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But you see, this is the legacy of an American 'tradition' This is the 'American culture' where the 2nd amend. is the enabler.
I have a right to own guns.
I have a right to defend my home.
I have a right to call the police.
I have a right to shoot to kill and even before the police arrive.
Another attempt to trash all gun owners because one person screwed up.
And other than me not one word about underage drinking which set the situation up.
Not true. I brought it up in my post that you responded to. I said they were irresponsible for drinking. But that doesn't equal a death sentence.
Sorry, I missed that. I apologize. And again I have stated two or three times that none of this gives the home owner a pass.
We have two serious problems independant of each other. Underage drinking leads to a lot of deaths. And this guy screwed up big time. Neither is negated in any way by the other. ** The kid would be alive if he hadn't been drunk.** The kid would be alive if the homeowner hadn't screwed up.
I disagree, Kids do stupid shit, like knocking on doors when they are not drinking just for kicks, not to mention adults that mistakenly knock on the wrong door. This kid is dead because of this homeowner's pure unadulterated stupidly.
And it's what? Homeowners' jobs to understand and coddle stupid shit from kids whose parents can't be responsible for teaching their spawn respect? I wasn't an angel but I had better ways to blow off steam than running around knocking on people's doors...breaking their glass.
This gun owner made a mistake for damn sure...but so did the kids.
The homeowner is an adult with a gun, it's his responsibly to understand the law, threat assessment and act accordingly .
I don't believe in coddling kids or adults when it comes to disrespect, but don't see the need to shoot them for it.
I have had kids knock on my door and did not find it amusing in the least, it was an nuisance. They posed no threat,
so nothing more than a verbal reprimand was warranted and they didn't do it again. If their parents are so irresponsible
that they don't teach them respect, it's not the kid's fault they are idiots. So someone needs to man up and correct their
behavior hopefully they will learn from it or give them something to think about the next time.
In this case, the homeowner was safe in his house, the police were on the way, there was no need for deadly force.
I'm truly bewilder that some are such wuss's they can't handle a minor confrontation or any confrontation with pertinence.
Note: You cannot fix stupidity, there is no cure, while some would like to eradicate it form this world it's not an executable offense.
Yes...he's an adult with a gun. He has responsibilities both as an adult and as a gun owner. Did he screw up on those responsibilities? He did...as I noted earlier.
But who screwed up first? The 15 Year old. Getting drunk (illegal), mistaking his location (not illegal but certainly helped along by the illegally consumed substance), harassing the owner of the property when he'd been asked to leave (illegal), damaging the property of the homeowner (illegal).
Did his mistakes make him eligible to die? No. Do his actions and choices make him at least partially responsible for his death? Yes. If we can hold 15 Year olds responsible for causing death when a weapon is in their hands, we can certainly make them at least partially responsible when their actions lead them to their own deaths, even when that death comes at the hands of someone who should have chosen a more responsible path.
Have you ever killed someone or had to?
I've been in war and have, it ain't pretty. Ever had you bother in arms shoot right next to you blood shooting out of his body, cover in
his and your blood while trying to stop the bleeding until medics get there? I ain't no hero, my PTSD mercury switch is about to short- circuit. and I am not about to go on with more gore.
Have you ever lost a child?
My 41 year old daughter had here fucking brains blowout by a fukwit igit, now her 13 year old son doesn't have a mother, I'll never
be able to hold her again to tell how much I love her. Not to mention family, friends or anything else. Have I thought about blowing
the motherfucker away hell YES, preferable I would like to see him suffer until his last drop of blood and last breath leave his pathetic corpse but, this is up to the court of law. Nuff said, I'm about to go thermonuclear. Note: This did not make national news it was just a small article in the back of the local paper where she was at the time.
Who screwed up first? Are you frickin serious? That's akin to, who/he started it first? What kind of rationale is that? Sounds like the
immature reasoning of, he hit me first. This ain't no kids game, It's serious shit this boy is dead as a doornail. I've not negated his was
drunk and broke a window accidentally or deliberately. His actions are matter of law and for them to decided the appropriate punishment
if any, not the homeowner to be judge, jury and executioner. Not to mention the fact they were outside with no way of determining they
were drunk while he is safe in his damn house or if window was purposely broken. They were of no threat to him or able to cause him any harm from outside the house, It was not as if they had guns blazing through his door or house.
I've had numerous encounters throughout life that did not require shooting anyone under more stressful conditions and much more
dangers circumstances and did not have to shoot anyone. All of this kind of shit is pure insanity and all anyone wants to do is debate
more guns, less guns, no guns or all the other horseshit. Instead of looking at the root cause, solutions and doing something about it
This includes all the people up to the president, all the damn politicians do is put on a dog an pony show then rinse and repeat.
Just read the forum here same shit here rinse and repeat. Is everyone so ate up the dumb-ass that don't see what the fuck is going
on and just want to piss and moan about this or that stupid shit. Wake the fuck up people it ain't gonna get no better until we come
together as one and do something about this madness.
I honestly would like to hear some answers about, how or what we can change or do about the morally bankrupt people with no regard for human life in this or any other society until something is done it will remain the status quo, off my soapbox.
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Boo fuckin' hoo. Thank you for your service, sorry for your losses.
No...never had to kill anybody. Got to the 82ND as things were winding down in Vietnam. Can't say I personally know the horrors of war except learning from others in my family...closer to his age...of what my dad fought through in WW II and after to become the fine doctor he was. What my uncle went through to become the fine father, husband and man he was. I did my tour, made my jumps, got shot at in Panama, and got out as an Operations Sgt for my company.
Never lost a child. Lost a cousin to a robbery, lost my only brother in a wreck so horrific this past September that they wouldn't let me...a doctor...see his body. Lost my nephew to suicide by hanging. Had to deal...and still do...with a daughter who was molested by her uncle on her mom's side.
And none of your past...or mine...or anybody else's changes the fact that a teenage boy died. Not does it change the majority responsibility of the gun owner who shot him. But...neither does it change the stupidity of the boy and his friend.
You want to stop the gore? Good luck on an overall stage...it's the world you're up against. But on a smaller level? Try local. I was working with abused kids when my kids were small. The molestation of my own daughter led me deeper. But it's my small corner of the world I help. There are others who deal at a larger level that I contribute too but I don't have time or the means to do more. Nut I help my corner of the world. The things that helps me? The realization that it's not ever just one thing that needs to be stopped. Gun violence bothers you? Do something. Go be someone who works at solutions to gangs. Tired of suicide. Be a counselor.
To sit and rail about the "evil gun", gnash your teeth over the irresponsibility of the easiest-chosen "fault-holder" without consideration of all involved, is useless and easy.
Sorry...I'm a look at all things kind of guy. That's why I don't think every woman seeking an abortion bears the responsibility solely on her shoulders. There's a complex set of responsibilities in play. But...except in cases of rape or incest...she does bear some responsibility. That opinion isn't popular...I don't care. It's true.
The SAME is true in this case of the dead 15 Year old. Don't like that? Tough. It is what it is.
Tired of the gore? Then do something or take yourself off to that mythical deserted isle.
If not for your opening first words, the following two phases would have had value, I don't need your appreciation or sympathy, Thank you anyway.
The examples I used had purpose, perhaps you could not see that or I was not clear. When I saw the post I read the article, It literally made me sick at my stomach. I could see the boys one shot and helpless, both probable scared shit less, in shock, his young friend not knowing what to do. I can't say why that one particular memory came to mind, but the image was clear. I was 19 my friend and brother ( not literately ) about the same age, not much older than this two boys. the biggest difference we were already experienced soldiers.
This hit close to home losing my daughter only a few short months ago senselessly. I could understand the parents shock when learning he was dead, feel the grief, guilt, anger and pain. Knowing they are thinking why? What did I do wrong? What could I have done better? Did I fail my child? Questions? More questions? With no answers. I hope you never have to experience losing a child, I wish nobody did, Yet as I write somewhere this has happen. Maybe I'm fortunate or not...or she is ,My wife has passed on, they were very close she would have been crushed.
I don't think we are that far apart but there seems some misinterpretation of what was said or meant , maybe both ways. We agree the homeowner shoulders the majority of the responsibility simply because his offence is a felony, the kids is a misdemeanor far less.
Is there enough culpability to share? Hell Yes. Don't for a second doubt my ability to see the big picture. If you feel I'm to hard on the homeowner so be it. I don't agree with or understand your callous outlook on the kids, If it had been one of your kids would you still feel
" Tough. It is what it is? " It appears most have become desensitized to everything around us. Could that be part of the problem?
I understand speaking your mind is not popular my convictions and believes are what they are, I make no bones about them or will
I apologize. If you think I sit, rail and gnash the "evil gun" you are mistaken, I took No position or expressed one about " Guns" I
will leave that up to the scholars and arm chairs lawyers to continue the useless debating about them. This is Not about Guns
it is in general the senseless violence and deaths.
Don't presume you know me and proceed to tell me what I could or should do, however well meaning. I have always been involved in my community(s).
My Mother started a local charity and has run it for 35 years that helps the less fortunate get back on their feet with clothes, groceries,
helps pay utility bills, school clothes, counseling etc. The big difference it's not a government handout or a handout, they have to work to earn what they get. Thus it's a hand up, keeping their dignity and learning responsibility. I have always played a part with time and money. I work with vets the same way, I have always had a gym(s) for the kids to learn mixed martial arts even when they can't afford the Gi or to pay. They are my kids, it's not so much about their skills ( although some are very good ) I'm like a dad to the ones that don't have one, a surrogate to others.
I can promise anyone that knows me will likely say I'm a hard ass, but fair, including the kids, I don't cut them NO frickin slack they
know where I stand and what I expect, I give it my all it's reasonable they do.
Up against the world? "You Damn Skippy' that's old news, a lot of people don't want to step up to the plate, WHY? Mythical deserted isle?
It has been a thought, The problem is I am not a quitter. Could that be the problem? Much to my own detriment. I opened the floor on the very topic we have been discussing nobody came to the call.
Maybe it was "My fault nobody answered the call for not making a simple questioner" So lets set aside our opinions chalk it up as irrelevant and stick with some known facts. Fair enough?
Why is this discussion about gun rights and statics?
How is it relevant to this case?
Why would a 40+ male shot though a door at 15 year old males, (leave out stupidity) for banging on his door even breaking the glass. while safely locked inside his house with the police on their way in board daylight? (leave out stupidity)
Put your thinking caps on boys and girls. ( sarcasm intended )
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