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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:45:17 AM

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Our version of FBI, would have knocked on his door and put him behind bars until his proven to be innocent of plotting terrorism.

While I think the FBI did a lousy job, we do have a bedrock priciple of law of innocent until proven guilty, sounds like you have guilty untill proven innocent.
That certainly fits with your judgement on cops.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:46:16 AM

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It's different at a sobriety check point.

Except, every time there is a road block by police, I always assume it's just a sobriety check point. But they may be profiling and looking for someone. Maybe a terrorist. They don't tell you it's a sobriety check point or what they are looking for.

Because sometimes, I see passengers being pulled out from their cabs too. And I don't know why. Drunk passengers shouldn't get in trouble technically. And the police don't usually answer any questions I ask. They kinda dodge it.

indiscriminate search and seizure is a violation of the 4th.

It is Singapore, not the US.

this board really needs the country listed by the name so we know where the hell these people are coming from instead of having to guess or track which country they are quoting law or procedure from.

Good idea!

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:49:06 AM

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Back to Baton Rouge, one of the cops is black! Black people killing Black cops now! I think Black Lives Matter need to start standing up for Black Cops!
I think it's quite a nightmare now that, civilians are targeting cops.
It's such a sensitive war to handle.

But Black Lives Matters need to talk about protecting Black Cops Lives too! That's for sure!

And I was ridiculed for saying that cop haters hate black cops as much as they do white cops. Dallas was notable because it was only white cops were killed.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:49:13 AM

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In an already gun-filled country, more guns might be the solution. But the real solution is to have no guns, zero guns.

So we can dispence with your protests that you aren't advocating a total gun ban.

I know that total gun ban, IF a country is able to successfully do it, will result in a safer America, with less deaths and less crimes. Also help law enforcement to be more effective. Police killing people will also slowly become non-existence when they are no longer dealing with criminals with guns. When they are the only ones with guns and they aren't fighting criminals with guns. They will also automatically stop using their guns as the primary weapon to deal with their criminals.

But I am also a realist that US can't ban guns until they secure their border. So solution for now, is more guns. IF the bad guys have guns, the good guys NEED guns too. That's just the way it is for the situation it is now.

We managed to go from guns-filled gangsta society in the 60's to zero guns successfully because we are a tiny island and we are tiny, so our borders are easy to secure.

I know a gun-free world is a better world. But to make it happen is a challenge for such a big country.

So for now, I am more focus on fixing the border control than banning guns for the US.

But at the same time, I don't agree with the denial that gun-free world is a safer world. A world free from guns, where bad guys and good civilians both can't have guns. The feeling is different.

I can't even imagine the stress of having to have a gun to defend myself because bad guys have gun.

I have a friend who lived 5 years in texas, and he said he got robbed 4 times, all at gun point. 3 times at his door going home. One time at a traffic junction where he stopped his car for the red light. And I was thinking, so what if he actually had a gun to defend himself? Then what? He'll actually have to start having a shoot out with the robber. Gawd! So if he had a gun, they would both point guns at each other and see who shoot first? Gawd! Awful!

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:53:37 AM

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Back to Baton Rouge, one of the cops is black! Black people killing Black cops now! I think Black Lives Matter need to start standing up for Black Cops!
I think it's quite a nightmare now that, civilians are targeting cops.
It's such a sensitive war to handle.

But Black Lives Matters need to talk about protecting Black Cops Lives too! That's for sure!

You don't know that Black cops are less likely to hesitate to shoot a black person than a white cops do you?

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:56:04 AM

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The way I see it, the 4th amendment was worded in a way where it makes it difficult for law enforcement to do their job, IF it's practiced to it's strictest interpretation.

Gosh, US got so much red tape!

It's difficult to keep people safe in the US.

And it protects us from things telling us where we have ro live based on race.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:57:13 AM

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And I was ridiculed for saying that cop haters hate black cops as much as they do white cops. Dallas was notable because it was only white cops were killed.

I hope BLM mourns for the death of this black cop as much as they been mourning of the death of those other black dudes killed by cops.
Otherwise, clearly...., they aren't about "black lives" AT ALL.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 4:58:49 AM

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Regular licensed crazy person is an oxymoron.

Why? I mean, he could have a perfect record. No criminal records, cold, calculated killer. He may even seem completely normal. And people have a good impression of him.
Not all crazies are mental institution crazy. Some crazies are very controlled and know how to blend in and be accepted by society.

A crazy is, by definition, not a regular person.
No only that but, even if you didn't mean it this way, you were implying that most ccw holders are crazy.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:00:55 AM

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And I was ridiculed for saying that cop haters hate black cops as much as they do white cops. Dallas was notable because it was only white cops were killed.

I hope BLM mourns for the death of this black cop as much as they been mourning of the death of those other black dudes killed by cops.
Otherwise, clearly...., they aren't about "black lives" AT ALL.

They won't because they are cops, not people.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:01:02 AM

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Long was a Marine sergeant who served from 2005-2010, who was deployed to Iraq from June 2008 to January 2009, according to military records obtained by NBC News.

Among his duty assignments were Marine Corps Recruit Training Depot San Diego; School of Infantry, Camp Pendleton, Calif.; Marine Corps Communications Electri School, Twentynine Palms, Calif.; Headquarters Battalion, 3rd Marine Division, Okinawa, Japan; Marine Aircraft Group 38, 3rd Marine Air Wing, Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, San Diego.

In one YouTube video just posted on July 8, Long goes out of his way to claim he's "not affiliated" with any movement or individual.

"I want to let ya'll, if anything happens with me ... don't affiliate me with nothing ... I'm affiliated with the spirit of justice, nothing more nothing less.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baton-rouge-police-ambush/gavin-or-cosmo-baton-rouge-shooter-left-long-twisted-digital-n611291

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:23:14 AM

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And it protects us from things telling us where we have ro live based on race.

Even without your amendments, you have no worries that your government will ever even attempt to implement that! The belief system is different. You guys are willing to live in danger for personal freedom. We are willing to sacrifice some personal freedom to feel no danger.

Simple example is, how many parks in the US have kids running around happily late nights, weekends, even past mid nights?
There is alot of possible things I can do here that I know I can never do the same in the US.
For example, walking alone in a dark alley at 3am at night. I have zero fear and do it all the time over here, but would freak out like crazy if I was in the US.
How about walking alone at 3am in the heaviest gang activity place in the country?
Things I can only do in Singapore but not anywhere else.
These type of freedom is priceless. Not to get harmed or robbed regardless where I am in the country. Don't have to stay away from scary or bad spots. And never having to behave myself infront of a police officer. I can struggle, kick and scream, and I will never get shot or worry about my life from the very people who are suppose to protect my life despite my refusal to cooperate with them.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:28:49 AM

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"I want to let ya'll, if anything happens with me ... don't affiliate me with nothing ... I'm affiliated with the spirit of justice, nothing more nothing less.

That screams BLM influence louder than anything else!

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:32:38 AM

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A crazy is, by definition, not a regular person.
No only that but, even if you didn't mean it this way, you were implying that most ccw holders are crazy.

Definitely not implying most CCW holders are crazy. That really is nothing close to anything I was saying at all.
I'm saying that, whatever stringent method they have to give people gun license, a really good crazy could pass that test. And when I say "regular", I mean, he may seem like just another regular good CCW to everybody else. That's why his a "crazy regular".

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:36:07 AM

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You don't know that Black cops are less likely to hesitate to shoot a black person than a white cops do you?

Hard to say.
Race loyalty is an interesting thing. Race favourtism is a reality all over the world. You tend to feel more kindred spirit with your own race. It's a natural feeling.
It's exactly why this forum is outrage about French deaths, but say some middle eastern country keeps getting terrorists attacks, and could have more death, nobody gives a shit. Because they are more sympathetic when white people are killed by terrorist. It's already a natural racial element. I think it's just human nature to feel, as I said, more connected to your own race.
So I don't know if a black person will be more likely to shoot a black person, I actually think they might hold back.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:37:07 AM

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"I want to let ya'll, if anything happens with me ... don't affiliate me with nothing ... I'm affiliated with the spirit of justice, nothing more nothing less.

That screams BLM influence louder than anything else!

thats because you are a simple minded moron.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:41:09 AM

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thats because you are a simple minded moron.

This guy took vengeance because he feels black lives are treated unfairly.
He called this justice.
Although black lives matters does not encourage violence, but they are feeding the seed of a false impression that this police killing of civilians is a total discrimination against a specific race thingy, which seeds strong sense for taking justice into their own hands for some black people who feel the need to do something to make a strong statement.
It's a crazy cycle. BLM will get angrier and angrier as police refuse to acknowledge that they are targeting blacks and needs to change.

And the police ain't gonna admit to something that is just blatantly not true! Which will piss off more individuals like this killer here to take individual action.

There is no happy endings to all this.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 5:55:31 AM

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No you were informed, that unless specifically asked by a law enforcement officer with the proper authority, civilians with guns should not get involved.

Except in Dallas case, the policemen were all too busy trying to save their own lives, there is no way any of them could possibly be in the position to ask for help, even if they needed it.

I think it's very difficult for victims of gun attacks to ask for help, even if it's police men. With them busy dodging bullets spraying at them.

It's like imagine you are busy escaping gun shots when they are aim at you, and being a brave officer, you also would never run in the way of civilians as you don't want the stray bullets to go towards civilian direction, you would be running away from civilians. How to ask for help?

Greta, you are assuming there were only the officers that were being fired on present in Dallas, which is a false assumption, once more proving your grasp of modern police methodology, tactics and personnel deployment is severely lacking.

What's more, is your complete refusal to accept or inability to comprehend information passed on to you, your inability to use simple search engines such as google to research any thing to prevent you from post complete bullshit on a repeated basis.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 6:34:24 AM

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How many times do we have to tell you

As often as you make the claim that more guns is the solution to gun violence.

Your statement might make sense if anyone other than you..or many of those who think like you...could prove that here on the pro-gun side had ever just made the blanket statement that more guns are always good, no matter the situation.

But...you can't.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 6:56:32 AM

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Stupid question, how did extremely restrictive gun laws work in France? I am sure the victims in the Charlie Hebdo incident as well as the more recent on this last winter would beg to disagree with the effectiveness of strict gun laws.

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RE: 2cops dead in baton rouge - 7/18/2016 7:10:03 AM

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Greta, you are assuming there were only the officers that were being fired on present in Dallas, which is a false assumption, once more proving your grasp of modern police methodology, tactics and personnel deployment is severely lacking.

What's more, is your complete refusal to accept or inability to comprehend information passed on to you, your inability to use simple search engines such as google to research any thing to prevent you from post complete bullshit on a repeated basis.

In the videos I saw, it really looked like all the officers were huddled and cornered and being shot at and helpless. And the situation got so dire and helpless that they needed to use a robot to bomb the shooter instead of being able to hit him through their own shooting.
That's what I saw. They had a formidable opponent.
I mean, police using bombs to kill dangerous shooters gotta be the first ever in this whole universe.
Military might have used it often, but Police? Also using bombs in a very modern looking city condition. That's really desperate situation, desperate measures. And anyway, the number of death toll and injuries of the police speak volumes to how helpless the police was in that situation. And they were just against one enemy.
It's just such an unusual world happening now that ya know, police are now the victims. And when I see them getting killed, I no longer see them as professionals, but regular humans who need help when in trouble too.

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