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Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 12:02:22 AM   
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Literally everything people today think they know about us history is a lie brought to you by gubllemint schools inc. to keep you deaf dumb and blind.


"I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.

It’s the old American Double Standard, ya know: Say one thing, do somethin’ different. And of course this country is founded on the double standard. That’s our history. We were founded on a very basic double standard: This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free.

Rights aren’t rights if someone can take them away. They’re privileges. That’s all we’ve ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter. You see all, sooner or later. Sooner or later, the people in this country are gonna realize the government does not give a fuck about them! The government doesn’t care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply does not give a fuck about you! It’s interested in its own power. That’s the only thing. Keeping it and expanding it wherever possible." ~ George Carlin




In a fascinating essay reviewing this controversy, R. Halliburton shows that free black people have owned slaves “in each of the thirteen original states and later in every state that countenanced slavery,” at least since Anthony Johnson and his wife Mary went to court in Virginia in 1654 to obtain the services of their indentured servant, a black man, John Castor, for life.

And for a time, free black people could even “own” the services of white indentured servants in Virginia as well. Free blacks owned slaves in Boston by 1724 and in Connecticut by 1783; by 1790, 48 black people in Maryland owned 143 slaves. One particularly notorious black Maryland farmer named Nat Butler “regularly purchased and sold Negroes for the Southern trade,” Halliburton wrote.

Perhaps the most insidious or desperate attempt to defend the right of black people to own slaves was the statement made on the eve of the Civil War by a group of free people of color in New Orleans, offering their services to the Confederacy, in part because they were fearful for their own enslavement: “The free colored population [native] of Louisiana … own slaves, and they are dearly attached to their native land … and they are ready to shed their blood for her defense. They have no sympathy for abolitionism; no love for the North, but they have plenty for Louisiana … They will fight for her in 1861 as they fought [to defend New Orleans from the British] in 1814-1815.”

These guys were, to put it bluntly, opportunists par excellence: As Noah Andre Trudeau and James G. Hollandsworth Jr. explain, once the war broke out, some of these same black men formed 14 companies of a militia composed of 440 men and were organized by the governor in May 1861 into “the Native Guards, Louisiana,” swearing to fight to defend the Confederacy. Although given no combat role, the Guards — reaching a peak of 1,000 volunteers — became the first Civil War unit to appoint black officers.

When New Orleans fell in late April 1862 to the Union, about 10 percent of these men, not missing a beat, now formed the Native Guard/Corps d’Afrique to defend the Union. Joel A. Rogers noted this phenomenon in his 100 Amazing Facts: “The Negro slave-holders, like the white ones, fought to keep their chattels in the Civil War.” Rogers also notes that some black men, including those in New Orleans at the outbreak of the War, “fought to perpetuate slavery.”

How Many Slaves Did Blacks Own?

So what do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves tell us? In 1830, the year most carefully studied by Carter G. Woodson, about 13.7 percent (319,599) of the black population was free. Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people. In his essay, ” ‘The Known World’ of Free Black Slaveholders,” Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson’s statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves; 172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves. Crucially, 42 percent owned just one slave.

William Ellison’s fascinating story is told by Michael Johnson and James L. Roark in their book, Black Masters: A Free Family of Color in the Old South. At his death on the eve of the Civil War, Ellison was wealthier than nine out of 10 white people in South Carolina. He was born in 1790 as a slave on a plantation in the Fairfield District of the state, far up country from Charleston. In 1816, at the age of 26, he bought his own freedom, and soon bought his wife and their child. In 1822, he opened his own cotton gin, and soon became quite wealthy. By his death in 1860, he owned 900 acres of land and 63 slaves. Not one of his slaves was allowed to purchase his or her own freedom.

Louisiana, as we have seen, was its own bizarre world of color, class, caste and slavery. By 1830, in Louisiana, several black people there owned a large number of slaves, including the following: In Pointe Coupee Parish alone, Sophie Delhonde owned 38 slaves; Lefroix Decuire owned 59 slaves; Antoine Decuire owned 70 slaves; Leandre Severin owned 60 slaves; and Victor Duperon owned 10. In St. John the Baptist Parish, Victoire Deslondes owned 52 slaves; in Plaquemine Brule, Martin Donatto owned 75 slaves; in Bayou Teche, Jean B. Muillion owned 52 slaves; Martin Lenormand in St. Martin Parish owned 44 slaves; Verret Polen in West Baton Rouge Parish owned 69 slaves; Francis Jerod in Washita Parish owned 33 slaves; and Cecee McCarty in the Upper Suburbs of New Orleans owned 32 slaves. Incredibly, the 13 members of the Metoyer family in Natchitoches Parish — including Nicolas Augustin Metoyer, pictured — collectively owned 215 slaves.

Antoine Dubuclet and his wife Claire Pollard owned more than 70 slaves in Iberville Parish when they married. According to Thomas Clarkin, by 1864, in the midst of the Civil War, they owned 100 slaves, worth $94,700. During Reconstruction, he became the state’s first black treasurer, serving between 1868 and 1878.

Andrew Durnford was a sugar planter and a physician who owned the St. Rosalie plantation, 33 miles south of New Orleans. In the late 1820s, David O. Whitten tells us, he paid $7,000 for seven male slaves, five females and two children. He traveled all the way to Virginia in the 1830s and purchased 24 more. Eventually, he would own 77 slaves. When a fellow Creole slave owner liberated 85 of his slaves and shipped them off to Liberia, Durnford commented that he couldn’t do that, because “self interest is too strongly rooted in the bosom of all that breathes the American atmosphere.”

It would be a mistake to think that large black slaveholders were only men. In 1830, in Louisiana, the aforementioned Madame Antoine Dublucet owned 44 slaves, and Madame Ciprien Ricard owned 35 slaves, Louise Divivier owned 17 slaves, Genevieve Rigobert owned 16 slaves and Rose Lanoix and Caroline Miller both owned 13 slaves, while over in Georgia, Betsey Perry owned 25 slaves. According to Johnson and Roark, the wealthiest black person in Charleston, S.C., in 1860 was Maria Weston, who owned 14 slaves and property valued at more than $40,000, at a time when the average white man earned about $100 a year. (The city’s largest black slaveholders, though, were Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, both of whom owned 84 slaves.)

In Savannah, Ga., between 1823 and 1828, according to Betty Wood‘s Gender, Race, and Rank in a Revolutionary Age, Hannah Leion owned nine slaves, while the largest slaveholder in 1860 was Ciprien Ricard, who had a sugarcane plantation in Louisiana and owned 152 slaves with her son, Pierre — many more that the 35 she owned in 1830. According to economic historian Stanley Engerman, “In Charleston, South Carolina about 42 percent of free blacks owned slaves in 1850, and about 64 percent of these slaveholders were women.” Greed, in other words, was gender-blind.

The good news, scholars agree, is that by 1860 the number of free blacks owning slaves had markedly decreased from 1830. In fact, Loren Schweninger concludes that by the eve of the Civil War, “the phenomenon of free blacks owning slaves had nearly disappeared” in the Upper South, even if it had not in places such as Louisiana in the Lower South. Nevertheless, it is a very sad aspect of African-American history that slavery sometimes could be a colorblind affair, and that the evil business of owning another human being could manifest itself in both males and females, and in black as well as white.


http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist/


The civil war had not one damn thing to do with slavery!

Everything you think you know is a lie. Same goes for waco, 911, the holocaust, every war this country has been in, the founding of this country, the real gubmint, if you did not deeply research these issues all you have for knowledge is nothing more than pre-school koolaid.

I felt this deserved a topic of its own. Long story short the history I know is vastly different from the history I seen thrown around here.






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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 12:17:51 AM   
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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 12:20:37 AM   
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And here I was, about to say that I know , at his core, RealOne is a great guy.



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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 12:30:16 AM   
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you suk as liar! LOL

An interesting side note is that blacks were not allowed to fight initially in some states.

The reason I posted this is because I made one little remark in another thread and was surprised how many people had no idea this was the case.

Its this way with everything americans taught in our schools. In other words its 99.9% bullshit. We have a whole country of mislead people and they all fucking vote. How about that!

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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 12:41:56 AM   
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Oh but the buck doesnt stop there! These are only the zit on the flys wing sitting on top of the iceburg of american/brito history.



By Roger K. Broxton of Andalusia, president of the Confederate Heritage Fund

Abraham Lincoln repeatedly stated his war was caused by taxes only, and not by slavery, at all.

"My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861.


"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so," Lincoln said it his first inaugural on March 4 of the same year.

There is no proof of Lincoln ever declaring the war was fought to abolish slavery, and without such an official statement, the war-over-slavery teaching remains a complete lie and offensive hate speech that divides Americans, as is being done now by the media and politicians regarding the Confederate flag in South Carolina.

Slavery was NOT abolished; just the name was changed to sharecropper with over 5 million Southern whites and 3 million Southern blacks working on land stolen by Wall Street bankers.

White, black, Indian, Hispanic, Protestant, Catholic and Jewish Confederates valiantly stood as one in thousands of battles on land and sea. Afterwards, they attended Confederate Veterans' reunions together and received pensions from Southern States.

Photos of black Confederate veterans may be seen in Alabama's Archives in Scrapbook – 41st Reunion of United Confederate Veterans, Montgomery, June 2,3,4 and 5, 1931."

Lincoln did not claim slavery was a reason even in his Emancipation Proclamations on Sept. 22, 1862, and Jan. 1, 1863. Moreover, Lincoln's proclamations exempted a million slaves under his control from being freed (including General U.S. Grant's four slaves) and offered the South three months to return to the Union (pay 40 percent sales tax) and keep their slaves. None did. Lincoln affirmed his only reason for issuing was: "as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said (tax) rebellion."

Mrs. Grant wrote in her personal memoirs: "We rented our pretty little home (in St. Louis) and hired out our four servants to persons whom we knew and who promised to be kind to them. Eliza, Dan, Julia and John belonged to me. When I visited the General during the War, I nearly always had Julia with me as nurse."

Lincoln declared war to collect taxes in his two presidential war proclamations against the Confederate States, on April 15 and 19th, 1861: "Whereas an insurrection against the Government of the United States has broken out and the laws of the United States for the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed therein."

On Dec. 25, 1860, South Carolina declared unfair taxes to be a cause of secession: "The people of the Southern States are not only taxed for the benefit of the Northern States, but after the taxes are collected, three-fourths (75%) of them are expended at the North (to subsidize Wall Street industries that elected Lincoln)." (Paragraphs 5-8)

It was on April 8, 1861, that Lincoln, alone, started the war by a surprise attack on Charleston Harbor with a fleet of warships, led by the USS Harriet Lane, to occupy Fort Sumter, a Federal tax collection fort in the territorial waters of South Carolina and then invaded Virginia.

On April 29, 1861, President Jefferson Davis described the South's response of self-defense in his Message To the Confederate States Congress: "I directed a proposal to be made to the commander of Fort Sumter that we would abstain from directing our fire on Fort Sumter if he would promise not to open fire on our forces unless first attacked. This proposal was refused." (Paragraphs 8-9)

The only reason the South ever gave for fighting was in self-defense of the voluntary Union of independent States, as symbolized then by the U.S. Flag.

Secession (withdrawal from a voluntary union) and war are two very different events.
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/06/war-over-slavery_rhetoric_is_i.html


The real reasons for anything are never found in any gubblemint regulated propaganda based school.

So any reasonable person would have to ask themselves, if Lincoln did not go to war over slavery how come everyone drank the koolaid?

How did this koolaid manage to get served to the public?

Begs the question since koolaid was served at such a massive level what do you know that is not koolaide?




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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 12:50:24 AM   
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First of all, the fact that blacks owned slaves didn't stop the abolitionist movement or render the argument moot....that the war was ultimately in fact fought over slavery. So if not, is one to believe that the war was fought over.....

.....property rights, the right to call a human being property and own [it] as chattel as a slave.

.....states rights. I.e., the right in my state to own a human being as chattel slaves.

.....a state's right to secede from the union. I.e., the right to leave one country to form another in order to own a human being as chattel slaves.

How about secede to form a monarchy ? Would that be a 'state' right ?

How about secede to form a communist govt. ? .....a state right ?

How about Texas and Pa. secede in the 20.'s to form untaxed oil monopolies ?

How about western states in the 1850's secede to form untaxed silver and gold monopolies ?

Yes, most of what the federal govt. tells us...is a lie but that has almost nothing to with the rest of your OP.


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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 1:02:11 AM   
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BUT:

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp


So the source is not good enough for you?


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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 1:08:13 AM   
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One might consult the actual declarations of secession if one wanted to know why they decided to withdraw from the union. They wrote nice little Dear John letters on the topic.

To be fair, they had a point. Article IV pretty clearly allowed slavery so it was the North who changed the rules mid-game. Granted, it's a morally bankrupt point but worth noting all the same.

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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 1:34:44 AM   
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quote:

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~FR~

Granted, it's a morally bankrupt point but worth noting all the same.



Yep! Tip of the iceburg though!


Bonded Labor

Bonded labor, also known as debt bondage and peonage, happens when people give themselves into slavery as security against a loan or when they inherit a debt from a relative. It can be made to look like an employment agreement but one where the worker starts with a debt to repay – usually in brutal conditions – only to find that repayment of the loan is impossible. Then, their enslavement becomes permanent.

Bonded labor is designed to exploit workers. The cyclical process begins with a debt, whether acquired or inherited, that cannot be paid immediately. Then, while the worker labors to repay the debt, the employer continues to add on additional expenses. For instance, a laborer may begin with an initial debt of $200. While working and unable to leave, this worker needs a shelter, food and water. The employer tacks on $25 per day to the debt to cover those expenses. Consequently, the employee only grows his debt while continuing to labor for his debtor, and repayment is impossible.

Oftentimes this debt is passed down from generation to generation, making it eerily similar to chattel slavery in the 18th and 19th centuries. It’s seen throughout the world when employers force the children of employees to labor in the same situation as their parents in order to help pay off their parents’ debt or when parents or family members pass away and employers require another body to fill the lost role – all under the pretense of a debt owed.

Bonded labor is used across a variety of industries in order to produce products for consumption around the world.
http://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/bonded-labor






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Debt bondage

Debt bondage (also known as debt slavery or bonded labor) is a person's pledge of their labor or services as security for the repayment for a debt or other obligation. The services required to repay the debt may be undefined, and the services' duration may be undefined. Debt bondage can be passed on from generation to generation.

Debt bondage has been described by the United Nations as a form of "modern day slavery" and the Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery seeks to abolish the practice.[1][2][3] Most countries are parties to the Convention, but the practice is still prevalent in South Asia.[1] Debt bondage in India was legally abolished in 1976 but remains prevalent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage



Nothing has changed except the words they use.

the gubblemint pledged yours and my labor and everything titled in our names as a mortgage against the debt. [notice I did not say everything you 'own', I said 'titled' because you own nothing in the sense you think of it, its all usufruct] All 'titles' have dual properties, equitable and legal, oh the web they weaved!

Did they ask any of us? Did any of us or our granny's or granpappy's get to vote on it?
Of course not.

We are known today as 'free range slaves'

and we accept that our gubmint made us into slaves as a way of life.

the old saying: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."








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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 1:43:01 AM   
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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 1:57:26 AM   
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most slaves were not chattel and slaves also had access to the courts.

More than 100 published materials on legal aspects of slavery are available on this website. These include 8,700 pages of court decisions and arguments, reports, proceedings, journals, and a letter. Most of the pamphlets and books pertain to American cases in the 19th century.

Additional documents address the slave trade, slave codes, the Fugitive Slave Law, and slave insurrections as well as presenting courtroom proceedings from famous trials such as the 18th-century Somerset v. Stewart case in England, the Amistad case, the Denmark Vesey conspiracy trial, and trials of noted abolitionists John Brown and William Lloyd Garrison. A special presentation discusses the slave code in the District of Columbia. Searchable by keyword, subject, author, and title, this site is valuable for studying legal history, African American history, and 19th-century American history. http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/website-reviews/14802


the above is the closest I could get to:

Slaves and the Courts, 1740-1860 - Collection Connections | Teacher ...
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Slaves and the Court, 1740-1860 includes approximately 100 documents (all published between 1772 and 1889) concerning legal issues confronted by African ...

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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 2:46:27 AM   
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Of course our history is skewed. History is merely a modified version of the truth to suit a judgment we wish to portray. Nothing surprises me anymore.

I know this is a bit off topic but its still to do with the lies and cover-ups we are still taught.

When I was researching my ancestry I came across a grt grandfather back in the early 1700s who had been put on a slave ship bound for America. He was white, he was Irish so was he just a paying passenger or was there something my history teacher had forgotten to mention?.

A little research shows white slavery was big business from the early 1600s to the late 1700s. White slaves were cheaper and so more disposable than black slaves and was big business from the early 1600s to the late 1700s. White slaves were cheaper and so more disposable than black slaves.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076


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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 4:38:52 AM   
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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 4:39:43 AM   
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Start of the civil war 1861
Abolition of slavery 1863

So the cause came two years after the effect ?

Having studied it a bit, I am sure they saw it coming. In fact even in the southern states there were abolitionists. But there was a hell of alot more going on they didn't like. Otherwise, why would the commoner fight for rich people to hold slaves rather than to hire them ?

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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 4:40:08 AM   
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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 5:01:00 AM   
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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 5:54:05 AM   
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So the source is not good enough for you or are you too fucking retarded to read?

Lincoln: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

This: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp
is a link, you click on it, then read, that is called a source.

Get your 5 year old to help and read it to you.




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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 5:56:06 AM   
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narf pinky has more going for him that RO ever had



and lucy is still all butthurt too.

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RE: Everything you know is a lie - 7/30/2016 5:57:57 AM   
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quote:

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Start of the civil war 1861
Abolition of slavery 1863

So the cause came two years after the effect ?

Having studied it a bit, I am sure they saw it coming. In fact even in the southern states there were abolitionists. But there was a hell of alot more going on they didn't like. Otherwise, why would the commoner fight for rich people to hold slaves rather than to hire them ?

T^T



The point is however that slavery was not the purpose for the war.








the 13th amendment before it magically disappeared had nothing to do wit slavery







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