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Awareness -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 9:05:12 AM)

I'm sure that face bothers many people.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 9:20:22 AM)


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Actually, NONE of it supports your argument at all.

After the initial blurb (which you like to reference to), every single one of them state that there IS a gender wage gap for identical and similar jobs.
The WSJ goes on to say that those in elite jobs have an even BIGGER wage gap than other professions.

Try reading everything in the links.

No, the first two basically say, "Women don't earn as much as men and here's why."

Like I said, they support my argument, not yours.

If women want to close the wage gap, they'll need to work a bit harder and start doing the dirty, dangerous jobs they currently leave to men.

Good grief, this shit ain't hard.


Ok. let's tackle this....


From my first link (wiki)....
At the end of the first paragraph it says: Various explanations for the remaining 25% to 40% have been suggested, including women's lower willingness and ability to negotiate salaries or else due to discrimination. According to the European Commission direct discrimination only explains a small part of gender wage differences.

From my second link (Fawcett Society)....
The current overall gap for full time workers is 13.9%.
That's a pretty damning statement to make.

Inside the link it says: Despite the Equal Pay Act 45 years ago, women still earn less than men in Britain today. The difference in pay between men and women remains the clearest and most dramatic example of inequality for women.
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Overall, women can expect to earn significantly less than men over their entire careers as a result of differences in caring responsibilities; clustering in low skilled and low paid work, the qualifications and skills women acquire; and outright discrimination

So yes, those factors you point out are part of the problem but they don't explain ALL of it.

So no, it hasn't been debunked at all.
There are still many discrepancies that are just pure discrimination and there IS a gender wage gap.


You are cherry-picking partial results and profering them as the complete explanation.
You're just plain wrong.




Awareness -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 9:48:22 AM)


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you repulse me like nobody else.
As opposed to other men who attract you?

I think this may prove to be a critical error on your part. Y'see, straight men don't talk like that. I have never heard a straight man talk about being "repulsed" by another man. That's how women and gay men talk. Women in particular, because they're intimately bound to the idea of female disapproval as a way of attempting to hurt men.

Now, given your obsession with feminism, given your hatred of the male gender, your constant mindless puff praise of any woman in sight, your clear inability to reason and your overwhelming addiction to ad hominem as a response to reasoned argument, it's become crystal clear what you are.

You, Peon, are a fake profile. There's no male mind behind your persona. You're a woman.

It's simply a question of which woman. Which of the damaged man-hating creatures here would be so invested in such things she'd create a fake profile to provide her with support to try and bolster her obsession with feminism?

TWEAKABELLE, COME ON DOWN!






Awareness -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 9:59:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Ok. let's tackle this....
Christ, I wish you had a mind capable of doing so. This is mind-numbingly tedious.

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From my first link (wiki)....
At the end of the first paragraph it says: Various explanations for the remaining 25% to 40% have been suggested, including women's lower willingness and ability to negotiate salaries or else due to discrimination. According to the European Commission direct discrimination only explains a small part of gender wage differences.
YES. WOMEN EARN 94% OF WHAT MEN DO, NOT 78% - AND THE REST IS BELIEVED TO BE DUE TO DIFFERENCES IN NEGOTIATING ABILITY. Quoting from your link "The remaining 6% of the gap has been speculated to originate from deficiency in salary negotiating skills and sexual discrimination".

THIS. SUPPORTS. MY. ARGUMENT. NOT. YOURS.

Christ, it's like dealing with village idiots on meth. You have no idea what you're doing, but you do it with insane levels of enthusiasm.

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From my second link (Fawcett Society)....
The current overall gap for full time workers is 13.9%.
That's a pretty damning statement to make.
No, it's not. It completely fails to consider job choice, number of hours worked or any of the other major differences between men and women in their approach to their jobs.

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Inside the link it says: Despite the Equal Pay Act 45 years ago, women still earn less than men in Britain today. The difference in pay between men and women remains the clearest and most dramatic example of inequality for women.
And further -
Overall, women can expect to earn significantly less than men over their entire careers as a result of differences in caring responsibilities; clustering in low skilled and low paid work, the qualifications and skills women acquire; and outright discrimination
Yes and at this point, it's descended into complete propaganda. As is usual with British leftist propaganda, it is absent evidence. And if I were going down the leftist route, I'd point out that the Fawcett Society is one of those same feminist organisations responsible for spreading this misinformation in the first place. As usual, without any fucking evidence whatsoever.

If quoting feminist propaganda is your idea of evidence, you must be... well... a fucking feminist.

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So yes, those factors you point out are part of the problem but they don't explain ALL of it.
There's no problem. Women don't deserve the same pay as men when they're not working as hard, they're getting other benefits aside from money and they don't want to do the risky jobs or the jobs requiring high levels of education and training. To bring women's pay into line with men's, you'd have to pay them more than their male peers for the same work.

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So no, it hasn't been debunked at all.
Yes. It has. Comprehensively.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 10:47:15 AM)


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Ok. let's tackle this....
Christ, I wish you had a mind capable of doing so. This is mind-numbingly tedious.

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From my first link (wiki)....
At the end of the first paragraph it says: Various explanations for the remaining 25% to 40% have been suggested, including women's lower willingness and ability to negotiate salaries or else due to discrimination. According to the European Commission direct discrimination only explains a small part of gender wage differences.
YES. WOMEN EARN 94% OF WHAT MEN DO, NOT 78% - AND THE REST IS BELIEVED TO BE DUE TO DIFFERENCES IN NEGOTIATING ABILITY. Quoting from your link "The remaining 6% of the gap has been speculated to originate from deficiency in salary negotiating skills and sexual discrimination".

THIS. SUPPORTS. MY. ARGUMENT. NOT. YOURS.

Christ, it's like dealing with village idiots on meth. You have no idea what you're doing, but you do it with insane levels of enthusiasm.

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From my second link (Fawcett Society)....
The current overall gap for full time workers is 13.9%.
That's a pretty damning statement to make.
No, it's not. It completely fails to consider job choice, number of hours worked or any of the other major differences between men and women in their approach to their jobs.

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Inside the link it says: Despite the Equal Pay Act 45 years ago, women still earn less than men in Britain today. The difference in pay between men and women remains the clearest and most dramatic example of inequality for women.
And further -
Overall, women can expect to earn significantly less than men over their entire careers as a result of differences in caring responsibilities; clustering in low skilled and low paid work, the qualifications and skills women acquire; and outright discrimination
Yes and at this point, it's descended into complete propaganda. As is usual with British leftist propaganda, it is absent evidence. And if I were going down the leftist route, I'd point out that the Fawcett Society is one of those same feminist organisations responsible for spreading this misinformation in the first place. As usual, without any fucking evidence whatsoever.

If quoting feminist propaganda is your idea of evidence, you must be... well... a fucking feminist.

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So yes, those factors you point out are part of the problem but they don't explain ALL of it.
There's no problem. Women don't deserve the same pay as men when they're not working as hard, they're getting other benefits aside from money and they don't want to do the risky jobs or the jobs requiring high levels of education and training. To bring women's pay into line with men's, you'd have to pay them more than their male peers for the same work.

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So no, it hasn't been debunked at all.
Yes. It has. Comprehensively.

Oh FFS A.
Can't you fucking READ????

The Wiki article says.. the remaining 25% to 40%
Go learn to fucking READ.

All the articles vary but they go between 13.9% and 21%.


I'm done with your ignorance.




PeonForHer -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 11:12:14 AM)


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Ad hominem, you pitiful excuse for a man. You're unable to argue, so behaving like a fucking girl is your only response.

I don't think you understand. I don't give a flying fuck what you think about me. Your incompetence is demonstrated on an ongoing basis by your complete and utter failure to counter any argument with which you're confronted.

Look, it's okay - you can ask for assistance with the bits you don't understand. I'm a patient teacher.


A, look, to make this perfectly clear:

I've known people who've been able to run rings around me intellectually. I've mixed with lots of them, in fact. But none of them, not one, in all the decades I've been doing what I do, has taken the attitude nor adopted the tone that you consistently take. They've never been anything but polite. You, on the other hand, can't get through a post without pouring as much scorn as possible on the person to whom you're talking. Your aggressiveness; your obsessive need to belittle ... it just makes talking to you an ugly, unpleasant experience.

Why would I bother? What's in it for me?

I might have put up with it, for a short while, if you'd asked questions or made points that made it worthwhile. But you don't do either. You ask gobsmackingly facile questions like 'Why is there a need for feminism, when there's already a movement for equality?' and you make points, like that of the 'one true Scotsman' without, apparently, the slightest realisation of how much of a beginner's point it is nor what it could imply beyond the blindingly obvious.

And when I've responded ... you've always made it abundantly clear that you're not hear to listen or understand. You're here to 'win a competition'. When I get tired of this and begin to ignore you, you triumphantly claim victory, while not - of course - losing the opportunity of braying about what a coward I am for not continuing.

But I can't see any point in continuing. It would be the forum-equivalent of a competition to see which one of us can throw the largest number of dog-turds at the other. We're both going to end up dirty and smelly and I, for one, don't like that feeling and see no benefit from it.

You say you don't care what I think of you. Fine. I don't need you to. But if you can't learn this - this most fundamental thing about debating - you'll end up with just your own ego to debate with.

Ratchet it down, mate. Seriously. It's doing you no good.





Aylee -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 11:33:05 AM)

~Fast Reply~

10 pages on who pays for a date? Wow.

I could understand 16 year olds discussing this. . . but . . . adults?


Unless otherwise specified, the person who asks, pays.

If a person is not going to ask another out because of the fear of paying. . . well. . . you probably do not want to go out with them anyways.




WhoreMods -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 11:36:16 AM)

Sadly, I think most of the last fifteen pages of the thread is more concerned with pissing and moaning from idiots who think that if they paid for the date and don't get their end away afterwards, then they've been swindled.
Sixteen year olds would probably have more class than to whine and scream about like that like a toddler who needs their nappy changing...




sloguy02246 -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 1:46:46 PM)


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Ad hominem, you pitiful excuse for a man.



The irony is absolutely incredible.




LaTigresse -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 3:22:07 PM)


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Ad hominem, you pitiful excuse for a man.



The irony is absolutely incredible.


Indeed.




respectmen -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 5:41:06 PM)

In regards of pay gap as what's been discussed in this thread.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/13/studies-find-pay-gap-between-lesbians-and-straight-women/

The feminazis either ignore this or make up some BS story.




Aylee -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 6:37:02 PM)


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Ad hominem, you pitiful excuse for a man.



The irony is absolutely incredible.


Indeed.



LaT! You're alive! How have you been?




Awareness -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 9:44:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
A, look, to make this perfectly clear:
To make things clear would require you to construct a thought and express it coherently. Given this is a task which you've yet to complete successfully, I'm not holding out any hope.

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I've known people who've been able to run rings around me intellectually.
Well, that's to be expected, given your position on the bell curve.

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I've mixed with lots of them, in fact. But none of them, not one, in all the decades I've been doing what I do, has taken the attitude nor adopted the tone that you consistently take. They've never been anything but polite. You, on the other hand, can't get through a post without pouring as much scorn as possible on the person to whom you're talking. Your aggressiveness; your obsessive need to belittle ... it just makes talking to you an ugly, unpleasant experience.
Ye Gods, you're a stupid little man.

A) Online dialogue suffers from the online disinhibition effect. Which makes practically everybody on this forum into an unpleasant fucking turd. Including you. So I find your complaints about my attitude hypocritical at best and downright delusional at worst.

B) Part of the problem here is that you suffer from a massive case of gnostic knowledge. You think holding the right opinions based upon the right indoctrination is the key to winning any argument. That's an approach so fundamentally opposed to reason that it belittles any pretensions you might have to competence.

C) Another part is that you're a product of a class-based society. Your attitude is replete with the idea that "one shouldn't argue with one's betters" - a pompous arrogance which Australians like myself have been pricking for nearly a hundred years. You're a petulant windbag asking to be taken down a peg and I have no compunction about doing exactly that. Your sputtering, incoherent responses are just the icing on the cake.

D) There's no connection between intelligence and grace. Who you fucking know and how they've acted in a social setting is completely fucking irrelevant. Whatever point you're trying to make is lost under the weight of fallacious non-thought you're using to make it.

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Why would I bother? What's in it for me?
Oh, that's clear - you're obsessed. Duh.

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I might have put up with it, for a short while, if you'd asked questions or made points that made it worthwhile. But you don't do either. You ask gobsmackingly facile questions like 'Why is there a need for feminism, when there's already a movement for equality?'
No, you fucking moron, I don't ask questions (and I've certainly never asked that one), I make statements. I put forward propositions which you're too incompetent to counter, so your response is invariably, "the secret feminist knowledge says you're wrong" - which is just basic lunacy on your part.

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and you make points, like that of the 'one true Scotsman' without, apparently, the slightest realisation of how much of a beginner's point it is nor what it could imply beyond the blindingly obvious.
Don't be stupid. If it was that elementary, you'd counter it with argument - except you can't because:

A) I'm right.

B) You're not - as I've pointed out before - remotely competent at the arguing thing. You have no idea how to even begin to construct an argument and it's fucking tedious watching you flail away while desperately trying to avoid having to do so.

I'll give you this: You sure as shit know if you tried that you'd have your ass handed to you. Your avoidance of logic and reason is astoundingly consistent.

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And when I've responded ... you've always made it abundantly clear that you're not hear to listen or understand. You're here to 'win a competition'. When I get tired of this and begin to ignore you, you triumphantly claim victory, while not - of course - losing the opportunity of braying about what a coward I am for not continuing.
Your only response is the assertion of nonsense without a trace of logic, reason or evidence to back it up. To you, feminism is a religious belief which cannot be questioned. This makes you nothing less than a fanatic.

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But I can't see any point in continuing. It would be the forum-equivalent of a competition to see which one of us can throw the largest number of dog-turds at the other. We're both going to end up dirty and smelly and I, for one, don't like that feeling and see no benefit from it.
I'll believe it when I see it. You're like an Islamic fundamentalist who cannot tolerate any criticism of his Holy Prophet. You're unable to tolerate any criticism - no matter how well founded - of your holy feminist religion. Your entire opposition to criticism is based on dogmatic assertion of what I will - with charity - describe as "utter fucking nonsense".

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You say you don't care what I think of you. Fine. I don't need you to. But if you can't learn this - this most fundamental thing about debating - you'll end up with just your own ego to debate with.
Dude, what the FUCK do you think you know about debating? You are utterly crap at it. You assert indefensible idiocy as axiomatic then act as though I have a problem because I don't agree with your axioms. The reason I don't agree with your axioms is that they're fucking cross-eyed badger sputum.

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Ratchet it down, mate. Seriously. It's doing you no good.
Oh for fuck's sake, lift your game. I'm not dropping my IQ down to your level just to make things easy for you. If you can't keep up, that's entirely your own problem.




Awareness -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/9/2016 9:46:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Ad hominem, you pitiful excuse for a man.



The irony is absolutely incredible.


Indeed.


Say "pitiful" and look who appears.

It's like magic.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/10/2016 12:20:23 AM)




BeetleJuice! BeetleJuice! BeetleJuice!

On another note: This is about right



Michael




stef -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/10/2016 1:57:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse


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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Ad hominem, you pitiful excuse for a man.



The irony is absolutely incredible.


Indeed.


He's running neck and neck with Sanity for Most Ironic Username Ever.




tweakabelle -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/10/2016 3:09:26 AM)


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.... Australians like myself have been ....

You don't speak for Australians. We disown you.

You're a resident of the US and, as far as this Australian is concerned, the US is more than welcome to you and your (ahem) unique personal characteristics.

The US should suit you - the country is just about large enough to accommodate your ego (at a squeeze), and so far away from Sydney that it's impossible to hear your voice, no matter how loudly you shout.




Awareness -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/10/2016 5:51:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

.... Australians like myself have been ....

You don't speak for Australians. We disown you.
Irony alert! I don't speak for Australians, but you do?

Hello Chubster. It's good to see you waddling about again. Your chances of avoiding heart disease, diabetes and cancer just went up. Now try moving along a path that doesn't include the fridge, the couch and the car.




tweakabelle -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/10/2016 6:49:55 AM)

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.... Australians like myself have been ....

You don't speak for Australians. We disown you.
Irony alert! I don't speak for Australians, but you do?

Your chances of avoiding heart disease, diabetes and cancer just went up.

Hilarious! A 250 lb collection of frustrated testosterone and greasy fat is now dispensing health advice! As if anyone would listen .....

But that't the thing about you isn't it? You are so enraptured by your own voice and ego that you don't realise there's no one listening, no one who takes your advice, even in the very rare event that it's well intentioned. But hey what does it matter when you can console yourself by listening to your favourite sound - yourself blattering on about something you invariably know little or nothing about. .... or abusing those you imagine (wish!) are lesser mortals sent to try you.




Awareness -> RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates (8/10/2016 11:34:10 AM)

Now now, Chubster, don't hate. One day you'll get down to 250 if you work at it for a few years. You can do it! I believe in you!




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