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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 9:24:00 PM   
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I don't know of any western country that allows learner drivers to rent cars, so let's not use that as any proof of racism. NO learner can rent a car here, be they black, white or brindle.
Any racist rants on buses usually involve the driver stopping the bus and ejecting the perpetrators and if they won't get off, the boys in blue arrive very quickly. I have travelled plenty on buses and trains and have never seen it happen, although I have heard of a couple of cases because they made it to the TV news or the papers. I think that if they were commonplace, they wouldn't make it that far.

I have never seen a bus driver stop the bus and do anything about it.
My driving license thing was not about racism but as to why the hell I am taking buses around Australia instead of simply renting a car.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 9:24:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see you are determined to believe that this is commonplace Greta. I say it's not, basically because I spend more time in this country than you do, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
The vocal minority are just that; a minority who make a lot of noise about the 'Asian menace'. That Asian menace exists only in their tiny minds but they rant and rave about Pauline Hanson being the saviour of Australia. THAT is what gets heard and THAT is what gets noticed. Australia doesn't need saving from anything at the moment, except those mouthy shit-stirrers who are determined to get their pointless points of view noticed and spread like the manure it is.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 9:27:03 PM   
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I say it's not, basically because I spend more time in this country than you do, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

You spend more time in a country where you are part of the majority race, just like I will never experience racism in Singapore. You will never experience it in Australia.
But racism does exist in Singapore.
It's kinda weird you are so defensive and complete denial that racism does exist in Australia.
I do not have such denials about Singapore, even though we are multi-cultural as well.

And the video evidence of one innocent guy, happened in the place you are living in. Queensland that you say none exists. Is this video even getting any media attention in Australia at all? If it's not, it means, it got swept under the carpet, despite it being on social media.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 9:34:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Defensive ? I don't believe so. Realistic I will go along with.
Yes, racism exists here but not in the majority of people. you make it sound as though you think there is a neo-Nazi or KKK-man standing at every bus stop waving a fiery cross and that is far from the case. Most of the people here are like people anywhere........you appear friendly to them and they will offer the hand of friendship to you.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 9:39:27 PM   
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Defensive ? I don't believe so. Realistic I will go along with.
Yes, racism exists here but not in the majority of people. you make it sound as though you think there is a neo-Nazi or KKK-man standing at every bus stop waving a fiery cross and that is far from the case. Most of the people here are like people anywhere........you appear friendly to them and they will offer the hand of friendship to you.

One person, in a bus full of 20 to 30 people is hardly the majority.

It could be 1 out of 30. I have always referred them as loud minorities.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 10:01:14 PM   
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HA !

Many years ago I used to take two buses to and from work. At the transfer point downtown this kid wearing a swastika and Nazi garb asks the bus driver for a free ride as he had no money.

The bus driver was Black.

I told the bus driver that I would not let anyone that fucking stupid ride for free either.

I don't know what the word is, racialist maybe ? There is nothing wrong with having some pride. It is when you put others down that is a problem. It is when you treat those who are different badly because they are different. That is dead wrong.

What's more, it is a human animal trait. Like pack animals, we formed tribes a long time ago. There is no getting out of it, but you being human means you look past such things.

There are still bigotries against ugly people, fat people, short people, people with red hair and a whole bunch more than I could ever list. It is how you treat people that matters. Put that shit aside and be nice. Always be nice until it is time not to be nice (the movie Road House, I thought it worth the quote). Even Muslims, who are proving to be somewhat of a problem.

In personal matters, I have no use for Oriental Women. I am not fond of how they act, how they look. But treating people equally does not mean bedding them. Same way with Muslim Women, I simply have no interest. (plus I don't want their brother cutting my throat LOL) Very very few Black Women turn me on, and really to be honest, the ones who do outclass me so much I have no chance anyway.

I am allowed to discriminate, in fact discrimination is only wrong under certain circumstances. It has to have a material impact, it is not a matter of how you pick your friends or mates. And it has to be for the wrong reasons. For example, many businesses discriminate against convicted felons by requiring a background check, as do they when it comes to getting a CCW for examole. That is discrimination but it is widely accepted. Now if a violent felon, maybe it should be hard for them to get a gun if not impossible. But to get a job ? What happens when someone at 19 years old gets caught with a pound of weed ? Now he cannot get a good job.

Believe it or not, in this country they start their own business alot of the time. So you have to pass a background check but your boss doesn't. Good going.

They discriminate against people who smoke pot. You do coke or heroin it is out of your system in days, LSD is out of your system in fifteen minutes but you could have flashbacks months later. You can get that job but a guy who smoked one joint two weeks ago can't. Is that reasonable ? And other than the pot being illegal, pot smokers commit the fewest crimes that I can see. (some are too paranoid to steal anything LOL)

So the only forms of discrimination people think are wrong are racial ad religious, even if that race or religion hates us, justified or not.

Do I have that right ?

T^T

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 10:45:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hell Termy, for once I agree with most of what you say *smile*, but I have lived too long and seen to much to bother to discriminate against anybody except for one small problem. I like humour and I like funny jokes and in most cases, for a joke to be funny, somebody has to get hurt, physically, mentally or emotionally. That, as far as I am concerned is just 'T.S' as they say in Russia. I will continue to tell jokes, listen to jokes and have jokes told about and against me, so if that makes me an 'ist' of some sort, then paint me that colour. I really don't give a rat's ass. Like you, I like what I like and I leave the rest alone. Is that discrimination ? Or bigotry ? Again, I really don't care. I will try and get along with most people and things until they get so far up my nose that I just don't bother with them any more.
As a matter of interest, I have heard a joke that I heard again and again over time, but with the nationalities changed, depending on the nationality of the person who was telling it or the country I was in at the time.
The Brits told it about the Irish
The Americans told it about the Poles and Canucks.
The Germans told it about the Saxons.
The Norwegians told it about the Swedes.
The Kiwis and Aussies told it about each other.
You will probably find that the ancient greeks told it about the Romans.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 10:53:05 PM   
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HA !

Many years ago I used to take two buses to and from work. At the transfer point downtown this kid wearing a swastika and Nazi garb asks the bus driver for a free ride as he had no money.

The bus driver was Black.

I told the bus driver that I would not let anyone that fucking stupid ride for free either.


If I was the black bus driver, I would tell the kid that, I am gonna let him come on board, despite him wearing something that is supposingly against my race, and all I ask in return is he will return a form of kindness to someone else of my race when he gets a chance.

To solve racism problems, being kind to racists are the best solutions. Being nasty to them is never the solution as it re-enforces their prejudices. That's why Muslims reacting so nasty towards Muhammad cartoons are just, them proving they are exactly what people who dislike them think they are. That's why I applaud the dude in the video for being chill and cool and friendly to the woman. I pretty much always react very kindly and nicely to anybody openly racist towards me, because I don't believe getting angry or aggressive is gonna help change that person's impression of my race.

There are many things in life, kindness in return is not the solution, but racism, because, they simply don't like the colour of your skin, works super well in my experience anyway.


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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 11:02:15 PM   
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I have no use for Oriental Women. I am not fond of how they act, how they look

I accept that you don't like how we look. I can imagine we can look like aliens to another race.

But how do we act different from white women exactly by your perception?

Curious about that.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 11:03:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am left wondering what would happen to any kid here if he were to strut around in nazi garb and flaunting the crooked cross.I think he might find himself looking down a world of hurt. Kindness would NOT be one of the things shown to him I think.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 11:07:10 PM   
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I am left wondering what would happen to any kid here if he were to strut around in nazi garb and flaunting the crooked cross.I think he might find himself looking down a world of hurt. Kindness would NOT be one of the things shown to him I think.

Well, I am used to seeing kids strut around in Nazi garb. Interestingly, it's the local Muslims here, who copied the Nazi skinhead culture, wear denim jackets with swastikas, tight skinny jeans, shave their head and wear boots, and are racist towards anybody who is not a Muslim lmao!
I think alot of people who join the "Nazi nonsense", is just like kids who join gang. They just want a sense of belonging in a group setting. Of course skinhead also encompasses the "working class culture" thingy, but adding Nazis into it, adds the racial element.

But I just always laugh about it, because if they met a real Nazi, who is really a white supremacist, what will they think about these group of brown skinned folks emulating them lol. It's just funny. But I know it's just a childhood phrase, peer pressure and all that crap. Kids being young and stupid.


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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 11:15:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, during the war, the S.S. did have a couple of muslim divisions I believe. So maybe these kids are looking for a bit of a vacation on the Eastern Front *smile*.
The S.S. used troops from every country they conquered, as well as some from countries they DIDN'T conquer *smile*. Think of 'The Legion of Saint George' (British) and the 'George Washington Legion' (American), as well as the Indian divisions ( whatever they were called).

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/28/2016 11:17:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Like you said though greta, imagine a bunch of these modern day clowns meeting up with a couple of seasoned troopers from 'Das Reich' or ''Totenkopf' divisions

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/29/2016 4:08:21 AM   
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Here in Sydney, I use public transport at least twice a day every day. . The passengers in almost all cases are a mixture of races including Asian. In all the trips I have taken, I have only once witnessed an incident of the type Greta is claiming is commonplace. On that occasion a passenger was giving the Asian bus driver a hard time. She was very quickly made to shut up by the other passengers who told her in no uncertain terms to leave her hate at home. So while I don't deny that incidents of this type occur, in my experience they are far rarer than Greta is suggesting.

In fact these incidents are rare enough to feature on the nightly TV news when they're captured by CCTV - and as all buses in Sydney have CCTV, all untoward incidents are recorded. So I am guessing that the total number are minute not the everyday occurrence that Greta is suggesting. I am sorry that these ugly incidents happened to you Greta but there is no way they are representative of the Australia I live in 24/7.

Australia is a multi cultural country with people from practically every country on the planet choosing to make Australia home. Overtly racist politicians rarely poll higher than 3 or 4%. In the last poll, just a month or so ago, Pauline Hanson's racist One Nation party polled 3.9%, so Pauline and her ilk speak for very few Australians (are you listening RM?). Parties that favour a multicultural Australia (including its immigration policy) poll around >95%.

Racists in Australia are a dying minority who can't die off fast for as far as I am concerned.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/29/2016 5:47:37 AM   
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I don't know what you're doing, but to "typically" get people telling you you're not welcome is weird.


Well, it's a uniquely Australia experience.
Encountering an Australian racist in Australia would obviously be a uniquely Australian experience Greta... I've alread told you racism is not however. I very much doubt racism is any worse or more prevelent in Australia than any other western culture...
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Australia has a reputation in Asia for being extremely racist towards Asians. That's like from people who spent 3 to 4 years University studying there experience over there.
Well that's a shame... Reputation can be a hard thing to change. Has anyone else on here had any racist experiences in Australia?

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/29/2016 6:24:46 AM   
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Apart from a bit of anti-muslim sentiment expressed by a few of the redneck bogans in this country, (headed by the red-head-witch of the West), I have to admit I have seen little or none of the anti-foreigner sentiment that has been expressed in this thread so far. you must both be lifting the wrong rocks *smile*.
Au contraire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

Even growing up, the Lebanese had a reputation as their society allows men to treat women like chattel. That didn't go down well in Oz.

There's a significant amount of concern in Australian society about the level of foreign investment in this country - particularly Chinese. In New Zealand, the Chinese are suddenly refusing goods from specific farms with the aim of bankrupting those farming groups and eventually buying them out.

Chinese phone manufacturers Huawei, Xiaomi and Lenovo all ship cell phones with malware pre-installed. There's no way on this earth I would ever buy a Chinese cellphone.

Unfortunately, it's the delusional attitude of middle-class socialists like yourself who think everybody feels the way they do. People who disagree with immigration and foreign investment are not racist - unless you'd like to call the Islamic and Asian countries racist as well (because they sure as shit don't have open borders and a lack of limitations on foreign investment).

There are genuine concerns about overseas ownership of critical assets and that traitor Turnbull's plan to privatise medicare will place Australian health care in the pockets of multinationals, which includes interests from China. Christ, I hate the Liberal party.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/29/2016 8:37:38 AM   
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Do you still vote/live in au?
I voted Green this time. You?

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/29/2016 9:23:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Australia - a penal colony...and whilst some of you are harking on about nz there are two countries on earth that rival mine for beauty and they are NZ and Norway. I concede it to New Zealand a land of fire and ice.

Indigenous population - is probably one of my most favourite topics, out with cake. Yellow skinned one you spake of this reality, of yours so oft, you must intrigue my kin with a meagreness of it someday

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/29/2016 9:51:46 AM   
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Has anyone else on here had any racist experiences in Australia?[/color]

I seem to be the only yellow skinned person active in this forum so far.

But if you need to view more incidences: http://www.straight.com/blogra/310456/racist-attacks-against-asian-transit-passengers-australia

It all seem to happen only in public transport, exactly as I experience it.

I mean, it never happens in malls, or on the streets, or pretty much, my personal experience, it really only happens in buses. And coincidentally, all these incidences in that link are also inside public buses or trains.

I don't know why and what is it about people sitting in public buses makes them cranky.

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RE: Australia anti-foreigners sentiments - 7/29/2016 9:57:20 AM   
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There's a significant amount of concern in Australian society about the level of foreign investment in this country - particularly Chinese. In New Zealand, the Chinese are suddenly refusing goods from specific farms with the aim of bankrupting those farming groups and eventually buying them out.

Chinese phone manufacturers Huawei, Xiaomi and Lenovo all ship cell phones with malware pre-installed. There's no way on this earth I would ever buy a Chinese cellphone.

There are genuine concerns about overseas ownership of critical assets and that traitor Turnbull's plan to privatise medicare will place Australian health care in the pockets of multinationals, which includes interests from China. Christ, I hate the Liberal party.

All these points are definitely valid and fair. I think almost every country needs to watch for China. Even Chinese countries like Taiwan, Hong Kong, and my own country. They are buying everything up. And almost everything is made in china. Even apple phones. They really got monopoly on everything these days. And no Chinese, whether living in china or non-china Chinese, are under any delusion about China's hunger for world economic domination. That is the goal. Historically, that's what they have always done, fought among themselves for power, thus slow to progress, now they got unity as one, anyway, it's China.

PS: Although Hong Kong and Taiwan is now part of China, but none of those countries view themselves as part of China at all, it's like against their will they are forced to be part of China. So I will treat them as separate countries. As they would like to be treated. They have different culture and values from China. Everything is different.

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