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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 11:52:13 AM   
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My eyesight isn't as good as it was in those days but it was something I did with regularity.

Bullshit. You can't even SEE a 1cm object at 400 yards. Claiming to regularly hit one with a pellet gun at that range is ludicrous.


Maybe you can't - but I could.
And until the last 15 years I still could.

Bullshit.

You should have told a more believable lie, like you were a door gunner on the Space Shuttle.


I know a guy used to be able to read the letter and numbers off of airplanes in flight. I know a guy who I think, can see in the dark. Some people have really good eyesight and according to what I have read, can see somewhat into the IR and UV spectrum.

you think that because you can't see it others can't. That is a human condition known as "projecting" psychologically. You think everybody is the same. Well, they are not.

Like with the gun thing and this psychiatrist on JFPO, people really think they better not have guns because they are unbalanced enough that they would shoot people over stupid shit. So they think everyone else is like that so they want everyone not to have guns so they do not get shot. Cowardly assholes.

And as always I say, come and get them. They are coming lead first. What do you think the real criminals are saying ?

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Termy, here is an online ballistic calculator. If you look through it you can calculate anything about ballistics.

http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmdist-5.1.cgi

The link here should send you to a part of the calculator that will determine the maximum distance a bullet will travel. If it doesn't go to home and find the maximum distance link and go there. On another list, sorry it's an app on my phone and I can't give you a link, I found the best match target pellet for a pellet gun. It weighs 8 gr (grains, 7000 grains to the American pound) and has a ballistic coefficient of 0.012. Plug in those two number and any numbers you want for things like temperature, pressure and altitude. Pick where you are now and check the weather. Plug in 1000 fps which is hot for a pellet gun. Then do the calculation. The maximum distance that very high end pellet will travel is about 276 yards when it is fired at a 25 degree incline above the target.

So you see, the high end pellet won't travel 400 yards out of a pellet gun and to make it travel 276 yards you have to aim several feet over the target. That sort of aim is impossible for iron sights and the bullet falls to the ground 124 yards in front of her target anyway.

What she said she did is impossible and when I pointed it out she repeated the lie.

And just to be a little more precise, doing the math, when I said above you had to aim several feet above the target, that's actually 186.5 feet above the target. So you have iron sights, you have to aim 18 and one half stories above the target to get the longest possible pellet travel, which is simply impossible with pellet gun iron sights, and the pellet will still land 124 feet short of the target. I should have done the math yesterday, sorry.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 12:01:44 PM   
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My bad: it' an SA-80, not 18. (Brain fart.) The assault rifle that the British army replaced the FN FAL with during the '80s because they had to switch to a 5.56 instead of continuing to use 7.62. (And a real piece of shit according to those who'd been taken with the FN.)

Ya, I saw several comments about it being a piece of shit and not well received by the troops. I...once upon a time...had an FN. I replaced the receiver cover with one that had a picayune rail and mounted a scope. It shot lights out. Only you couldn't use the handle anymore as the scope blocked it.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 12:04:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few people who like that one have told me that it can shoot a gnat's bollocks off, never mind lights.
But never mind that: is the hand grip on it bigger than the M-16/AR-15?

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 12:35:00 PM   
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A few people who like that one have told me that it can shoot a gnat's bollocks off, never mind lights.
But never mind that: is the hand grip on it bigger than the M-16/AR-15?

Well, as I recall...I'm recalling because owning things like this in the People's Republic of California is problematic, the grips were the exact same length. The grip diameter of the FN at the base is about a quarter of an inch larger than an AR and the grip diameter at the trigger guard of the FN is a quarter of an inch smaller than an AR. So, the average grip size is the same. But, that's a recollection mind you.

Here the colloquialism lights out would be equivalent to your gnat's bollock's colloquialism. Although, we'd use gnat's ass interchangeably. I don't know which is more precise. Shooting a gnat's ass or a gnat's bollocks.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 12:38:02 PM   
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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 12:50:57 PM   
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Pick up a copy of any of the 3 NRA publications. They run a regular monthly 2 page column "The Armed Citizen" highlighting instances of armed self defense plucked from news sources around the country.


It is a one page item not two with usually about a half dozen entries. One would think that with all the rhetoric about how personal guns stop crime one would think they could come up with more than a half dozen a month.


Sometimes it's more than a page and there are certainly more than half a dozen entries.

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One reason you don't hear about it is because the anti gun media doesn't want to highlight the fact that it's quite common.


Just above you point out that these news items came from the media which you claim do not cover this stuff.

Go back and check you are wrong.

You know as well as I do they come from local sources, newspapers usually. Generally this sort of thing doesn't make the sensational headlines or lead in national news.


Go back and check you are wrong.
Cbs and fox are not the national news?

What other trivial shit are ya going to nit pick ?

Falsus in uno falsus in omnibus

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:00:48 PM   
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If we eliminated gang banger murders, the gun homicide rate would be low.

If bull frogs has springs on their ass they would not bang it everytime they land.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:10:02 PM   
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I...once upon a time...had an FN. I replaced the receiver cover with one that had a picayune rail and mounted a scope.

I do not believe you put a train station in mississippi on an fn.

https://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Page&code=PIC


Perhaps a picatinny rail is what you actually put on your fn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picatinny_rail






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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:11:45 PM   
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Why after reading what you wrote am I not surprised at this question. Actually the philosophy that ended up being the U.S. Constitution was a hundreds of years old development. God was an extensive part of that development.

Opinions vary


Here is the beginning of the U.S. Declaration of Independance:


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,


What exactly is nature's god?


a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

Following that thought, man is by right of being man in the universe entitled by the laws of nature a place and government is only to secure those rights.


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Government does not give those rights as you've described.


Can you exercise these 'rights' if the government says you may not?



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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:12:51 PM   
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I...once upon a time...had an FN. I replaced the receiver cover with one that had a picayune rail and mounted a scope.

I do not believe you put a train station in mississippi on an fn.

https://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Page&code=PIC


Perhaps a picatinny rail is what you actually put on your fn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picatinny_rail







You're correct. Auto correct apparently thought picatinny was a misspelling.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:17:50 PM   
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Well, as I recall...I'm recalling because owning things like this in the People's Republic of California is problematic, the grips were the exact same length. The grip diameter of the FN at the base is about a quarter of an inch larger than an AR and the grip diameter at the trigger guard of the FN is a quarter of an inch smaller than an AR. So, the average grip size is the same.


A quarter of an inch in diameter equals more than 3/4" in circumference so no not even close to the same size.


But, that's a recollection mind you.

More likely wishful thinking.


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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:22:44 PM   
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Well, as I recall...I'm recalling because owning things like this in the People's Republic of California is problematic, the grips were the exact same length. The grip diameter of the FN at the base is about a quarter of an inch larger than an AR and the grip diameter at the trigger guard of the FN is a quarter of an inch smaller than an AR. So, the average grip size is the same.


A quarter of an inch in diameter equals more than 3/4" in circumference so no not even close to the same size.


But, that's a recollection mind you.

More likely wishful thinking.



Ah, my bad again. Good catch. I said diameter and meant circumference. However, the average would still be the same using either dimension.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:27:06 PM   
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Ah, my bad again. Good catch. I said diameter and meant circumference. However, the average would still be the same using either dimension.


Opinions vary

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:29:08 PM   
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Ah, my bad again. Good catch. I said diameter and meant circumference. However, the average would still be the same using either dimension.


Opinions vary


Opinions vary on you having a good catch or the math?

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:38:46 PM   
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Opinions vary on you having a good catch or the math?


That the two grips are similar in size. Imagine putting your hand up against someone else whos hand was 3/4 of an inch longer than yours.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 1:53:44 PM   
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Opinions vary on you having a good catch or the math?


That the two grips are similar in size. Imagine putting your hand up against someone else whos hand was 3/4 of an inch longer than yours.


But the length, being the same on each, wasn't the measurement in question. If you're now going to question the length, we'd be talking volume when combined with the circumference and you haven't questioned volume. So, where does the opinion vary? Or are you now saying diameter and circumference are directly related to length? I'd be interested in your math on that.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 2:17:05 PM   
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Opinions vary on you having a good catch or the math?


That the two grips are similar in size. Imagine putting your hand up against someone else whos hand was 3/4 of an inch longer than yours.


But the length, being the same on each, wasn't the measurement in question.

It still is not.


If you're now going to question the length, we'd be talking volume when combined with the circumference and you haven't questioned volume.


I still have not

So, where does the opinion vary? Or are you now saying diameter and circumference are directly related to length?


That is your statement not mine.

I'd be interested in your math on that.


Since you created the problem it would be your job to solve it.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 2:20:28 PM   
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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 5:18:46 PM   
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I'll take that as opposed to being a blind mouse among men like you, any day.


Honestly, one of us is wrong. I do hope it's you. I don't think we'll ever agree.


I've never agreed with a devotional delusionalista in my life to this point, and it's not likely to happen now.

But I'll say that if you attributed Reagan's appointee to the FDA and that appointee's politically mandated subsequent creation of a new seat on the scientific panel at the instigation of Searles' lifelong Republican CEO Rumsfeld to 'liberal shenanigans,' . . .

I'll leave it to others to assess which is wrong.

Or just fucking batshit crazy, if given an honest choice on the ballot card.

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RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? - 7/20/2016 6:35:28 PM   
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