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A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/17/2016 10:06:32 PM   
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I actually didn't know this, but I learn from my Korean friend that Abortion is illegal in Korea. I was quite surprised.

And it was not religious motivated.

I think in many oriental Asian cultures. They face the problem of female child being aborted, because they are female. And seriously the main issue is daughter's children cannot carry their family name. That is the gist of why they don't want female kids. China does this in massive amount because of their one child policy. So if the child is female, they are aborting it for sure! Until they get a male. I find it interesting that in Western cultures, people don't seem to care so much. I mean female in Western culture adopts her husband's name, something Chinese women do not do. And their children, usually also adopt her husband's name and Western culture seem to not care if their family name dies out through having only daughters. But Eastern culture gives a big damn about it. Like it's almost like our duty to our ancestors that our family name gets carried through forever and forever.

And it's not really a gender thing because if the culture was different, and only babies of females carry family name. The opposite might happened, and boys might be the ones getting aborted instead.

So apparently this abortion of female babies was just getting so ridiculously out of hand in Korea, that the government decided to ban abortion and tell people to live with the gender of the child they have! Stop getting rid of babies just because they are girls.

I live in a country where, everybody is unanimous about abortion. Even our Islamic council send out of fatwa that abortion and birth control is permissible in Islam, which I thought was very funny.

We like having abortion being legal and we have unity in believing people shouldn't bring babies into this world they don't want. Ironically too, because of all the religious belief, and since there is no limit to the number of children you can have, we don't have the problem of females getting aborted. What we do have, is female children being given away at birth. Their religion forbids them to abort, so they don't really use it. But they are sure hell not gonna bother to raise a female baby and try to give them away for free! That was the old old days anyway. So then you got the situation where, families get a free female baby, raise her from baby to be a maid for free. You know servitude from baby onward. And they grow up doing that, left uneducated but taught their lives is just meant to do housework for the family and then later, take care of the kids of their own children's children. It's free slavery in some way.

Modern days now, people don't care too much about male or female. And women prefer female for frivolous reasons, as they can dress them up more. Males prefer males for practical reasons. A Singaporean male tells me, he want a boy because, they can share toys and he don't have to spend extra money on pads and tampons.

But the only other country that bans abortion, and bans divorce too is Catholic Philippines. That is religious motivated, so yea, it's a catholic country.

But just thought, wow! Korea went extreme hardcore to protect the population of females.

I guess they didn't want a China situation where, you got too many men now and not enough females. And this is their solution.



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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 12:06:57 AM   
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You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 12:21:36 AM   
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You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T

As I said, it was a practical solution in korea to maintain the male and female ratio balance.

Animals don't think practical thoughts and they live by survival of the fittest.

The human world, often try to interfere with nature and help the weak survive.

In this case, women are in this circumstances are the "weak", since they were already denied life for simply being born female and can't defend themselves.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 3:11:33 AM   
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You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T


you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 3:24:01 AM   
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Since we are part of the animal kingdom ..... but there are some vegetables in it obviously...

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 3:36:17 AM   
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I suppose you say that as you look in the mirror vile critter parts.

we're also capable of moral behavior, whereas animals are not.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 3:57:02 AM   
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Actually, Greta, our society does not insist that the female takes the name of the male.
They do usually, but that is by choice - it is not enforced upon them.

So in that sense, there is no need to abort more of one sex than the other.


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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 4:06:19 AM   
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Actually, Greta, our society does not insist that the female takes the name of the male.
They do usually, but that is by choice - it is not enforced upon them.

So why do so few western children carry their mother's surname?

As for taking the male's surname, it really seem to be like western culture thingy. Because you always hear of western women going through the hassle of changing everything on their end to be the same surname as their husband.

Whereas, it's almost unheard of for Chinese women to do that at all. We don't bother. Infact, even the way you address a married woman in Mandarin, you wouldn't address her by the English equivalent of "Mrs Smith" for example if her husband's name was Smith. You would call her, "Mdm Lee" if her original surname was "Lee". And the Mdm title indicate she is married. But then when we start speaking English, we start adopting in English the English way of addressing married women by calling her "Mrs (Insert husband's surname).

But I like that we get to keep our own names and surnames and that's culturally normal, compared to Western women where it's more normal to adopt the husband's name.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 4:07:13 AM   
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Western civilization, only but a few value female off Spring as much as males. Of course most males would like to have a boy to carry on their name. Women here can keep their maiden name if they so wish and pass it on.
As humans as I see it it is our duty to protect the weak.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 6:37:36 AM   
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You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T


you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?

....but we do practice a form of economic Darwinism. Western economies do tend to cull out the genetically unprofitable or they...sure would like to.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 6:39:45 AM   
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I suppose you say that as you look in the mirror vile critter parts.

we're also capable of moral behavior, whereas animals are not.


.....sure they are and show it all of the time.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 7:37:10 AM   
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Since we are part of the animal kingdom ..... but there are some vegetables in it obviously...
Yes, they're the ones screaming hysterically about safe spaces and micro-aggressions and the gender pay gap.


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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 11:49:50 AM   
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You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T


you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?


They don't anyway. It's a myth that animals eat their young for food.

They eat their young out of fear and confusion.

Which is very apt with regard to a few threads next door, because human beings do exactly the same thing.

We kill fellow humans in other lands out of fear and confusion.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 12:02:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T


you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?


They don't anyway. It's a myth that animals eat their young for food.

They eat their young out of fear and confusion.

Which is very apt with regard to a few threads next door, because human beings do exactly the same thing.

We kill fellow humans in other lands out of fear and confusion.


And sometimes we kill fellow humans because they are rabid animals that need to be put down.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 12:04:09 PM   
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Western culture seem to not care if their family name dies out through having only daughters

Because we're sensible, it's just a name and not all that important.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 12:05:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T


you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?


They don't anyway. It's a myth that animals eat their young for food.

They eat their young out of fear and confusion.

Which is very apt with regard to a few threads next door, because human beings do exactly the same thing.

We kill fellow humans in other lands out of fear and confusion.


And sometimes we kill fellow humans because they are rabid animals that need to be put down.

Not nearly so often or with as much glee.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 12:15:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T


you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?


They don't anyway. It's a myth that animals eat their young for food.

They eat their young out of fear and confusion.

Which is very apt with regard to a few threads next door, because human beings do exactly the same thing.

We kill fellow humans in other lands out of fear and confusion.


And sometimes we kill fellow humans because they are rabid animals that need to be put down.

Not nearly so often or with as much glee.

Oh dizzy, come on now. Form complete thoughts in your head and then write the complete thought down. Do what not nearly as often as what? Do what more gleefully as doing what less gleefully. If you take this advice your posts would actually start to make sense. Other people do, if you practice you can too.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 4:56:16 PM   
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I suppose you say that as you look in the mirror vile critter parts.

we're also capable of moral behavior, whereas animals are not.


.....sure they are and show it all of the time.


here is someone who would agree with you:

http://www.livescience.com/24802-animals-have-morals-book.html

and there are some other goodies off to the side of that article also.

here's someone with the opposite point of view:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals

but in retrospect, I probably could have more explicit. I agree that some animals exhibit what we could call "moral behavior."

where I demur would be in an animals ability to understand between "right and wrong" or "good and bad" and to make conscious choices according to morality.

not that that conversation isn't worth having, but in keeping with the intent with my original post---the lower animal world is chock full of examples that give lie to the idea that we should be using them as models for our own moral behavior.

the first that comes to mind is the male of many species impregnating females and then not helping to raise the young.

another is in using physically violent means to intimidate, subdue or recompense others with whom they have an issue (ive had a few bosses/supervisors, and I suspect many of us have who are probably thankful that is not the case in humanity).

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 6:44:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You are nucking futs.

But, animals eat their young if they do not smell right or if food is scarce in the area. Why should they have those rights and not us ?

T^T


you want to use the animal kingdom as a desirable model for human behavior?


They don't anyway. It's a myth that animals eat their young for food.

They eat their young out of fear and confusion.

Which is very apt with regard to a few threads next door, because human beings do exactly the same thing.

We kill fellow humans in other lands out of fear and confusion.


And sometimes we kill fellow humans because they are rabid animals that need to be put down.

Not nearly so often or with as much glee.

Oh dizzy, come on now. Form complete thoughts in your head and then write the complete thought down. Do what not nearly as often as what? Do what more gleefully as doing what less gleefully. If you take this advice your posts would actually start to make sense. Other people do, if you practice you can too.

Not my fault you have trouble with reading comprehension. I'll give you a hint: context. It's all about the context baby.

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RE: A non Christian country that bans Abortion - 7/18/2016 7:27:18 PM   
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I suppose you say that as you look in the mirror vile critter parts.

we're also capable of moral behavior, whereas animals are not.

.....sure they are and show it all of the time.

where I demur would be in an animals ability to understand between "right and wrong" or "good and bad" and to make conscious choices according to morality.

Studies have shown that human brains are wired for empathy and that our sense of fairness is innate. It follows that our moral sense is not dependent on any rational knowledge of good and evil (as a Christian you will recall the reason for the fall). People will argue perfectly rationally that the loss of one life is preferable to a loss of ten, but only when they don't have to do the killing. Morality precedes rationality and can only be corrupted by it.

K.



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