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Wayward5oul -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 4:17:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003

--FR--

Considering the extreme partisanship shown by congress, and the extreme lack of truly qualified people that have run for presidency the last few elections I can't think of anybody that could be trusted with changing laws every few years, and I especially wouldn't want them to get their hands on any part of the Constitution. Well, MAYBE some state laws could be changed at a state level.

Exactly.




CarpeComa -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 5:56:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

--FR--

Considering the extreme partisanship shown by congress, and the extreme lack of truly qualified people that have run for presidency the last few elections I can't think of anybody that could be trusted with changing laws every few years, and I especially wouldn't want them to get their hands on any part of the Constitution. Well, MAYBE some state laws could be changed at a state level.

Exactly.


They are doing it anyway by constantly writing new laws. So this argument is a moot point.




BamaD -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 6:23:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

--FR--

Considering the extreme partisanship shown by congress, and the extreme lack of truly qualified people that have run for presidency the last few elections I can't think of anybody that could be trusted with changing laws every few years, and I especially wouldn't want them to get their hands on any part of the Constitution. Well, MAYBE some state laws could be changed at a state level.

Exactly.

So since some are trying to undermine the constitution we should just throw up our hands and let them rewrite it officially?

They are doing it anyway by constantly writing new laws. So this argument is a moot point.





DesideriScuri -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 6:29:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I also agree that all laws should have a sunset expiry date.
6 years is a bit short; maybe 10 or 15??
That directive should include everything on the constitution too!
What they also need to fix is the stupid two-tier law structure that you have.
One set of laws for the state and another set for the federal system.
WTF is that all about?? Just plain stupid and confusing.
Abolish all state laws and have a single set of laws that cover every state from coast to coast.
That would avoid all confusion - same laws no matter where you are in the US.
It would stop states trying to get around federal laws by making up their own.
If state laws were abolished, they would have no powers to make 'state' laws.
But.... nobody has the balls to make such radical changes in the US. Nobody.
Even if you found someone with enough gall, the senate or congress would stall it and kick it down the road forever more... for decades.


The Federal Government was created by a pact among the States and the People. ALL Federal authority is granted by the People and States. That is the only way to have any protection against a Federal tyranny.






CarpeComa -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 6:42:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: CarpeComa


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

--FR--

Considering the extreme partisanship shown by congress, and the extreme lack of truly qualified people that have run for presidency the last few elections I can't think of anybody that could be trusted with changing laws every few years, and I especially wouldn't want them to get their hands on any part of the Constitution. Well, MAYBE some state laws could be changed at a state level.

Exactly.


They are doing it anyway by constantly writing new laws. So this argument is a moot point.

So since some are trying to undermine the constitution we should just throw up our hands and let them rewrite it officially?


Fixed your quoting. If you look at what I proposed, I had said that the constitution and the first 10 amendments should be off-limits. Everything else is fair game.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 7:18:59 PM)

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So since some are trying to undermine the constitution we should just throw up our hands and let them rewrite it officially?

It's meant to be rewritten, that's why there is an amendment process laid out.




BamaD -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 7:37:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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So since some are trying to undermine the constitution we should just throw up our hands and let them rewrite it officially?

It's meant to be rewritten, that's why there is an amendment process laid out.

Not rewritten, added to.
Not automatically expiring.
Should, for example, the 13th amendment have automatically expired in the 1880s because maybe we would change our minds about slavery?




Termyn8or -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 8:28:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I also agree that all laws should have a sunset expiry date.
6 years is a bit short; maybe 10 or 15??
That directive should include everything on the constitution too!
What they also need to fix is the stupid two-tier law structure that you have.
One set of laws for the state and another set for the federal system.
WTF is that all about?? Just plain stupid and confusing.
Abolish all state laws and have a single set of laws that cover every state from coast to coast.
That would avoid all confusion - same laws no matter where you are in the US.
It would stop states trying to get around federal laws by making up their own.
If state laws were abolished, they would have no powers to make 'state' laws.
But.... nobody has the balls to make such radical changes in the US. Nobody.
Even if you found someone with enough gall, the senate or congress would stall it and kick it down the road forever more... for decades.


The Federal Government was created by a pact among the States and the People. ALL Federal authority is granted by the People and States. That is the only way to have any protection against a Federal tyranny.





As such, those states that wanted to seceded from the union before the civil war should have been allowed to.

I am not kidding.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 8:31:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

So since some are trying to undermine the constitution we should just throw up our hands and let them rewrite it officially?

It's meant to be rewritten, that's why there is an amendment process laid out.


Not rewritten. Amended. There is a difference. They can add new rights, such as Gay marriage.

T^T




BamaD -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 9:11:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I also agree that all laws should have a sunset expiry date.
6 years is a bit short; maybe 10 or 15??
That directive should include everything on the constitution too!
What they also need to fix is the stupid two-tier law structure that you have.
One set of laws for the state and another set for the federal system.
WTF is that all about?? Just plain stupid and confusing.
Abolish all state laws and have a single set of laws that cover every state from coast to coast.
That would avoid all confusion - same laws no matter where you are in the US.
It would stop states trying to get around federal laws by making up their own.
If state laws were abolished, they would have no powers to make 'state' laws.
But.... nobody has the balls to make such radical changes in the US. Nobody.
Even if you found someone with enough gall, the senate or congress would stall it and kick it down the road forever more... for decades.


The Federal Government was created by a pact among the States and the People. ALL Federal authority is granted by the People and States. That is the only way to have any protection against a Federal tyranny.





As such, those states that wanted to seceded from the union before the civil war should have been allowed to.

I am not kidding.

T^T

That view was taught at West Point until about 1850.




Edwird -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 9:52:05 PM)


Even before 1850, Andrew Jackson had difficulties with South Carolina, where Jackson himself was born.

South Carolina did well in the nullification disputes of 1832. They lost the nullification battle itself but succeeded in forcing a revision of tariff laws for better terms in that process.

Too bad they were so effing stupid in 1860.






Termyn8or -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 9:58:52 PM)

"That view was taught at West Point until about 1850. "

And I still maintain that slavery would have been abolished soon anyway. Also remember that the abolition did not happen until TWO YEARS after the start of the civil war.

There were White families all over the south already helping escaped slaves to get up north, but then the Dred Scott decision fucked that all up, and Roger B. Taney who made that decision was a federal judge. Not a Confederate judge.

Taney was awarded that job for moving the funds of the US government to a private (foreign) bank after three other secretaries of the treasury refused to do so at the behest of the traitor President. I think it was Andrew Jackson.

What is not known to most people today is the changes in the monetary system at the time. There was already the tariff of abominations but this was much more, it undermined the solidity of the USD, and those southern states did not like that at all. Nobody was even talking about abolishing slavery at the time. With a supreme court ruling like that ? No fucking way.

But yes, they knew it was coming. It just did not come yet, but these old money people in the south, who were here literally before the government, saw what could happen. They were stupid to buy slaves of course but they had their mind on their money and their money on their mind.

And you might remember 1929 and 2008, but most people do not realize there have been hundreds of crashes in between. And every time the commoner loses money and big money gets richer.

Let me tell all the kids here how to bet the races. First of all, try to bet a smaller field. If there are only eight horses in the field instead of eleven, that is better. Don't read the racing forms, and don't go when it is crowded. You need to be able to get to that window fast.

You watch the board. It shows the odds for the next race. You will see odds that are ridiculous, 100:1 n shit. Those are the longshots. You bet four horses, I KNOW YOU CANNOT WIN THEM ALL, but mathematically it works out that you are more likely to make money. You take two of the front runners, like maybe #2 and #3. Then you watch the board right before post time. you have to keep your eye on this and make your bet as late as possible. You watch and see if the mid shots or longshots have their odds dropping like a rock. When that happens what it means is the big money is going on them. The big money IS big money because they know what the fuck they are doing and have alot more information than we do. In that way, you follow them.

But you have to bet like they do, wait until the window is about to close. They know when they bet fifty grand on a 22:1 shot the odds will drop. What we need here is for other people not to notice it in time. These assholes read the newspaper and place their bets without even looking at the board. And never bet a trifecta or quadfecta, you bet across the board. The minimum bet is $24 when you do it that way. Takes money to make money.

Here I am hijacking my own thread ! LOL

But now that I mention it, they got no right to regulate gambling, except to keep it hones. Nevada does that bigtime. Cheat at all in a casino it is a felony. And they got more cameras than England. They take this shit very seriously there. I guess they should.

But they are all about taxes n shit so I prefer a smoke filled room in the basement of a bar with a barmaid who brings down beers and sandwiches. And also doesn't say anything when we are smoking a joint. The good old days.

T^T




Edwird -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 10:17:43 PM)


I missed out on whatever 'good old days' it was where the woman's best job was bringing a beer and a sandwich.

Not that I hit the mark every time, but a good number of ladies I got involved with were good at stir frying and good conversation, and appreciated my good stir frying and good conversation.

Even though I came to this site from interest in ladies who like getting spanked, I still think I might get some thrill out of a woman saying "go make me a sandwich!"

I think I'm hooked on some twisted notion of "1950s household" thing where the guy comes home and spanks the wife, then makes a sandwich for her, knowing the perfect amount of thinly sliced onion in that to her taste.





Termyn8or -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/24/2016 11:28:02 PM)

You are fucking weird. But that is cool, that is what this site is all about.

I was doing it wrong for decades, not putting onions on my sandwiches.

And I do not want vadailia onions, I want real onions.

I am getting really close to looking for really good cold cuts. Like proscuto(sp) and a few other things. Some of this shit costs more than filet mignon, and I am looking or that as well. I got a slicer and slice it thin and put mushrooms, onions and cheese with it on a sandwich. The proscuto would get lettuce, tomato and onion. Well some kind of cheese of course.

T^T




Edwird -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/25/2016 2:00:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

You are fucking weird. But that is cool, that is what this site is all about.


Thanks for noticing. Half the people here still haven't figured that out yet. I take that as a compliment, in any case.

quote:

I was doing it wrong for decades, not putting onions on my sandwiches.

And I do not want vadailia onions, I want real onions.


My goodness. A sandwich without onion is like a day without sunshine.

I'm only about 200 miles from the actual location of those fabled Vidalia onions, so then easy to get 2-3 months of the year. But yes, just a tad overrated. I can get good onions almost all year, from wherever. But those are 'real' onions just as any other.

Stir fry is so easy. Slice half an onion into the pan with olive oil or coconut oil, two cloves of garlic, then scratch your head and figure out what else is going into it. If forced to put something else in, zucchini works. Tai Jasmine rice is good with that.



quote:

I am getting really close to looking for really good cold cuts. Like proscuto(sp) and a few other things. Some of this shit costs more than filet mignon, and I am looking or that as well. I got a slicer and slice it thin and put mushrooms, onions and cheese with it on a sandwich. The proscuto would get lettuce, tomato and onion. Well some kind of cheese of course.


Sounds good, even though I only eat meat 2-3 time a year anymore. "Down here," we like our tomato sandwiches, out of the garden. But tomato-onion-jalapeƱo sandwiches are out-of-this-world good.





BamaD -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/25/2016 2:20:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"That view was taught at West Point until about 1850. "

And I still maintain that slavery would have been abolished soon anyway. Also remember that the abolition did not happen until TWO YEARS after the start of the civil war.

There were White families all over the south already helping escaped slaves to get up north, but then the Dred Scott decision fucked that all up, and Roger B. Taney who made that decision was a federal judge. Not a Confederate judge.

Taney was awarded that job for moving the funds of the US government to a private (foreign) bank after three other secretaries of the treasury refused to do so at the behest of the traitor President. I think it was Andrew Jackson.

What is not known to most people today is the changes in the monetary system at the time. There was already the tariff of abominations but this was much more, it undermined the solidity of the USD, and those southern states did not like that at all. Nobody was even talking about abolishing slavery at the time. With a supreme court ruling like that ? No fucking way.

But yes, they knew it was coming. It just did not come yet, but these old money people in the south, who were here literally before the government, saw what could happen. They were stupid to buy slaves of course but they had their mind on their money and their money on their mind.

And you might remember 1929 and 2008, but most people do not realize there have been hundreds of crashes in between. And every time the commoner loses money and big money gets richer.

Let me tell all the kids here how to bet the races. First of all, try to bet a smaller field. If there are only eight horses in the field instead of eleven, that is better. Don't read the racing forms, and don't go when it is crowded. You need to be able to get to that window fast.

You watch the board. It shows the odds for the next race. You will see odds that are ridiculous, 100:1 n shit. Those are the longshots. You bet four horses, I KNOW YOU CANNOT WIN THEM ALL, but mathematically it works out that you are more likely to make money. You take two of the front runners, like maybe #2 and #3. Then you watch the board right before post time. you have to keep your eye on this and make your bet as late as possible. You watch and see if the mid shots or longshots have their odds dropping like a rock. When that happens what it means is the big money is going on them. The big money IS big money because they know what the fuck they are doing and have alot more information than we do. In that way, you follow them.

But you have to bet like they do, wait until the window is about to close. They know when they bet fifty grand on a 22:1 shot the odds will drop. What we need here is for other people not to notice it in time. These assholes read the newspaper and place their bets without even looking at the board. And never bet a trifecta or quadfecta, you bet across the board. The minimum bet is $24 when you do it that way. Takes money to make money.

Here I am hijacking my own thread ! LOL

But now that I mention it, they got no right to regulate gambling, except to keep it hones. Nevada does that bigtime. Cheat at all in a casino it is a felony. And they got more cameras than England. They take this shit very seriously there. I guess they should.

But they are all about taxes n shit so I prefer a smoke filled room in the basement of a bar with a barmaid who brings down beers and sandwiches. And also doesn't say anything when we are smoking a joint. The good old days.

T^T

Actually slavery was not abolished until after the war. The Emancipation Proclimation only covered areas not controled by the Union. Had it abolished slavery it could have driven Mo, Ky, Wv, Md, and Del to leave the Union.




BamaD -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/25/2016 2:23:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"That view was taught at West Point until about 1850. "

And I still maintain that slavery would have been abolished soon anyway. Also remember that the abolition did not happen until TWO YEARS after the start of the civil war.

There were White families all over the south already helping escaped slaves to get up north, but then the Dred Scott decision fucked that all up, and Roger B. Taney who made that decision was a federal judge. Not a Confederate judge.

Taney was awarded that job for moving the funds of the US government to a private (foreign) bank after three other secretaries of the treasury refused to do so at the behest of the traitor President. I think it was Andrew Jackson.

What is not known to most people today is the changes in the monetary system at the time. There was already the tariff of abominations but this was much more, it undermined the solidity of the USD, and those southern states did not like that at all. Nobody was even talking about abolishing slavery at the time. With a supreme court ruling like that ? No fucking way.

But yes, they knew it was coming. It just did not come yet, but these old money people in the south, who were here literally before the government, saw what could happen. They were stupid to buy slaves of course but they had their mind on their money and their money on their mind.

And you might remember 1929 and 2008, but most people do not realize there have been hundreds of crashes in between. And every time the commoner loses money and big money gets richer.

Let me tell all the kids here how to bet the races. First of all, try to bet a smaller field. If there are only eight horses in the field instead of eleven, that is better. Don't read the racing forms, and don't go when it is crowded. You need to be able to get to that window fast.

You watch the board. It shows the odds for the next race. You will see odds that are ridiculous, 100:1 n shit. Those are the longshots. You bet four horses, I KNOW YOU CANNOT WIN THEM ALL, but mathematically it works out that you are more likely to make money. You take two of the front runners, like maybe #2 and #3. Then you watch the board right before post time. you have to keep your eye on this and make your bet as late as possible. You watch and see if the mid shots or longshots have their odds dropping like a rock. When that happens what it means is the big money is going on them. The big money IS big money because they know what the fuck they are doing and have alot more information than we do. In that way, you follow them.

But you have to bet like they do, wait until the window is about to close. They know when they bet fifty grand on a 22:1 shot the odds will drop. What we need here is for other people not to notice it in time. These assholes read the newspaper and place their bets without even looking at the board. And never bet a trifecta or quadfecta, you bet across the board. The minimum bet is $24 when you do it that way. Takes money to make money.

Here I am hijacking my own thread ! LOL

But now that I mention it, they got no right to regulate gambling, except to keep it hones. Nevada does that bigtime. Cheat at all in a casino it is a felony. And they got more cameras than England. They take this shit very seriously there. I guess they should.

But they are all about taxes n shit so I prefer a smoke filled room in the basement of a bar with a barmaid who brings down beers and sandwiches. And also doesn't say anything when we are smoking a joint. The good old days.

T^T

Taney was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and if you read the ruling carefully you will see that it put and end to free states. It said that a slave purchased in a slave state remained a slave regardless of living in a free state.
Also the ruling was not made by Taney, but by the Supreme Court, Taney wrote the opinion for the majority.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/25/2016 7:21:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I also agree that all laws should have a sunset expiry date.
6 years is a bit short; maybe 10 or 15??
That directive should include everything on the constitution too!
What they also need to fix is the stupid two-tier law structure that you have.
One set of laws for the state and another set for the federal system.
WTF is that all about?? Just plain stupid and confusing.
Abolish all state laws and have a single set of laws that cover every state from coast to coast.
That would avoid all confusion - same laws no matter where you are in the US.
It would stop states trying to get around federal laws by making up their own.
If state laws were abolished, they would have no powers to make 'state' laws.
But.... nobody has the balls to make such radical changes in the US. Nobody.
Even if you found someone with enough gall, the senate or congress would stall it and kick it down the road forever more... for decades.

The Federal Government was created by a pact among the States and the People. ALL Federal authority is granted by the People and States. That is the only way to have any protection against a Federal tyranny.

As such, those states that wanted to seceded from the union before the civil war should have been allowed to.
I am not kidding.
T^T


I'm not sure I agree. I'm also just as sure that I don't agree. lol

The US Constitution did not include a process by which States could secede. I suppose, in a sense, it would have ended up requiring an abolishing of the Federal Government an a new one (or two) supreme government(s) re-established. Regardless, 150 years after the fact means any unConstitutional actions back then are likely not meaningful, though they might be fodder for thought projects.




thompsonx -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/25/2016 12:07:24 PM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD

And he understood that the price of failure was death.


What is your point?

Maybe we should execute people who want to repeal the constitution.


Would you help us with your logic chain there? How do you get there from where you started?


Why is it that non Americans think they know so much more about the U S than Americans do?

Perhaps they have been exposed to 'igergnat' maerikans like yourself?[8|]




thompsonx -> RE: Outdated Laws Should Expire (7/25/2016 12:12:10 PM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD

So since some are trying to undermine the constitution we should just throw up our hands and let them rewrite it officially?

Isn't that how the process was itended to work? Otherwise we would still have slavery???is that what you want?




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