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Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:31:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 My eyesight isn't as good as it was in those days but it was something I did with regularity. Bullshit. You can't even SEE a 1cm object at 400 yards. Claiming to regularly hit one with a pellet gun at that range is ludicrous. Maybe you can't - but I could. And until the last 15 years I still could. Bullshit. You should have told a more believable lie, like you were a door gunner on the Space Shuttle. I know a guy used to be able to read the letter and numbers off of airplanes in flight. I know a guy who I think, can see in the dark. Some people have really good eyesight and according to what I have read, can see somewhat into the IR and UV spectrum. you think that because you can't see it others can't. That is a human condition known as "projecting" psychologically. You think everybody is the same. Well, they are not. Like with the gun thing and this psychiatrist on JFPO, people really think they better not have guns because they are unbalanced enough that they would shoot people over stupid shit. So they think everyone else is like that so they want everyone not to have guns so they do not get shot. Cowardly assholes. And as always I say, come and get them. They are coming lead first. What do you think the real criminals are saying ? T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:36:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Yes, they can be found; but they are sooo few in number compared to the downside of tens of thousands on the other side of the fence. If the American media was as supportive of the 2nd as we are lead to believe, why aren't these events splashed across every media outlet in the country?? I'll tell you why: they are so few and far between that those stats are as rare as rocking horse shit. Not nearly the level of horse shit as your claims of prowess with an air rifle, Arnie Oakley. The majority of defensive firearm uses don't result in pulling a trigger, much less killing someone. Such events generally aren't newsworthy. ROTFLMAO...no shit, she claimed that? I can't even begin to explain the impossibility. But if she'd like to provide the exact pellet type and the muzzle velocity of the pellet I'll run it through the ballistic calculator on my phone and show it's impossible. Well, not impossible per se, more outlandish. As a matter of fact I did find the pellet with the highest ballistic coefficient made, plugged that in with a 1,000 fps muzzle (only obtainable on a very high end pellet gun and not conducive to accuracy) velocity and a 5 mph 90 degree wind and performed a trajectory calculation to 400 yards an a wind drift chart to 400 yards. The ballistic calculator said both scenarios were impossible to calculate, which is the first time I ever saw that error message in the calculator. I didn't even know it would give that error message until now. And, basically saying a steel pellet would have better performance than a lead target pellet is so...I don't know how to describe the utter ignorance of it. Pretty much not just BS, but made up voices in the head fantasy. That's why you shoot people up close. Like 20 feet or whatever. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:40:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC Laws work? Really? We do have laws against murder and look at all the dead bodies. Maybe we should be discussing the real problem, "Radical Muslim Extremists" The US has never had a nationwide set of severe gun restrictions that the rest of the civilized world now enjoy. The stats prove that they work. If you think the problem is radical Muslim extremists, you have a reality problem. Compare the number of deaths all over the world by radicals to the US deaths by gun. Yes, they kill people and most of us don't like what they do. Americans kill more people in the US than extremists the world over. According to Mail Online: A total of 32,658 people were killed by terrorists around the world in 2014 - an 80 per cent increase on the previous year, according to the Global Terrorism Index. According to The Trace: According to the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), a nonprofit website that scours more than 1,200 sources to track gun deaths and injuries in the United States, there have been more than 50,000 incidents of gun violence in 2015. The organization’s records show that more than 12,000 people have been killed with guns this year, but what its numbers do not record — due to government reporting practices — is a massive hole in the data: the nearly 20,000 Americans who end their lives with a gun each year. So the extremists aren't as bad as American citizens carrying guns. [8\|] Actually, if you exclude suicides an gang bangers killing each other in Chicago, Detroit, Wasgington DC, and New Orleans the U.S. has one of the lowest gun crime homicide rates in the world. It is not reasonable to use statistic you don't understand to argue a silly point about our laws about which you know nothing. Don't be confusing the liberals with facts. There might be some kind of rule against it. T^T

thompsonx -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:41:37 PM)
ORIGINAL: Blank101 What? All I did was explain the purpose that the second amendment served when it was added to the Constitution many years ago. You have been fed a line of shit my friend. Any cusory reading of the history of the amerikan revolution will show that the fighting was done in the main by the continentl army and the army of france not the militia. George washington's letters attest to his disgust of the militia and their cowardly performances. The primary function of the militias was the tracking down of runaway slaves, searching slave quarters for contraband and the supression of slave revolts. Ask yourself one simple question. If you were a slave, what would compel you to go to work tomorrow if the boss did not have a gun? The folks who pressed for the 2nd ammendment were the slave owners who made up the "anti-federlist".

Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:42:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 You don't exclude bits from facts that you don't like. And you think it's the lowest gun homicide rate in the world?? Go look at the stats again - you're dead wrong; it's one of the highest in the civilized world. That was EXCLUDING a few cities. And those cities happen to have the strictest gun laws. T^T

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:42:16 PM)
quote: It's fine as written. It's not fine it isn't being followed. Dude, they started ignoring it before the ink had dried.

Nnanji -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:44:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: It's fine as written. It's not fine it isn't being followed. Dude, they started ignoring it before the ink had dried. Probably.

BamaD -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:46:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: It's fine as written. It's not fine it isn't being followed. Dude, they started ignoring it before the ink had dried. That makes it right?

Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:46:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 You don't exclude bits from facts that you don't like. And you think it's the lowest gun homicide rate in the world?? Go look at the stats again - you're dead wrong; it's one of the highest in the civilized world. Just the first Google on the list. You can find your own...but you won't because you want to believe the voices in your head. http://www.mythdebunk.com/us-3rd-in-murders/ From your own link - The US is actually 8th in the world in murders, at 14,827 in 2012. Ahead of it are Brazil: 50,108 India: 43,355 Nigeria: 33,817 Mexico: 26,037 Democratic Republic of the Congo: 18,586 South Africa: 16,259 Venezuela: 16,072 And that is just murders, not general gun deaths. And none of those ahead of the US would be viewed as 'the civilized world'. And you still maintain that the US has the lowest gun homicide rate in the world?? There are only 8 worst above it in over 280+ countries worldwide. Is there something wrong with your comprehension? Are those numbers per capita ? If not, what are the populations of those countries ? Is there something wrong with your comprehension ? Did you really think nobody was going to catch that or did you just want to publish it so that if you tell it long enough it becomes truth ? T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:52:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The point that you and other gun nuts can't seem to grasp is that if, in general, the populace don't have guns, your assailant is also not likely to have guns either. In other words, you wouldn't be staring down the barrel of a gun in most situations. Nope I am 65 with 80 year old legs, I would be facing someone a thrid my age with a knife. You want me to be helpless. They do not understand that. We have to physically fuck them up really bad so they cannot fight or run, and then attack them. then they will understand the usefulness of a gun. T^T

Lucylastic -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:53:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji Actually, if you exclude suicides an gang bangers killing each other in Chicago, Detroit, Wasgington DC, and New Orleans the U.S. has one of the lowest gun crime homicide rates in the world. It is not reasonable to use statistic you don't understand to argue a silly point about our laws about which you know nothing. Don't be confusing the liberals with facts. There might be some kind of rule against it. T^T If you are going to cut suicides, gang deaths, from each country in the lists, I bet you would find a huge drop in their figures also the drop would happen with drug deaths too. Why not try to work it out???. BY the way, I bolded it for you but, suicides dont count as "gun homicide rates" There is a difference between homicide and suicide.... so my advice to you would be..... quote: It is not reasonable to use statistic you don't understand to argue a silly point

thompsonx -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:54:16 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Have you ever heard of Great Britian? Our governments learned from that. Someone has his university of dumbass hoodie on don't you?[8\|]

BamaD -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:54:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 You don't exclude bits from facts that you don't like. And you think it's the lowest gun homicide rate in the world?? Go look at the stats again - you're dead wrong; it's one of the highest in the civilized world. Just the first Google on the list. You can find your own...but you won't because you want to believe the voices in your head. http://www.mythdebunk.com/us-3rd-in-murders/ From your own link - The US is actually 8th in the world in murders, at 14,827 in 2012. Ahead of it are Brazil: 50,108 India: 43,355 Nigeria: 33,817 Mexico: 26,037 Democratic Republic of the Congo: 18,586 South Africa: 16,259 Venezuela: 16,072 And that is just murders, not general gun deaths. And none of those ahead of the US would be viewed as 'the civilized world'. And you still maintain that the US has the lowest gun homicide rate in the world?? There are only 8 worst above it in over 280+ countries worldwide. Is there something wrong with your comprehension? You keep going back and misrepresenting what he said. Go back and read his original statement carefully, he didn't say what you are claiming he did.

Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:54:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: Yes, we should follow the Constitution as written. Well, as written, it allows for it to be changed, so why not change it? If we had a government of honest Men who have the best interests of the country at heart that is one thing. I do not want these fucking assholes touching it. T^T

thompsonx -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:56:21 PM)
ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick ]Have you ever heard of Great Britian? Our governments learned from that.[/quote] Precisely, they learned so well that they used overwhelming military force to enforce their taxes. The colonist had been paying their taxes for almost two hundred years...why did they sudenly get their knickers in a twist at that moment?

thompsonx -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:58:11 PM)
ORIGINAL: BamaD Yes, we should follow the Constitution as written. Why do you want to bring back slavery?

mnottertail -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 7:58:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You keep going back and misrepresenting what he said. Go back and read his original statement carefully, he didn't say what you are claiming he did. Nobody at all gives a fuck what nutsuckers said, they dont do anything, and carefully speaking we got a gun death problem.

Termyn8or -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 8:00:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick Three, there are still too many people dying through firearms in the US. If it isn't the easy availability of said firearms, then what is it? Personally I think it is a cultural love of violence and the heroization (yeah I know that's not a word but I can't think of the word that means making a hero out of) of the lone gunman/outlaw. Diz, get this through your head one and for all : MOST PEOPLE WHO GET SHOT DESERVE IT And we breed them like rabbits. They come from gated communities as well as ghettos. they think they can just take what is yours. They think they can fuck any girl no matter what she says about it. DO YOU FUCKING GET IT ? The reason so many people get shot here is because so many of them deserve it. I can't make it much simpler than that. T^T

thompsonx -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 8:00:46 PM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji [ It's fine as written. Why do you want to bring back slavery? It's not fine it isn't being followed. Which part is not being followed?

Nnanji -> RE: WHY DOES THE U.S NEED GUNS ? (7/19/2016 8:01:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji Actually, if you exclude suicides an gang bangers killing each other in Chicago, Detroit, Wasgington DC, and New Orleans the U.S. has one of the lowest gun crime homicide rates in the world. It is not reasonable to use statistic you don't understand to argue a silly point about our laws about which you know nothing. Don't be confusing the liberals with facts. There might be some kind of rule against it. T^T If you are going to cut suicides, gang deaths, from each country in the lists, I bet you would find a huge drop in their figures also the drop would happen with drug deaths too. Why not try to work it out???. BY the way, I bolded it for you but, suicides dont count as "gun homicide rates" There is a difference between homicide and suicide.... so my advice to you would be..... quote: It is not reasonable to use statistic you don't understand to argue a silly point As you don't see the point through your koolaide haze, may I point out that liberals enjoy lumping all gun deaths into, as vicentml said, shooter deaths. While you have a valid point that maybe other countries could have their rates dropped by excluding this or that, as liberals point out they don't have guns so they are civilized so I imagine the effort to eliminate those things from their stats would be negligible. While I also surmise that they would show an increase in suicide rates via other means. So your point, while well considered is probably moot. It has been we...as you say the gun nuts...who continually point out that suicide and homicide should not be lumped into one thing. So, I'm pleased to see that you're finally understanding that point and arguing for are side. I guess my positive hill and Bill thing paid off.

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