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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

when you ever come up with something cogent, topical, factual, and of value, I will let you know, until then your world is not the real world.

Go get em, mad hatter.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I am not defending anything, she did nothing that caused those deaths.

You lack any facts, you could be an american nutsucker.

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ORIGINAL: igor2003
It's true that Hillary made a mistake in judgment, and people lost their lives. But what she did pales in comparison to the outright idiocy and stupidity of G.W. B. and the THOUSANDS of lives his "judgment" cost.

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And for you to say that what she did, ". . .versus, a man who simply show concern whether a Muslim woman was oppressed by her husband," is about as disingenuous as you can be . . . like that was Trumps only fault or something.

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I can show you page after page of Trumps lies and deceit. I can show you where he hired workers on his multi-million dollar buildings, then refused to pay them, only because he knew they couldn't afford to fight him in court. I can show you where he lied to people and took hundreds of thousands of dollars of their money as "down payment" to build a condominium for them to live in...then reneged on the deal and didn't give their money back.

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The guy is a lying, cheating, bastard, and the idea that a megalomaniac like him might some day have any kind of control over atomic weapons scares the shit out of me. It isn't only the U.S. that needs to worry about that. He could literally be the cause of the entire worlds destruction, and that includes YOU.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

What a fucking sleazeball.

How dare he.

I saw on the internet yesterday where a veteran wrote an open letter to Trump about service and sacrifice. And pointed out the number of deferrals Trump got so he didn't have to serve (something like four?).

We have veterans and people who have lost loved ones in while service on this board. It's a deeply personal experience, and I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to comment on it, same as I wouldn't expect every mother like Khan to speak up about it. But I am surprised that there isn't at least a little more outrage over his comments.

Whether you know it or not, I'm one of the people that you referenced in the above quote. I feel that qualifies me to comment on your comment.

" ... a deeply personal experience ..." doesn't even begin to tell the tale.

First off, it's actually "public". Believe it or not, society "expects" us to act a certain way, especially those of us that fall into both categories you mentioned and I highlighted. You're expected to deal with the V.A. a certain way. You're expected to maintain some level of composure, during the wake and funeral. You're expected to "handle all the affairs". You're expected not to speak out directly against the government that wasted your loved one's service and life and then, lie about their service to the American people.

Secondly, people handle loss differently, obviously which makes the expectations I mentioned in the previous paragraph a bit tricky. Those expectations are not likely to be fore-most in one's mind in that situation.

I lost my son almost four years ago. Had you asked me, after six months, if "time heals all wounds", I'd have told you to shove your head up your ass. Conversely, that doesn't mean that everything is "all better". I still get a little fucked up, emotionally on his birthday and the anniversary of his death.

So, a bit more to the topic:

Donald fucked up, royally, but not the way some people are saying.

In the ABC interview I saw, he neglected to acknowledge the pain of the Khan family which, politically, is a mitigating factor to the "damage" their statement did. What do I mean? Well, if I had been asked, by the RNC to come and speak about how the policies of Dumbo Ears and the anti-Christ had played a part in the death of my son, I would have gladly done so. I would also expect Mrs. Bill Clinton not only to lie, but to "dismiss" my statement because of the emotion involved.

His mention of Mrs. Khan's possible non-permission to speak is fair game because of what we know about Muslim (and Indian) society and because of her decision to appear, publicly. Like it or not, the Khans' appearance was not only a personal decision, but a political one.

I know, still a bit confusing. I saw a report, later, about a tweet from Trump that went along the lines of how my initial reaction went. I will give what I thought his statement should have been and it paraphrases the tweet to which I refer:

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The heartbreak of this family is immeasurable and my heart goes out to them, but I will not address their 'attack' on me.

The real issue, here, is our battle against the Jihadi scumbags who seem to think it's their destiny to destroy us and the idiotic politicians who not only make irrational decisions to get involved in issues which don't concern us, but who ignore the advice of people that actual know what they're doing (military commanders) and, by doing so, increase the risk to our sons and daughters (and husbands and wives and mothers and fathers) in uniform. Let's start discussing those issues. Shall we?

Michael

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Michael, I cannot even imagine the loss that you have suffered. I look at my own son sometimes and wonder how I would feel if I lost him, and just the abstract idea of it is more than I can handle. The reality of it would be beyond anything that I can imagine.

Thank you for your and your son's service, and the sacrifices you both made. Peace be with you and those you love.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Michael, I cannot even imagine the loss that you have suffered. I look at my own son sometimes and wonder how I would feel if I lost him, and just the abstract idea of it is more than I can handle. The reality of it would be beyond anything that I can imagine.

Thank you for your and your son's service, and the sacrifices you both made. Peace be with you and those you love.

Thank you, very much for your kind words.

Don't think for a minute that I didn't spend some time, blaming myself for his death because of how he was raised. His mom certainly still does.

That said, the only true comfort I have found is that he wasn't conscripted. He made a choice; a choice from which I constantly tried dissuade him. He didn't believe in the mission of the military, per se (especially the one in which he was engaged), but he felt that serving was what he was called to do.

The last time we spoke, I gave him my usual 30 minutes on how he was getting too old for his chosen M.O.S.; that he should consider joining the cadre. Stay states-side. Give his experience and expertise to the cause in that way. Now that I think about it, I guess I do blame myself for not being more persuasive.

Anyway, that was very nice of you to say.

I want to re-iterate that while I believe Donald fucked up, in this situation, I would have expected no less from the left if I had been asked to speak at the RNC because that is a decision to lend my voice and my sympathies to a political event/statement.

The Khans were asked to become a focal point for (a part of) the anti-Christ's message. One has to imagine some blow-back. Did everyone miss how Ms. Smith was treated by the left, after she spoke at the RNC? Oh, that's right. The PPL media didn't cover it. They talked over it from their booths. Not that there's any bias or anything.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

If this had been mentioned about a white american purple heart hero you would all be going apeshit over the disrespect to goldstar families.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Trump made her into "Less"