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Kirata -> Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 12:06:07 PM)


First reports are 6 dead and many wounded....

MUNICH (AP) -- A manhunt was underway Friday for a shooter or shooters who opened fire at a shopping mall in Munich, killing six people and wounding others, police and media reports said. The city transit system shut down and police asked people to stay inside their homes and otherwise avoid public places . . . Police said witnesses reported seeing three people with guns near the Olympia Einkaufszentrum mall. ~AP

Live feed: Sky News

More coming out....

Second shooting in Munich as gunman opens fire at Marienplatz Metro station

The second shooting follows an attack which took place earlier today at a shopping centre in Munich. Over a dozen people are believed to have died at the scene – with six deaths already having been confirmed. It is thought that the three attackers who carried out the shooting at the Munich shopping centre, fled into the U-Bahn/Metro network.

K.




SunDominant -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 12:15:54 PM)

Eyewitnesses say three shooters.




Marini -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 12:47:39 PM)

This is fast becoming a daily, at least weekly phenomenon.
Two weeks ago, the truck incident in France.
Last week the train incident in Germany.
Is this the wave of the future?
I guess it's not politically correct to say, Europe is having some serious issues, with some of the refugees.




sloguy02246 -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 1:27:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I guess it's not politically correct to say, Europe is having some serious issues, with some of the refugees.

Hell, I'm fucking saying it.


How do you know the three in Munich are refugees?




Marini -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 1:33:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I guess it's not politically correct to say, Europe is having some serious issues, with some of the refugees.

Hell, I'm fucking saying it.


How do you know the three in Munich are refugees?


I don't know who it is, this time, I will admit that.
Time will tell, I hope I am wrong, I really do.




Awareness -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 1:36:51 PM)

Place your bets, place your bets! Anyone want to bet AGAINST this being another piece of Islamic terrorism.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 1:40:14 PM)


The latest report I've heard (From Sebastian Gorka) is that the guy that was heard screaming about "refugees" was doing so in an Eastern German accent. His best guess (and Dr. Gorka is an expert on terror) is that it is a right-wing, neo-NAZI motivated attack.



Michael




Marini -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 1:47:20 PM)

It may be worse if it is a German citizen.
If it's a far right hate group, domestic terrorist, that's bad.
If it's a Muslim extremist terrorist attack, that's bad.
It's bad either way.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 2:26:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


The latest report I've heard (From Sebastian Gorka) is that the guy that was heard screaming about "refugees" was doing so in an Eastern German accent. His best guess (and Dr. Gorka is an expert on terror) is that it is a right-wing, neo-NAZI motivated attack.



Michael



Exactly!!! Thanks for pointing that out...




Phoenixpower -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 2:30:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

It may be worse if it is a German citizen.
If it's a far right hate group, domestic terrorist, that's bad.
If it's a Muslim extremist terrorist attack, that's bad.
It's bad either way.



True, however I find it bad, too, to immediately blame everything what happens on refugees...




Marini -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 2:51:35 PM)

At least I can woman up and say I probably was wrong.
Consider focusing on why not only was that my first guess, but probably the majority of people in the world.
Why is that?
What would make most people, make that guess?
Could it be the 3 attacks in France, within a year?
Hummm




WickedsDesire -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 2:56:45 PM)

Refugees...yes the scum every breath they take is an affront to our moral decency. We ruined there lands, destabilised it yet millions wished to escape hunger, famine, big balls malarkey, and disease and rape, and a lot worse

I think little of the Englpish, less americans, and the Swiss - christ don't get me started on that lot. WW1 and 2 wasn't actually that long ago - at 46 a mere 1-2 of my lives existence ago...and yet the Nazis took in far more than us...If you and your family were faced with murder, siege of Stalingrad, rape, torture, day after tomorrow etc what would you do. I would flee myself and hope i was was embraced, made welcome by another huwman

Islam - Muslims this has nothing to do with...and its been a while since Christianity went on crusades. Do not doubt for one second we could not return that entire region back to the stone age in an equally indiscriminate manner




PeonForHer -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 4:30:54 PM)

FR,

/Begin ramble:

To be honest, I think the game-plan nowadays is radically different to what we've become accustomed. Or, at least, that's how we should think.

In the old days, we could think in terms of some kid joining a group, getting trained up either locally or overseas, then returning to cause mayhem. That's vaguely how *I* always imagined it, anyway. You had conventional armies, where some 17 year old lad went off, signed up, got trained, wore a uniform, then fought. On the flip side, you had a smaller number of 17 year olds who'd get entranced by a radical idea, go abroad to some country in Africa or the Middle East that few of us could pinpoint on a map, get trained by a terrorist group, come back, then do some aggressive stuff as ordered by his commander.

Now, though, we have the fab technologies - most important of which is the great Internet. Say you're a psychopath who fancies a nice bit of murdering, but isn't quite ready for it in the head. All you need do is go on the Net and find the ideology of your choice - whichever one fits with your personal collection of hatreds. Whatever characterises that collection - you will find a website, or many websites, that support it. Having your ideology nicely sorted out, you move onto your strategy. If purpose-built weapons aren't available; there'll be plenty of ideas for improvising them. If your plan requires more people, you can seek them out pretty easily, even without the 'Dark Net'.

After you've done your deed, some terrorist group or another may claim that you were 'one of its agents'. There's no way for the rest of us of telling if their claim is true or not. And perhaps it doesn't even matter. You could locate the proclaimed 'leader' of said terrorist group, bomb his HQ and kill him and all his henchmen ... but, still, the ideology is out there, on the Net, waiting to be hungrily lapped up by the next psychopath to come along.

I'm not sure where we go with this phenomenon. One thing I'm steadily becoming convinced of, though, is that of the old line, favoured amongst war historians, that generals fight the last war, rather than the present one. We saw that in WW1, with generals who hadn't quite grasped what this 'new fangled' tech of machine guns could do; we saw it in WW2, with military leaders who hadn't really understood what aircraft loaded with huge bombs could 'achieve'. Thereafter, we saw it with conventional armies trying to grapple with guerrillas, against whom they couldn't 'fight', in any sense that those conventional armies understood the word 'fight'. (As Kissinger said, 'the conventional army loses if it does not win; the guerilla wins if he does not lose'.)

All the guerillas have to do is make it so miserable for the conventional army that it gives up and fucks off home. That's what happened in Viet Nam. The North Vietnamese hearts were were *much* more in it than were those of their Western enemies. But those NVs were mere softies compared to today's ISIS-followers. They were probably also mainly what we'd call sane, versus the sort of frothing, psychopathic killer that goes on the rampage for one reason or another, today.

These evil shits aren't doing their stuff 'conventionally' - we can't assume we have a decent chance of stopping them by thinking and operating in conventional terms, either.

I'm no military expert. All I really know is 'New ideas, folks, new ideas!'

/End ramble.








Kirata -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 8:12:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Place your bets, place your bets! Anyone want to bet AGAINST this being another piece of Islamic terrorism.

MUNICH TERROR: Gunman shouted 'Allahu Akbar' as he shot CHILDREN in McDonald's

A WITNESS has claimed she heard the gunman who has killed at least nine in a shooting rampage in Munich shout "Allahu Akbar" during the attack.

CNN reports on the witness here (scroll down the page):

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the restaurant. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run."

Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

The gunman moved across the street to Olympia Mall, which is adjacent to the site of the 1972 Olympics. Located in a middle-class neighborhood in northern Munich, the mall is the city's biggest shopping cente and is a popular destination for shoppers on Friday nights, German lawmaker Charles Huber told CNN.


Unconfirmed:

Did Munich killer lure children to their deaths on Facebook?

Police are investigating a fake Facebook advert which offered free food at the McDonald's where a gunman killed the first of his nine victims.

K.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 9:41:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Place your bets, place your bets! Anyone want to bet AGAINST this being another piece of Islamic terrorism.

MUNICH TERROR: Gunman shouted 'Allahu Akbar' as he shot CHILDREN in McDonald's

A WITNESS has claimed she heard the gunman who has killed at least nine in a shooting rampage in Munich shout "Allahu Akbar" during the attack.

CNN reports on the witness here (scroll down the page):

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the restaurant. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run."

Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

The gunman moved across the street to Olympia Mall, which is adjacent to the site of the 1972 Olympics. Located in a middle-class neighborhood in northern Munich, the mall is the city's biggest shopping cente and is a popular destination for shoppers on Friday nights, German lawmaker Charles Huber told CNN.


Unconfirmed:

Did Munich killer lure children to their deaths on Facebook?

Police are investigating a fake Facebook advert which offered free food at the McDonald's where a gunman killed the first of his nine victims.

K.



I checked the link, just to make sure I wasn't going crazy. I was watching TV when this call interview video was being re-played.

Let me explain: I saw a replay of an interview where they had the time to put the text on the screen, word-for-word.

There are two omissions to this text version:

"... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run."

Was, in fact: "... And he's still killing the children. The children were (still) sitting to eat. They can't run." This suggests that there was a (somehow) measurable length of time that the innocents being shot at hesitated while the (now, I believe) Islamic scumbag shot them.

"Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim, (too). I hear this and I only cry."

Why is this significant? This person who didn't want to be identified whom I will accept as what the PPLs describe as a "peace-lovin' Muslim", doesn't make a distinction between what she believes and what the scumbag believes. In her mind, at least, they are one-in-the-same.



Michael




BamaD -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 9:45:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


First reports are 6 dead and many wounded....

MUNICH (AP) -- A manhunt was underway Friday for a shooter or shooters who opened fire at a shopping mall in Munich, killing six people and wounding others, police and media reports said. The city transit system shut down and police asked people to stay inside their homes and otherwise avoid public places . . . Police said witnesses reported seeing three people with guns near the Olympia Einkaufszentrum mall. ~AP

Live feed: Sky News

More coming out....

Second shooting in Munich as gunman opens fire at Marienplatz Metro station

The second shooting follows an attack which took place earlier today at a shopping centre in Munich. Over a dozen people are believed to have died at the scene – with six deaths already having been confirmed. It is thought that the three attackers who carried out the shooting at the Munich shopping centre, fled into the U-Bahn/Metro network.

K.


I saw were the person the German police say is the shooter was a 19yr old German-Iranian. They are still talking about how he might be a right wing nut. Does anyont know if the victims were immigrants or Germans, that would go a long way toward figuring this out.




Kirata -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 10:20:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

I saw were the person the German police say is the shooter was a 19yr old German-Iranian. They are still talking about how he might be a right wing nut. Does anyont know if the victims were immigrants or Germans, that would go a long way toward figuring this out.

I'm not sure that would be as revealing as one might think. Muslims who assimilate are probably just as good a target as anybody else from the point of view of these maniacs.

K.





Phoenixpower -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 11:20:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

At least I can woman up and say I probably was wrong.
Consider focusing on why not only was that my first guess, but probably the majority of people in the world.
Why is that?
What would make most people, make that guess?
Could it be the 3 attacks in France, within a year?
Hummm


True, I appreciate that...

and why is that, that people make that guess?

To be honest there are countless reasons for that but in my personal experience I felt my
life way more nicer whilst living under foreigners in the UK than in my own home country...

They had way more the "live and let live" attitude whereas over here you always get scanned
about your degree, your weight and whatever else, I found the attitude in my own homecountry
often a very arrogant one compared to my life I had in the UK...though thats not this topic now
I know, but that I always realise when foreigners get handily blamed for everything...

1980 we have had a nazi attack in Germany, just some years ago it became public how nazis killed 10
foreigners over here...it's unfortunately always an option over here, to come from that corner...




Phoenixpower -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/22/2016 11:22:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Refugees...yes the scum every breath they take is an affront to our moral decency. We ruined there lands, destabilised it yet millions wished to escape hunger, famine, big balls malarkey, and disease and rape, and a lot worse

I think little of the Englpish, less americans, and the Swiss - christ don't get me started on that lot. WW1 and 2 wasn't actually that long ago - at 46 a mere 1-2 of my lives existence ago...and yet the Nazis took in far more than us...If you and your family were faced with murder, siege of Stalingrad, rape, torture, day after tomorrow etc what would you do. I would flee myself and hope i was was embraced, made welcome by another huwman

Islam - Muslims this has nothing to do with...and its been a while since Christianity went on crusades. Do not doubt for one second we could not return that entire region back to the stone age in an equally indiscriminate manner


Very well said...




Phoenixpower -> RE: Munich Mall Shooting (7/23/2016 1:40:17 AM)

According to the news the victims were

1 woman aged 49,
6 boys and 2 girls aged 14-21...

the 10th is the shooter himself...




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