Erdogan's opponents that has reached Stalinesque proportions. There is no way that a military coup would have involved so many civilians. And yet, 'diplomats' are speaking with guarded tongues and few voices are raised in condemnation of such an anti-democratic development.

If the reports of 50xB61 (340 kiloton) nukes at Incirlik is correct it might be time for America to think about relocating them!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/erdogans-purge-may-give-nato-no-choice-but-to-expel-turkey-from/

I'm not sure Obama will want to act, but if Trump gets elected in November ...

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/20/2016 10:26:22 AM

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quote:

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https://m.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4tq4sd/all_turkish_academics_banned_from_traveling/

And it continues. A dictatorship will cause some serious cause for concern for the US.

Anyway, the President of Turkey is so mad that the bridge with US is burnt already. Since they want US to hand over his suspected instigator of the coup. And US may not do so. He has already threatened US. Sucks to be John Kerry right now.

Bye bye to one Muslim Ally in the fight against Assad.

How will Obama handle this!

To date Turkey has been more abou fighting Kurds than ISIS or ASSAD. No loss there.

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RE: Military Coup in Turkey - 7/20/2016 10:36:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Blank101

https://m.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4tq4sd/all_turkish_academics_banned_from_traveling/

And it continues. A dictatorship will cause some serious cause for concern for the US.

Anyway, the President of Turkey is so mad that the bridge with US is burnt already. Since they want US to hand over his suspected instigator of the coup. And US may not do so. He has already threatened US. Sucks to be John Kerry right now.

Bye bye to one Muslim Ally in the fight against Assad.

How will Obama handle this!

To date Turkey has been more abou fighting Kurds than ISIS or ASSAD. No loss there.

That isn't how you spell "exterminating", Ron.

I think the ascension of the Kurds as a minority who need protecting, rather than people the western world could ignore being killed off by the other heathen locals, has come as a real shock to the US State department, our own foreign office, and most of the rest of the G8 club's diplomatic ministries, hasn't it?

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