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English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 5:50:13 AM

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A Milwaukee, Wisconsin, frozen custard stand that has an English-only policy for ordering had one angry Hispanic customer calling for a federal investigation.

According to WITI-TV, Leon’s Frozen Custard on the south side of Milwaukee has had an English-only ordering policy for years. However, it wasn’t until customer Joey Sanchez heard a waitress say, “I’m not allowed to speak to you in Spanish,” did the local institution have a problem.

According to Sanchez, he also tried to order in Spanish and received the same response. That’s when he went to the local media and started demanding an investigation.

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1. How many languages should a business be forced to speak/accomidate?
2. How many languages should official documents be published in?
3. Is it political correctness or actual correctness?

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 6:01:35 AM

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hmmmmmm why would you have an english only policy in the first place. Its bloody ignorant.

English is my only language, but if I talk to a customer who doesn't speak english, I make an effort to help them to get what they want.
We have french here as well as english. My french is as bad as my spanish, swedish, mandarin and my german, but Im sure as hell not going to be ignorant to turn away a customer or in fact ANYONE IN LIFE because I dont speak his language or he mine.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 6:08:41 AM

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hmmmmmm why would you have an english only policy in the first place. Its bloody ignorant.

English is my only language, but if I talk to a customer who doesn't speak english, I make an effort to help them to get what they want.
We have french here as well as english. My french is as bad as my spanish, swedish, mandarin and my german, but Im sure as hell not going to be ignorant to turn away a customer or in fact ANYONE IN LIFE because I dont speak his language or he mine.

As a business, I have no clue. I agree it doesn't make sense.
For official documents, I think it does make sense

My languages, English, German, Italian, Amharic, Tagre, Swahili, Arabic are going away with disuse and old age. LOL

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 6:08:59 AM

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As most things, language is about the marketplace. If you want the customers, you accommodate.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 6:13:41 AM

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As most things, language is about the marketplace. If you want the customers, you accommodate.

Do you think the marketplace is the perview of the Govt to tell you how to conduct it as it concerns language?

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 7:18:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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As most things, language is about the marketplace. If you want the customers, you accommodate.

Do you think the marketplace is the perview of the Govt to tell you how to conduct it as it concerns language?

When has the government ever done this in the U.S.?

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 7:26:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
1. How many languages should a business be forced to speak/accomidate?
2. How many languages should official documents be published in?
3. Is it political correctness or actual correctness?

Is there a law regulating that businesses MUST accommodate other languages in that state or the US? I think all businesses should just be English only at the very basic. Multi-lingual if they want to add extra service. But a business choice.

It's quite funny, because, over here, we get pissed off when the staff don't speak English to us! In a multi-racial country where we all speak different languages, and are multi-lingual, the universal language is English that we all speak. So I just believe people should just stick to the universal language that everyone understands around here especially for businesses.

Like..., because I am Chinese, Chinese staff will often speak to me in Mandarin. (This shit happens in Western countries too when I go Chinese Restaurants) But I will reply in English. And then the staff may even request if I could place my order in Mandarin. And I'd get mad like, "What happens if you are serving a Malay or an Indian? They can't speak Mandarin! Why would you ask me to speak Mandarin?"

Haha, it's alternate Universe. But it's just so not funny, especially at a fast food restaurant where there are plenty of non-Mandarin speaking customers and you got some stupid staff who have no problems speaking English at all, demanding I speak Mandarin to her because I'm Chinese. Always pisses me off.

But if the counter staff genuinely cannot speak whatever language you speak. Let's say, Indian counter staff, attending to an older generation of Chinese person who may not speak English. Then the Indian can't speak Mandarin. Usually, will try to locate another Chinese customer to help translate to English. No big deal.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 7:39:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
1. How many languages should a business be forced to speak/accomidate?
2. How many languages should official documents be published in?
3. Is it political correctness or actual correctness?

Is there a law regulating that businesses MUST accommodate other languages in that state or the US?
It's quite funny, because, over here, we get pissed off when the staff don't speak English to us! In a multi-racial country where we all speak different languages, and are multi-lingual, the universal language is English that we all speak. So I just believe people should just stick to the universal language that everyone understands around here especially for businesses.

Like..., because I am Chinese, Chinese staff will often speak to me in Mandarin. (This shit happens in Western countries too when I go Chinese Restaurants) But I will reply in English. And then the staff may even request if I could place my order in Mandarin. And I'd get mad like, "What happens if you are serving a Malay or an Indian? They can't speak Mandarin! Why would you ask me to speak Mandarin?"

Haha, it's alternate Universe. But it's just so not funny, especially at a fast food restaurant where there are plenty of non-Mandarin speaking customers and you got some stupid staff who have no problems speaking English at all, demanding I speak Mandarin to her because I'm Chinese.

There are some places where laws like OSHA require translation. There are also states that require official documents to be in English and don't require translation. I know of none that specifically require businesses to operate in any given language. We have a small Mexican Resturant here that has great food and none of the employees/owner speak English. I know enough to order what I want.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 7:41:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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As most things, language is about the marketplace. If you want the customers, you accommodate.

Do you think the marketplace is the perview of the Govt to tell you how to conduct it as it concerns language?

When has the government ever done this in the U.S.?

Not sure except as noted above comment. But remember this guy wants EEOC to investigate which implies that there might be or by EEOC determination.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 7:42:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
We have a small Mexican Resturant here that has great food and none of the employees/owner speak English. I know enough to order what I want.

But does that annoy you at all?

Like seriously! I get freaking annoyed when I go to a Chinese Restaurant around here. And sometimes, even a fancy one at a top hotel. Which will cost easily $100 to $200 per head.

And NOBODY speaks English! Like WTF? How do they communicate with international customers!

Also US doesn't have any official language it seems, but my country's official language is English first. Mother Tongue second. So it's very clear, that EVERYBODY should at least speak English on top of their Mother Tongue. All schools are in English.

But of course the reason for this No English Speaking Chinese staff is because they are from China or Malaysia. Where it's not necessary for them to know English in their own country.

Unless I am in Mexico, I think if I was in US and visited a restaurant where everyone speaks only Spanish. Geez...., that would be frustrating. It would be unexpected.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 7:51:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
We have a small Mexican Resturant here that has great food and none of the employees/owner speak English. I know enough to order what I want.

But does that annoy you at all?

Like seriously! I get freaking annoyed when I go to a Chinese Restaurant around here. And sometimes, even a fancy one at a top hotel. Which will cost easily $100 to $200 per head.

And NOBODY speaks English! Like WTF? How do they communicate with international customers!

Also US doesn't have any official language it seems, but my country's official language is English first. Mother Tongue second. So it's very clear, that EVERYBODY should at least speak English on top of their Mother Tongue. All schools are in English.

But of course the reason for this No English Speaking Chinese staff is because they are from China or Malaysia. Where it's not necessary for them to know English in their own country.

Unless I am in Mexico, I think if I was in US and visited a restaurant where everyone speaks only Spanish. Geez...., that would be frustrating. It would be unexpected.

It doesn't annoy me. I always get what I want. Of course being raised in the SW around and with Spanish Speakers (and yes I funked Spanish in school - motly because it was Castillian that was taught instead of Spanglish spoken around here) helps.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 8:16:48 AM

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 8:38:03 AM

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 9:17:58 AM

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1. How many languages should a business be forced to speak/accomidate?

However many it wants to, though sensible business practice is to try having people who can serve one's customer base.

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2. How many languages should official documents be published in?

As many as are deemed official.

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3. Is it political correctness or actual correctness?

Neither, it is just good business practice.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 6:38:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
As most things, language is about the marketplace. If you want the customers, you accommodate.

Do you think the marketplace is the perview of the Govt to tell you how to conduct it as it concerns language?

When has the government ever done this in the U.S.?

The customer is asking for a Federal investigation. Apparently, he (the customer) thinks the government should do this.

Ken was asking MrRodgers if the Market is the purview of the Federal Government to require multiple language options.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/19/2016 9:41:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

1. How many languages should a business be forced to speak/accomidate?

None.

How much enforcement to that is in effect, or realistically being contemplated?

None.

How many restaurants/food huts/ice cream huts, etc. have an English-only ordering policy?

First I've heard of it is Leon’s Frozen Custard on the south side of Milwaukee. Not many businesses are that stupid. Most just do what comes naturally and honestly; the staff just say "Sorry, I don't understand you," "Sorry, I don't speak that language," etc. If the (hand or wall) menu has pictures, the staff would encourage them to point.

Speaking of "point," this idiot business owner thought he had one to make with that idiotic policy. Now he will get all kinds of mixed response publicity. Maybe that's what he was hoping for.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/20/2016 1:24:43 AM

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Friend of mine goes to a Mexican restaurant where hey actually do not speak English, and he only knows a few words in Spanish. He says the food is excellent. Many people think Taco Bell when they think Mexican food but that is like saying USian food is all McDonald's, and it is not. Like saying all Italian food is spaghetti and lasagna and it is not.

It is their choice not to have anyone speaking English there. Personally, if I owned the place I would make sure to have at least one person working there who is bilingual. (if not more lingual) It's a rare business these days that finds it advantageous to limit its customer base, and a restaurant ain't one of them.

Long time ago someone said that by one vote, German may have been the official language of the US, but that was debunked even before snopes came along to debunk stuff. Fact is there is no official language. However I submit this - the founding documents of this country are written in English. That means it is a pretty good assumption that we use English. Actually I like German and wish I knew more about it. They can say in one word what takes us ten.

Anyway, someone is bound to make a federal case out of this and we might see another mandate that all businesses must have a translator or some shit like that. Maybe I'll just go to Dubai and open a restaurant, all the free sex you want. You can just grab any girl down there and have sex, and if she doesn't like it they will put her in jail. And they have an indoor skiing range. Your tax dollars really do work there.

Sometimes people get hired partly because they are bilingual. I don't know where to put myself on that one. I think anyone who wants to live in this country should know English. If I move to Russia I think it would be appropriate to learn Russian.

I think any business owner stu0pid enough to want to limit their possible market should be allowed to do so. Not bake cakes for homosexuals ? Sure. The guy down the street will and he gets the money. And if you start losing money over it, get it from your fucking church. And this is not much different than the cake issue really. Some people got here too late in life to learn another language. They should try but I will tell you that for me it would be exceedingly difficult.

But the cake bakers and the restaurant owners, when you don't have enough money to feed your kids and pay your bills, don't come crying to me.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/20/2016 1:56:09 AM

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Most every (US) Mexican or Honduran or Cuban etc. restaurant I've been to had almost all bilingual staff, 100% for the wait staff, except for one at the Honduran place.

The one Central American place (not sure from which country, but located in Charlotte) who had no English speakers at all had the best food I've had from south of the border. Like you said.

If you'll notice, in reading the original Declaration of Independence a lot of the nouns are capitalized, not any discernible reason why some were and some weren't. In German, all nouns are capitalized. It makes me wonder if it had to do with that being directed to George III, of the House of Hanover, but he being the great grandson of the George (I) who actually lived and reigned in that principality before being called to England, I think George III barley knew German himself. Who knows.

"I think anyone who wants to live in this country should know English." I don't disagree, in spirit. But for the reasons you state, it's just not practical for adults. Just like all the Germans and Italians and Polish and Russians etc. before them, after 4-5 years they use their kids as translators. So it's only one generation, occasionally maybe two, before most of the family speaks native English.

(Mexicano) Guy down the street from my dad put up a new fence in his back yard, spoke maybe five words of English. He brought his 13 yr. old daughter to translate the negotiations, which she did in perfect boarding school English, though she goes to a regular public school. That is going to be one smart girl when she grows up, learning all that business and negotiation firsthand.

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/20/2016 2:00:23 AM

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I was talking about a Mexican restaurant in the US, in Cleveland, Ohio.

I don't expect them all to learn English in other countries. Or did I misunderstand ?

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RE: English Only Policy - 7/20/2016 2:05:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I was talking about a Mexican restaurant in the US, in Cleveland, Ohio.

I don't expect them all to learn English in other countries. Or did I misunderstand ?

T^T

You did, but it was my fault. I see now that it was me who wasn't clear. All the restaurants I was talking about are in the US. The one place who had no English speakers but great food was in Charlotte NC.

Sorry about that.

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I fixed my post with this: "Most every (US) Mexican or Honduran or Cuban etc. restaurant I've been to ... "

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